Reinterpretation of Islam in Turkey

Re: # 177

I agree with you, as long as we hide behind God there is very little hope. Then again, its a question of what comes first the egg or chicken. Maybe, Pakistan needs a loose federation where competition for the grand prize (Isloo) becomes a non-issue and basic issues for the abduls become important.

Re: # 173

rf,

... that is why nobody seems to be really keen about forming the government in the center alone ..... they want everyone to share in the blame when they fail....

.........i feel bad for the poor politicians, but they remind me of a dog chasing a car down the street - now that they have caught it, they don't know what to do with it .......... i wouldn't be surprised if they start blaming musharraf for rigging the elections in their favor and try to hand back the government to him ! .....

rf, grass roots doesn't work in the muslim world. The concept is antithetical to islam. how can an ordinary abdul question god?

Re: # 174

Problems facing Pakistan are beyond any Messiah, we need political process from a grass root level, not this superimposed process.

Re: # 172

ajeya,

.... i agree with you .... and the reason is because we want to model our government after the state of mecca and the rule of the abominanble four ......... both set a bad precedent ........

rf: Bingo...

Nothing will change because when you are mandated to wait for a messiah, only a dictator comes close. everything else is uncivilized

Re: # 167

Anil,

Question was no directed in my direction but allow me to interject.

Political parties of Pakistan have very little control over events unfolding, establishment is still very active seeking completion of its agenda. At the same time, forces opposing status quo (Jihadists) are flexing their muscles through suicide bombings. Therefore, its a very difficult situation for politicians who are threatened from establishment and the extremists.

Pakistan faces serious political issues such as religious extremism that has mutated into suicide bombings, American (western) concerns regarding terrorism and nuclear proliferation, Baloch struggle for freedom and rise of ethnic divisions within the federation.

On the economic front, growth has stalled and inflation is in double digits and rising with no easy solutions in sight.

In summary, this will be no cake walk for any political party or army dictator. In hindsight, it seems the army has done the smart thing by passing the buck to these poor desperate politicians. Let them take the heat and blame for the next wave of economic/political turmoil.

We will have to wait and see what happens next, most probably this honeymoon period will soon come to an end and our politicians will do what they do best, blame and malign each other. As for the poor people of Pakistan, they can only hope and pray for a better day.

#166 hamidm2

[... zardari seems to be like a deer caught in the headlights .....nawaz is not performing a whole lot better - let's see what happens ... ]

There is no need to wait. WHY do you think that even Turkey, which is directly next to Europe, has to have an elitist army propping up it's "secular" democracy, while a huge and unwieldy country like India, with massive problems of unemployment, illiteracy, and wonderful neighbors, is still able to be democratic?

Unless you have your head in the sand, I think you will know the reason.

There will NEVER be any meaningful democracy in a Muslim-majority country.

Never has been. Never will be. Stop kidding yourself.

Re: # 163

Zeemax,

Your information regarding Zardari visit to Abu Dhabi is factually incorrect. He did not meet SH Nahyan who is the minister of higher education as you have stated. As for the cooking part, that is correct. Mr Zardari made his presentation to the top honchos and is conveying official messages and seeking support from old friends. At the same time, he is asking friends to stop sending those millions of dollars for NS & Co. It is speculated that the Saudis pumped US$50MM into NS campaign and Zardari/PPP feel that this lopsided support does not augur well for future politics. And, yes Zardari/PPP are not yet comfortable with the Punjabi politician as they fear repeat of 1988-90.

By the way, next PM is going to be from Punjab...southern. Poocho tho janaein...

Good morning, Tahmed Sahib:

I am going hedge this time, and not choose a side. Last time I chose Hamidm Sahib, and had concede before he would on Musharraff.

Although, I feel Zeemax Sahib is more mainstream among three of you.

Would you and Hamidm Sahib agree with me on this?

Greetings Anil. Perhaps you can tell me what I am missing in the distinction mentioned in #168. Hamidm isnt explaining it quite well.

hamidm #165 I am merely confirming what you said about the Chief Justice. That puts no strain on my physique, rest assured. All you are now doing is changing your words but still refusing to differentiate between a man who attacks the constitution to keep his job and a man who defends the constitution at the cost of his job.

Re: # 161

Hamidm Sahib:

It is absorbing to watch three of you - you, Tahmed Sahib, and Zeemax Sahib - debate. It seems three of you cannot agree on anything except - Hum Pakistani and Hum Muslim.

All three of you, please tell me who do you think will benefit from this great opportunity Pakistani Awam has gifted to its leaders, or will they squander it?

Re: # 163

zeemax,

.... i agree with you but you can never tell what a paki politician is thinking ... zardari seems to be like a deer caught in the headlights .....nawaz is not performing a whole lot better - let's see what happens ... i don't think zardari trusts pml-n to support him from 'outside' and thinks that nawaz will call for new elections as soon as possible .......

Re: # 164

tahmed,

... stop wetting your depends! .... all i said was that the droopy-eyed one will have to wait in line behind those who refused to take oath in 2000 ..... people keep on forgetting that he was part of musharraf's illegal set-up before finding religion ....

#162 hamidm: so your response to my question in #160 ("would you choose to claim that evil will prevail anyway, and in any case there is no difference between a man who attacks the Constitution to preseve his job and the man who defends the Constitution at the cost of his job and house arrest for himself, his wife and daughters?) is.."yes, and in fact the latter belongs in a freak show".

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