Pervez Musharraf and India Pakistan Rapproachment

Pathetic tahmed,

I have said that several times, I am on chowk to do some paki-bashing, more so because there is nothing in common. I have said before, pakistanis are only homo-erectus and have not reached the homo sapien status, as evidenced by the law and order situation in pakistan and no one is complaining about it.

Today india has written off 15 billion of farmers loans while for a mere 1 billion a year, teh pak army is killing their own citizens with helicopter gunships in waziristan. The paki mind is no different from that of homo erctus, pakistanis appear to be human, they are bipeds that is all, and hence no similarity in terms of values with the indians.

Now please please do not come back with how handsome the paki are story.

Another fundamental indo apk difference

from dawn of today

Underlying the wheat crisis is the second deficit with respect to the erosion of the integrity of economic data. The fact is that the position of the director-general of the Federal Bureau of Statistics (FBS) – the country’s principal data collection agency – has been left vacant since June 2003, raising questions across the board about the accuracy of data. Allegedly, the absence of the organisation’s head allowed senior finance ministry officials to pressure lower ranking FBS officials into doctoring the data.

Allegedly again, it is understood that the regime’s fetish with showing high GDP growth rates led it to ‘demand’ that output figures be padded upwards somewhat. Accordingly, it appears that while food ministry officials ‘prepared’ the estimates of wheat output, commerce ministry officials — unaware of the extent of the padding – used the estimates to allow export of wheat. The shortage signals that went out in the market from the belated realisation that initial announcement of a bumper crop were incorrect laid the basis for the crisis to erupt.

#242 Posted by jayp,

india has written off 15 billion of farmers loans

So the commies whacking monkey cops by the dozens has had some effect. Good. Soon you'll have to write ALL of them off.

But bhindia is the only weird place where 70% of the populace gets 2.6% of economic growth while the balance gets 9%. So this 15 billion is a nice lollypop which may keep the rural bhindis quiet for a while.

beyond-pathetic jayp #241 "I have said that several times,I am on chowk to do some paki-bashing, .."

And I have said several times that writing crap on chowk is not "bashing". Although for the measly little man that you probably are, this is the closest you can come to bashing anyone other than your patni jee. :-)

"..more so because there is nothing in common. "

and thank God for that.

anil #231 do you recall when you wrote that article? or have a link to it?

#243 Posted by zeemax on March 1, 2008 1:38:54 am


still stand by 2010? or it's now sooner or later?

Re: # 243

I don't know the mechanics behind calculating GDP. What I can tell you is, whatever output the rural population provides is grossly undervalued. For egs, the produce of farmers cannot be priced by him. He does not have the liberty of costing and spelling out the margin. Adding to the market volatility that decides the commodity prices, there are restrictions on transporting the produce from one state to another. In short, the farmer does not decide where to sell and the price. In a way the farmers subsidize the lives of the rest of the population. When onion prices skyrocketed, farmers stood to gain. The then Vajpayee government promptly banned the export of onions. Farmers gulped this as they need no propitiation.

Sorry if you were looking for a riposte.

Re: # 247

Fyi, the rural population of India has a better personal disposable income than others.

The grapes were sour AND poisonous...

Kashmir issue can wait: Zardari

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ISLAMABAD: In a major shift from Pakistan's long-standing position, PPP co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari, whose party is set to take reins of the country, has expressed readiness to set aside the Kashmir issue to focus on other aspects for improving relations with India.

He emphasised that the relations between India and Pakistan should not be held "hostage" to the Kashmir issue and that the two countries "can wait" so that future generations resolve the dispute in a mature manner in an atmosphere of "trust".

In views reflecting India's position, Zardari said he was determined to break the barriers and mindsets that deter trade between the two countries.

"The idea is that we feel for Kashmir, the PPP (Pakistan People's Party) has always felt for Kashmir. We have a strong Kashmir policy. We have always had one," he said.

"But having said that, we don't want to be hostage to that situation. That is a situation we can agree to disagree (on). Countries do, we have positions, you have positions. We can agree to disagree on everything," he said in a television interview.

Noting that India and Pakistan could "agree to disagree on (the UN resolutions)," he said "We can wait. We can be patient till everybody grows up further. Maybe the coming generation grows up even further and then let's interact as human beings and come to a position of love."

Re: # 245

Tahmed sahib:

This is the article:

http://www.chowk.com/articles/4913

Believe it or not last year I got an email from someone in Gauhati, who wrote that he had class discussions and this article was used in discussions. Chowk is read beyond what I thought.

vengatraman:

"I don't know the mechanics behind calculating GDP"

Unless the procedure has changed, the output is estimated by a sampling method and multiplied by the price of the commodity in the base year (to avoid the effects of any changes in prices).

#251 Posted by dost_mittar on March 1, 2008 5:39:30 pm

sheesh..haven't people heard of this thing called google..

http://www.mindtools.net/GlobCourse/formula.shtml

Let me give you an important factoid(researched by my pakistani friend, the one with whom I watch sa-re-ga-ma)

here's how the paki dictatorship screwed the paki twice over..

first, shortcut aziz faked wheat production numbers to boost the GDP numbers..this was done because india was on a tear at 9+% and pakiland was barely at 7%(with 10% inflation)

the fake GDP growth numbers were used to justify the continuation of the dictatorship.

the paki government is kinda like capt clueless...they fall for their own BS..they allowed the export of wheat based on the fake output numbers.

pakiland had a wheat shortage...inflation for the poorest touched 20%...

Zee 243,

The post was to indicate what happens in india and what the politicians have to do in response to public demands.

Take the case of pakistan, no political party said anything about law and order, nothing about price rises, nothing about mush cooking GDP books. No protests about any of the above, but one stupid cartoon in sweden is a major protest topic through out pakistan. The paost was to point to teh fundamental differences in pak values. At times you all talk about roti kapda makan for pakis, well it is a simple elitist creation by the chokies, who have enough of all that, a transposition of western values on to the pakis, while in fact they are more concerned about religion and supporting jihad.

So leave the content of my post, focus on teh underlying value difference.

Zardari is talking about indo pak trade, that is irrelevant, cutting the military budget is important, but he will not mention it.

All of pakistanis talk about re-appointing the sacked judges. They miss the point that of paki legal system and judgements can vary so mush between a mushy appointed judge and a Zardari appointed judge, well there is no legal system in pakistan that is worth restoring. No one, not even a single paki on chowk dares to address the fundamental issue, why should the legal system be so dependant on the personalities of the judges. If mushy can change the entire legal system by changing a few judges, well paki lawyers can curl up and die in shame.

Dost ,

Hvae you ever heard of an all pakistan protest against price rises, against wheat shortage, against corruption, against electricity shortage.

One when TNT is involved, a danish man in pak soil, a lone danish ambassador, well he has to be kicked out. MAJ, you are still alive and kicking the hell of out of the second, of the two nation theory.

Feb 29, 2008 07:41 EST

KARACHI, Feb 29 (Reuters) - Protesters in Pakistan called on Friday for ties with Denmark to be severed over the republication of one of several cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad that led to violence in Muslim countries two years ago.

Rallies were held in Karachi, Quetta, Multan, Hyderbabad, and the capital, Islamabad, where protesters shouted slogans against Denmark and burned U.S. and Danish flags.

"The Danish ambassador should be expelled and Pakistan should immediately end diplomatic ties with that country," Abdul Gafoor Nadeem, an activist of a militant group, told a gathering of about 700 people in Karachi.

#253 Posted by jayp,

Restoration of the SAME judges (personalities) is inextricably linked to future independence of judiciary. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron and a peon of the west (where's masadi?)

Re your other point "paki legal system and judgements can vary so much between a mushy appointed judge and a Zardari appointed judge|", the formula under consideration to be adopted is the US one where any appointee/nominee is approved by a congressional committee. In Pakistan's case it is proposed to be a combined Parliamentary/Senate Committee.

But of-course you don't know that. Details don't help in the monkey circle jerk!!!

Re: # 253 Mr Z wants to wash of hands on Kashmir for trade it appears. The India china dialogue is useless for liberation of Kashmir is not "accounting" problem of Baniyas its about liberation and letting child revert to her mother country from kidnapper.
Now please do not forget still general is head of state who wants the problem tackled and not go on discussion for ever but give and take and finishing of business statred in 1947. Now the Govt is presenting presidents govt so K problem can not be put under cover like NRO or corrouption and white washing of 1.5 Billion dollars stacked all over world. Politicians will sell part of country if it helps them to get elected. No party will survive without supporting Kashmir struggle in words but by action and proactive offensive tactics.