Reinterpretation of Islam in Turkey

Re: # 95

Just to move you guys along from this shit-eating stuff, may be I can draw you guys some nice diagrams of the "life cycles" of various worms etc.. They have humans as "intermediary hosts", for their life cycles to be complete; in essence, the only reason they continue to exist is NOT "bacteria in the air" like you suggested earlier, but "direct Faeco-oral transmission".

Needless to say they are prevenlent and part of life living in the muslim world (which happens to becoming increasingly synonymous with "the third world").

We are meant to be talking about Re-interpretation of Islam; Please refer back to No: 32; I have nothing more to say on that.

Re: # 89

Hamidm Sahib:

"...i am sure you have eaten worse stuff - frog legs, snails (escargot), caviar (yuck!), sheep brain and testicles (kapooray), stomach (ojri, tripe), force fed goose liver pate, gujranwala sparrows and seoul puppy ..."

You eat and call "...have eaten worse stuff..." What is so machoism about it?

Accept my advise, become a vegetarian. You will never have to call ".... have eaten worse stuff....", and you will be healthier too. Delights of vegetarian eating.

Re: # 98

I'd second that!

Hamidm, I think incorporating another poor animal into the human food chain isn't necessarily going to to do much for the poor pig's case; I do take your point though about breaking taboos. (#32)

Yes Gil Sahib, Challenging the whole concept of god is exactly the way to go; once we sort him out, there is nothing else to "re-interpret". Its going back to "first principles" or "back to the basics" stuff..

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Re: # 99

anil mian,

.... are you a vegetarian ?...... if you are, i don't have anything to say to you ........ i do not trust people who don't meat ... in my book (if i had one) they are worse than ahmedis, jews and the taliban ! ...... fascists, if you ask me .....

.... sorry, but i cannot communicate with you any more .... i thought you were a nice guy inspite of being a horrible hindoo, but now i feel let down ..... a vegetarian ! .... what the heck do you eat - aaloo gobi one day and gobi aloo the next ? .... man is at the top of the food chain - that's what separates him from sheep and cattle ..... you eat what you are .... anil, you are a sheep ! .. damn! ... what a waste of a perfectly good hindoo ....

Eat what you like; just don't get upset. Even up to a year ago, I used to say exactly that.

Then I realised that there is nothing special about humans; we are all evolved animals, just differently evolved, that is all! This idea of "Ashraf-ul-makhlookaat" in the Koran, or "I have given MAN dominion over other living beings" in the Bible are the reason we think the way we think.

Wether we like it or not, religion and us go back a long way!

Re: # 94 Posted by hamidm2 on March 2, 2008 11:00:36 am

hamid,

[... whispering the kalima in his ear..] so the pig should know arabic? what if this pig does not understand the strange words?

Re: # 101

Hamidm Sahib:

In my vegetarian diet, I also throw in indian style chicken tikka kebab, iranian style kobideh, and chinese schezuan style shrimps, string beans with beef to my diet. Oh I was tricked into eating frog legs in Taiwan, and enjoyed it too, till my Chinese host told me that I was eating frog legs.

Zeeman sahib, here, is ripping you apart. After all you and I endured Romairs insults on our support for Musharraff. Someone who could not see his good friend suffer, prompted me to suggest.

Just think, a vegetarian pathan, and a thinking pathan on top. No one can call you heeng eating hindoo.

Re: # 35

zeemax

Yih to aap ne pig ka 'nijaspan' ka bataya he. Kia aap ke khayaal mein 'nijaspan' aur 'harram' ham-mehni hein? Harram to phir masjid bhi he, insan bhi, aur purest of the liquids, shirab bhi. To kia woh sab bhi nijas hein?

For your information the root of 'harram' is 'hurmat', as far as I know Arabic. Its a very tricky term which cannot perhaps be translated in Urdu or English. I see a neerest equivalent of it in Punjabi whereby we call something having religious significance as 'Bhaari'.

Amin Ahsan Islahi has tried to explain it as 'tabooed' in his 'Tadabar-ul-Quran'. Wallah aalam bissawwab.

Mr. Gill pretty interesting. However I think religion is something very personal and it ought not be altered. Those who wish to bang their heads on the ground 5 times a day in supplication to their faith and belief can continue doing so, as can rabid Hindoos like ajeya or arjun_5 continue drinking their daily doses of urine, if they wish to. The only problems occur when religion gets intermingled with the running of daily affairs of state. Clearly state and religion need to be separated. Imagine if in one country praying 5 times a day becomes mandatory and in an other you are forced to gag on daily doses of urine as a part of religious ritual. No wonder all through history people feigning to fight for sundry religions one way or another have caused the greatest havoc to humanity.

Another Pakistan in making. Wait for 2-3 decades.

Another Pakistan in making. Wait for 2-3 decades.

Nkg,

(Another Pakistan in making. Wait for 2-3 decades. )

Which country?

Regards

Re: # 109
Turkey....
Pakistan is trying to emulate Turkey and Turkey is trying to emulate Pakistan....

Re: 110

So Pakistan will become another Turkey in 2-3 decades while Turkey will go Pak's way???

Regards

Re: # 111

Not necessarily; if this trend continues, they are both screwed