Student Politics in Pakistan: A Profile

Re: # 64

HP Mian:

"...It is frustrating to be abused by a serial abuser like you, who can't even be original in his abuse once in a while..."

Frustration for you is a good progress from where you are coming, some day you will realize who is abuser. That day please donot break the mirrors in your home. Others use them too.

Re: # 64

HP Mian:

Look at your hatred and rid yourself of it. Only then you will be able to contain your littering of name calling including Ganesh Mutants, and Mother Burners, and abuses that you litter here and on UP.

There is no need to show jealousy of a failed man. Learn to control yourself, else see a psychiatrist and take Massaddi Mian along. Islamic red-neck and his running dog need urgent pyschiatric help.

A 20 year old Sindhi, and 20 somthing Karachi wala are giving an important message to you. Listen to them.

Ranting HBS, as if mullah rants higher authority of Allah is not going to solve anything.

A 24 hour ban by Chowk for your name calling habit did not help you. While at it whatever happened you to your article that you were asking people to wait to start discussion. Some ego HP Mian.

Count on me being here to to show you the mirror. Emphasis is on always.

#60 Posted by anil

"HP Mian is notorious in distorting facts, and being ignorant of the others, when gets busy with him nono, pico, micro analysis upon analysis. When shown the mirror, his hatred and disreect for facts shows up, he starts spewing out insults like, Ganesh Mutants, and Mother Burners. Hoping such insults will get opposition to the ignorance will go away."

You just keep repeating the same post you wrote eons ago. Come up with something different, something original. It is frustrating to be abused by a serial abuser like you, who can't even be original in his abuse once in a while...

HBS influence or Oxford U? hmmm...

Debate about student politics is a crucial issue. More people should be talking at this point but they are not. Look how Taliban or religious students have turned the things around. No one realizes what is going on or what is in the planning? They need to know what has been planned? I can see Mohajirs (MQM) moving across border into India and the Pakistan army begging for Indian help to counter rising tide of talibans. Now the generals are on the run and they can not protect themselves not to speak of common man. Suicide bombers hitting war colleges, SSG headquarters, ISI headquarters should be a moment of worry but it is not as Mushraff knows he can relocate easily at his ancesteral home in Dehli. What is going on underneath is the big planning by religious forces to launch Ghuzwa e Hind as predicted by Nehamat Ullah some 700 years ago. He predicted that Persia, Afghania and a new muslim country will first bring religion in their own territory and then will overrun Hindustan. Hindustan will shatter into pieces. Now if you believe in this then you work for it. If you do not then you make fun of it. The progressive guys laugh it away but the religious forces are working on this project. They believe that the USA is now stuck in Iraq and Afghanistan. They have achieved their target. Now it is the turn of Hindustan busting prophesy. One thing is right that the USA is stuck in the middle east for a long time. It took Russians more than 3 years just to retreat across border their 120000 men. The USA has over 300000 (contractors and forces) across 12000 miles. And the USA has armed over 80000 militas. In Afghanistan they had 3000 at one time to fight Russians. The middle east debacle will be twenty times mor worse than Afghanistan. You do the math. The world will never be same. What is the responsibility of a common progressive person at this juncture of history? The Pakistani generals now are desperate to make ties with India. They are ready to give up the Kashmir issue. Pakistan never wanted to solve it as it is a very expensive trade. India spends over 7000 crores in Kashmir. Pakistan can not afford that. But Pak generals wanted this issue alive so they can use it as a pretext to conquer Islamabad again and again. Now they got better bargaining chips in the form of nukes and missiles. Now Kashmir does not matter. It does not matter to general politicians too. But this will be the core point for religious forces to mobilize their cadre again India.

What is this? anti HP thread?

Bubba – either you are a Punjabi or a sindi...

a) Sindi and Punjabis are the most corrupt people – it’s a universal fact
b) Urdu Speaking Officers are the most professional and most honest people you could ever come across
c) Quoting HP? What a joke? HP is a racist thug and nothing more!

Ah, another Sons of Soil Alliance in the making – anyhow, stop being ‘jealous’ of our success and grow up!

As someone who works for the Sind Police – all I could see are Punjabi Constables, Punjabi Officers, Punjabis and more Punjabis!

HP is a racist thug and a danger to the society while bubba is a harmless liar suffering from a memory loss.

Don't Mess With The Community !
(in personal capacity)

Re: # 45

rf786:

"...a situation here, whether to believe stereotypical, self promoted prejuidices or someone who was there right from the begining. then again, we live in a world of perceptions built around beliefs closest to our heart..."

You spoke it so well. HP Mian is notorious in distorting facts, and being ignorant of the others, when gets busy with him nono, pico, micro analysis upon analysis. When shown the mirror, his hatred and disreect for facts shows up, he starts spewing out insults like, Ganesh Mutants, and Mother Burners. Hoping such insults will get opposition to the ignorance will go away.

Unfortunate for him, he has no ability to break hands holding the mirror, or break the mirror. Please do consign such hatred to the dump of time. Progressive societies need dreams not hatreds.

Re: # 55 Posted by IB on March 4, 2008 9:26:24 am

[bubba, are you for real?] Yes sir, I am for real. When it comes to politics (only) even your leader was no match to our issue oriented politics in Karachi University. As I noted earlier, we used to continuously defeat JI and their mohajir tolas in Karachi University, NED, and DMC. This is what progressives had to offer, and they did.

Actually, Noorani sahib was much more humane than your lootera group of MQM goons.

Your flip flops have been adequately answered by HP in post 56. Now as usual why don't you just start using your foul language? Actually, the way you guys have been behaving is a total disgrace of the mughal legacy of India.

[Jamat-e-Islami had always had a consistant vote bank..]

You are wrong here. Let me ask then why did Maulana Zafar Ahmed Ansari run as an independent candidate in the 1977 election (instead of a JI candidate)? Incidentally, this constituency covered Jacob Lines also, where the infamous Honda 50 was running busy. This constituency included areas from Burns Road to areas called nine-zero, the mohajir garh.

[Yes – some of Jamaats voters joined MQM but they were voters and nothing more.]

And they brought with them the issue of quota system. This was their prime issue with the Pakistani system of developing every Pakistani. Now MQM takes this issue as their manifesto. Why? Can a secular and liberal minded ever think like that?

[b) 1977 elections Urdu Speakers a.k.a Mohajirs ..... of merit, Making Sindi a compulsory subject in schools etc).]

While growing up in Karachi, it was always Mohajir police, Mohajir peon, mohajir bureaucrat in Karachi courts etc. who asked for bribes. I never found a Sindhi asking for bribes in my entire life.

FYI, it was the mohajirs who were in the institutions of Pakistan.

[c) MQM started as a movement of representation and rights for the Mohajirs of Pakistan (although we lost a chance to break it into national scene)]

MQM would always remain a group of ethnocentric fanatics.

[d) Calling MQM a religiously oriented group – is absurd.] No, I do not call them religiously oriented, but I do call them idiots who do not know what it means to be a liberal or secular.

plus the only thing Sindis could do best is 'rob and serve as naukars at our houses' -

HP you are nothing more then a Sindi Facist – who given a opportunity would slit our (Mohajirs) throat anytime.

a) voters of MQM consist of middle classes which are educated and secular. Maulana Noori’s vote bank which shifted towards MQM was of Baralvi’s and most of the urdu speakers are actually deo-bandis to start with but non-practicing. Anyhow, MQM is the most liberal and secular of all political parties.
b) HP Marhoo- MQM is the stabilizing factor in Karachi and Urban Sind. MQM unites Sunnis, Shias, Bheralvis, Deobandis, Qadyanis and other sects – apart from other non-muslim voters. Having said that MQM’s voters are not religious at all but are chauvinistic and nationalistic and believes in the betterment and interests of our people (which is the great Mohajir Nation).
c) Sir you could try to post me anywhere – you would say so because a Sindi Facist Party –PPPP is in power but I’m just one of the million serving this Nation (Pakistan and My Community).


(PS. Btw, you are welcome to have a cup of tea with me anytime – I’m very much in Karachi and pls, CCPO Sahab aur IG Sahab ke kya zaroorat hain – humari bhe approach buhat oper tak hain – Mushraff Bhai Zindabad)

#55 Posted by IB
First you said this:

“it was the voters of JUI of Noorani (sahabs) party which tilted towards MQM and APMSO. Yes – some of Jamaats voters joined MQM but they were voters and nothing more.”

Then you wrote this:

“d) Calling MQM a religiously oriented group – is absurd. MQM is the most liberal and secular political party in Pakistan. MQM also happens to be the bridge between different sects in Sind”

Now how does this match logically? Noorani mian’s voters: Nabi Ka Jhanda, shabarat, mazar and what not. I mean where is the liberalism and secularism here?

“MQM also happens to be the bridge between different sects in Sind”

Kiyoon mazaq kar ria hai!

You are so disappointing that I will report you to Jawaid Bukhari in Karachi and have you posted near kutch, if you are not there already!

bubba, are you for real?

a) Your claims of Al-badar and Al-Shams of 1970s East Pakistan has to do with late 80s APMSO – is absurd. Jamat-e-Islami had always had a consistant vote bank but it was the voters of JUI of Noorani (sahabs) party which tilted towards MQM and APMSO. Yes – some of Jamaats voters joined MQM but they were voters and nothing more.
b) 1977 elections Urdu Speakers a.k.a Mohajirs supported the PNA Movement because of Sindi Facism ( Nationalization Policy, Appointments of Sindi School Teachers out of merit, Making Sindi a compulsory subject in schools etc).
c) MQM started as a movement of representation and rights for the Mohajirs of Pakistan (although we lost a chance to break it into national scene)
d) Calling MQM a religiously oriented group – is absurd. MQM is the most liberal and secular political party in Pakistan. MQM also happens to be the bridge between different sects in Sind.

Re: # 53

[Abay ganjay dozaqi, what does Al-badar and Al-Shams of 1970s East Pakistan has to do with late 80s APMSO in karachi university?? There is simply no connection.]

Another characteristics on the thugs and goons of MQM is that they start with calling names. Nevertheless, that is exactly the point. Those who created chaos in East Pakistan became a major component of MQM to create mohajir's thugistaan. Many Urdu speakers belonging to IJT did not have a home after the fall of East Pakistan (ref. in 1977 election they overwhelmingly supported JI or the PNA) , and they took refuge in the MQM. Changing colors or names is meaningless.

[{There were student's group on National aspiration and not based on ethnic superiority}
oh yeah? Which one? and what are their accomplishments?]

Almost all of them were Nationalist organizations. Jusst to name a few: Baloch Students Organization wanted Baluchistan’s freedom from Pakistan, and Pushtoons wanted freedom from Pakistan. What does MQM want? Freedom from Pakistan? Don't confuse the politics of national aspiration with your MQM’s politics of hate.

They have no nation to generate any nationalistic feeling.

[{Have you ever attended a Mohajir gathering. They almost always start their functions with a religious prayer. ANd you call these what? You consider yourselves as secular.}
Abbay chooran, being secular doesn't mean Anti-Islam.]

This has nothing to do with being Islamic or not. Secularism by the very definition means "not to bring religion in to the public domain". Why don’t you first go and educate yourself with what secularism means, then you can put this word your manifesto?

{Are you some kind of a comedian? These people were from the lot of Al-Shams and Al-Badar, that wreacked havoc in East Pakistan. How can such people form a progressive group?
}

Abay ganjay dozaqi, what does Al-badar and Al-Shams of 1970s East Pakistan has to do with late 80s APMSO in karachi university?? There is simply no connection.

{There were student's group on National aspiration and not based on ethnic superiority}

oh yeah? Which one? and what are their accomplishments?

{Have you ever attended a Mohajir gathering. They almost always start their functions with a religious prayer. ANd you call these what? You consider yourselves as secular.}

Abbay chooran, being secular doesn't mean Anti-Islam.

#48 Posted by vengatramanan,

I didn't get this info from any website! But if you look at how various macroeconomic indicators are computed and presented, you will see my point.

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