Student Politics in Pakistan: A Profile

as this concerns students of biology whose favorite program might be national G. or the Animal planet. and it could be an issue to be discussed in a students union i would like to ask....this regard your article damn darwinian thugs sunday dawn 4 may 08 We belong to that part of the world which takes pride in its” Mela mawesheeyan”.Hence TV shows and our best display breeds of camels
horses and falconry
and the like simply go together.Contrast Karachi;urban
Metropolitan status.Significance:modernity.Yet in its streets overpopulated with street smart children
when one comes across bunches of stray animals
with nature at their side
what does one do? Look the other way?Well same for your TV set.If its shows make one wanna look the other way
then do! Also one has the option of clicking its off button
or switch to other channels
showing the wonderful ADS kingdom
so-o distracting.

Student union yes, student politics no. However:
I had read your article;Where’ s my coffee. About political economy you said (ref;;....from Marxism)
that” man is nothing but a tool of the political economy of life and history”.Is that the reason why-a)Scholars cannot choose the topic of research they would like to do? b)highly qualified fresh graduates do not fit into jobs relevant to their qualifications.c)independent candidates do not get to freely contest in elections.It is high time that the government in power and all the political parties would stop using people as tools
and start providing tools to the people;so that a person can make his good better and his better superlative
to boost political economy and make it sound and healthy.

Re: # 126

The original DSF whose President was Zuhair Naqvi was definitely a student wing of the CPP whose Chairman was Sajjad Zaheer. It published an English weekly (?) also, called 'Students' Voice'.

Re: # 126
NFP,
Just because 'history' has 'recorded' something does not mean that the record should not be set straight.
There was no DSF in India. The CPI student wing was called the All India Students Federation.
Re: Dr Haroon, maybe re-check with him.
best, beena

Beena
Perhaps it is true that DSF was not a student wing of Communist Party of Pakistan (CPP), but fortunately (or otherwise), history records it as being a student wing of the CPP. In fact, the student wing of the Communist Party of India was also called DSF.
But I agree that certain Muslim League leaders were also associated with DSF. In fact, some 15 years after the DSF was banned in 1954, one NSF faction, NSF (Bari) was formed in Karachi, apart from NSF (Miraj), NSF (Kazmi) and NSF (Rashid). Whereas all other NSF factions were associated with fiery left-wing personalities, NSF (Bari) was associated with the progressive Muslim Leaguer, Mian Abdul Bari.
As for Dr. Haroon being part of DSF instead of NSF, it was he who told me he was with the NSF when I twice interviwed him for The News in the early 1990s. He said that he began with DSF but then joined NSF.

Re: # 119 & #120
Thanks NFP & HP - I was talking specifically about 1951-54. Student leaders in Karachi colleges started DSF. It was not a student wing of the Communist Part although most DSF members had socialist leanings and some were members of the CP. However, some also belonged to other parties, & the Muslim League leadership was very cooperative with them. DSF had office bearers like Maulana Ehtishamul Haq Thanvi's nephew Habibul Haq (an anesthetist at Lady Dufferin Hospital, Karachi). However, the DSF leadership was careful to keep party politics out of the student body and to keep their demands linked to improving the educational system and student life.
DSF was banned in 1954 and some students who had been part of it formed NSF. It was after this that it began getting linked with one or other political party. What I've said is easily verifiable through people like S.M. Naseem in Islamabad, Dr Haroon Ahmed in Karachi (who was never with NSF), and of course newspaper files of that time. Anwar Sen Roy (now with BBC in London) did a detailed interview of Dr Sarwar in Jan 2007, in which he raised all these issues.

Re: # 122
Sorry, it was the River Volga (Danube is in Europe). Yes, my father knew him but not very well. Mushirul Hasan in Germany is in contact with his brother Shoaib Naqvi in Karachi.

HP Sahib, I have not disputed the year .But you are right because this happened in ayub's martial law regime.

Re: # 118

beenasarwar

Thanks for the valuable information about Zuhair.

You say:

"Zuhair Naqvi died very young, in Moscow -- he was drowned in the Danube, according to Dr Mohammad Sarwar (my father) who knew him."

So kind of you dear Beena! This is the first time some body talked about Zuhair, who was my dear friend and a fellow-traveller. We were together when the so called security forces separated us. Soon afterwards I learnt that Zuhair had died due to illness during his imprisonment. But now you tell me that he was drowned in Danube. Could you please provide me with direct contact with your father or brother of Zuhair or any body remembering him?

Btw, how your father knew Zuhair?

NFP, If you want to know more about DSF please get in touch with Jam saqi, Afrasiab, Nadeem Akhtar and Zahida Hina on the subject!

One more person Zafar Mohiuddin(he writes for Jang sometimes) or even Shahid Hussain of News and financial times besides Zahid Hussain whose younger brother Hidayat was very active with DSF! (both Shahid and Hidayat were arrested in 1971)

Nadeem and Hina share an office in Karachi, Jam is in Hyd and afrasiab somewhere in Isloo or Peshawar!

I guess this many leads are enough for info on DSF!

"something about the DSF, which was not, as he writes, the student wing of the Communist Party of Pakistan,"

Beena,
I beg to differ. As Dr. Sarwar would know, the CPP revived the DSF in the sixties as an umbrella body for four more student organizations. I think the first president was Afrasiab Khattak or Jam saqi.

Anyway, the DSF never influenced the Pak or the student politics in any meaningful way!

Hello beena,
Without having any intention of contradicting the great Dr. Sarwar, my research regarding DSF included talking (via e-mail), to various DSF members of the 50s and an article by Aasim Sajjad Akhtar in The News International in which he writes: *the biggest student organisation in Pakistan through much of the 1970s, the National Student Federation (NSF), had explicit links with Maoist politics, while the only slightly less organized and popular Democratic Student Federation (DSF) was affiliated with the Communist Party of Pakistan.*

The truth is, finding info on DSF turned out to be quite a task for me as no two former DSF members had similar ideas about the history of the organization.

Much of my info on DSF is based on what I heard from senior NSF member when I joined the NSF in 1987 at the Karachi University.

NfP

Re: # 117
For the record - the ‘Rawalpindi Conspiracy Case’ was in 1951. Hassan Nasir and Zuhair Naqvi were two separate people. Zuhair Naqvi’s brother of Zoheb Naqvi, a retired businessman, lives in Karachi. Hassan Nasir came to Pakistan from Hyderabad, India. DSF in Lahore did not last long.

Zuhair Naqvi died very young, in Moscow -- he was drowned in the Danube, according to Dr Mohammad Sarwar (my father) who knew him.

I wish NFP had also written something about the DSF, which was not, as he writes, the student wing of the Communist Party of Pakistan, but was definitely a left-wing, progressive organisation says Dr Sarwar.

Sarwar was elected as DSF's first Secretary General in Karachi 1951 (he was then President of the Dow Medical Union President), and the following year he was elected President of the DSF. In December 1953, the All Pakistan Students Organisation (APSO) was formed, of which Dr Sarwar was elected Secretary General. Soon afterwards, APSO was banned, and my father along with other student leaders, were arrested. NSF was formed after that.

Re: #112
Hassan Nasir's mother was a remarkable woman, says Dr Sarwar. She came from Hyderabad to identify his body. She refused to accept the body she was shown as that of her son, and moved Lahore High Court for the production of her son's body. She eventually went back to India without ever being shown his body.

Re: # 112

baaghiraja

I am surprised that no body knows about Zuhair Naqvi, President, DSF, who was arrested from Main Hostel of KE College in 1950 as a part, probably, of crack down as a follow-up of the so called Pindi Conspiracy case. I wonder if his real name was Hassan Nasir, as most CP members were working then under fake names. If not, what happened to Zuhair who is also stated to have died during his imprisonment?

I might not have been there. I may have access to classified files of Establishment division.

Danish et. al. were holed up in student union center while both Boro and Shireen were on roof top of Cafeteria of Allama Iqbal hostel. There was another post in new hostel against Jamiete but it was not in the firing field of view. During this gunfire exchange Danish who was firing from union building got hit. He allegedly received 18 - 22 blood transfusions but could not survive. Yes Boro et. al. were later killed in tribal duel not related to IJT.

Its good to read something about the commies of Pakistan even though it relates to somebodies ill fate. These facts need to be highlighted, repeated again and again in a society that has become extremely monolithic in all aspects.

If only we could have had some commies to provide that intellectual discourse absent from our national debate where everthing is Islamicized, things could have been very different. Take India for example, they have their fair share of ultra right wing saffrons, yet they have political and intellectual diversity through their communist parties.

#112
You are right HP. Just recieved an e-mail from a former DSF member. He writes: "Hassan Nasir, Secretary General of the Communist Party of Pakistan (CPP), was tortured to death in a decrepit Pakistani prison in 1959, his mangled body hastily buried."

#112
You are right HP. Just recieved an e-mail from a former DSF member. He writes: "Hassan Nasir, Secretary General of the Communist Party of Pakistan (CPP), was tortured to death in a decrepit Pakistani prison in 1959, his mangled body hastily buried."

#110 Posted by pavocavalry

Hey Agha,
Take my word for it! it was 1958-59!

Hassan Nasir was definitely murdered by the dubious and notorious law enforcement agencies of pakistan.this incident is discussed in Tariq Ali's famous book Pakistan-Peoples Rule or Military Power-1970

I am not sure about the year though.

Zeemax,

Going by the math you proposed, 4% becoming poorer does not mean their lives will be miserable. I do not know if your model takes substitution of goods onto account. The size (quantity and quality) of the basket might have increased when the rural economic growth was good and when the economic growth hits a flat curve, the size of the baskets will remain constant. OTOH when the economic growth falters, it will obviously reflect in the size of the baskets and result in substitution of goods. Yes, a guy who has had rice for the past 5 years would feel bad when he has to switch over to millets, which he used to eat 5 years back.

This can be construed as rural people becoming relatively poor wrt to the rest of the population, but that does not mean they are going to wallow in poverty. It will result in a change in spending patterns and life style and yes, they will look at the rest of the population gawk eyed.

I am yet to arrive at the authenticity of the data we have in our hands. I came across an article that tries to dispel some myths about the rural economy. It primarily says that all of the rural population do not depend on agri and there is a increasing percentage of population, which is into manufacturing and services and also a huge population % that migrates every year towards urban centers. The article says that the rural economic growth is bigger than the urban one. Let me know if you need the link.

I just did a ball park analysis on the IT employees background. I can confidently say that more than 50% of the employees come from rural areas. For egs, at times I cross subsidize our horti spendings from my salary. Most of the guys, every month, send a major % of the salary to their parents. Money ploughed in rural areas, will be ultimately spent there. The money is used to buy new farm lands, build houses, vehicles and other comforts. This indirectly causes job creation, isn't it? I assume, You should have lot more knowledge than I have and proly not comparable at all.

To be frank it has become an uphill task to find/retain labourers these days and this has resulted in mechanizing most of our farm activities (we are not too huge). My dad says that migration of labours from poorer states need to be encouraged.

Afterall this, I still believe India has a huge percentage of people whose lives are miserable and are poverty stricken. For us, the future looks optimistic; you should also remember that we are fatalists.

And once, I get all the data myself, I intend to continue this discussion (also I have to learn more on this subject). Anyways thanks for making me realise the importance of knowledge in economics :-).

nedian
Before BBQ, Khaliq started a video rental business with a University friend of his in Karachi called Satr Video. Did a great job, enough to start BBQ.
Recently, however, he got into a tussle with the city government for some reason. BBQ was shut down for a few days.

Re: # 92

No disagreement there. Boro, his sidekick, Shireen, ... all are dead.

I can remember that day very vividly.

Re: # 93

Sardar Khaliq started the BBQ place.

HaaN! khatm hui barish-e-sang is the one that Faiz wrote for Nasir, according to a later collection of his poems/ghazals. Thank you for reminding me. :)

I also wanted to note that while some people are wondering why certain groups were left out, this is still interesting for those of us who are clueless as to student participation in politics. I know that my late uncle was rather active in the '50's when he was at FC College.

This was Faiz on Hassan Nasir.

This was Faiz on Hassan Nasir.

Dosto qafla-i-dard ka ab kya hoga
Ab koi aur karey parvarishe gulshan-i-gham
Dosto khatm hoee dida-i-tar ki shabnam
Tham geya shor-i-junoon khatm hoee barishe sang

#98
"Faiz and Nazish Amrohvi wrote a poem "

I met Nazish Amrohvi couple of times. His real name was Imam Ali Nazish amrohvi. He had famous first cousins. Rais Amrohvi, John Elia(sp) Syed Mohd. Taqi of Jang! Never read his poetry though!

Nadeem,

It was in the Lahore Fort where Hassan Nasir was tortured and executed.

I don't think I have come across that poem. Or it is not coming to mind at this time. Naz'm ka title kya hai?

Ana

"Hassan Nasir is the one Faiz dedicated a poem to"

Possibly yes! both were communist party members though Hasan Nasir was senior! He was originally from Hyderabad Deccan.


Nadeem,
No Hasan Nasir was killed in 1958-59 in Lahore fort. Zahid Hussain, now a famous journalist and TV host may have more accurate info on Hassan Nasir!

Ana
Faiz and Nazish Amrohvi wrote a poem before as well on the killing of some DSF students in 1956 by the police. They were shot outside what used to be called Capitol Cinema in the Saddar area of Karachi.

HP
That's true. His name was Hassan Nasir. He was first associated with DSF and then the Communist Party of Pakistan. He was tortured to death in a Lahore jail in, I think, 1962 by the Ayub dictatorship.

Hassan Nasir is the one Faiz dedicated a poem to, whose Urdu title escapes me, but I believe the English translation is The rain of stones is finished. I think it is part of the naqsh-e-faryadi collection.

#90 Posted by teshah

“'All Pakistan Democratic Students' Federation' with Zuhair Naqvi of F.C. College, Lahore,
Zuhair Naqvi was arrested in connection with the so called 'Pindi Conspiracy' case and, reportedly, died in jail after a couple of years.”

Paracha #94 or Baghiraja’s info may be correct on that. But I have never heard of Zuhair Naqvi befor as part of DSF. Hassan Nasir was the one who was killed in the Lahore fort by the army in 1958-59. He was part of the communist students.

As far as I know, there was no Zuhair Naqvi who was in the Pindi conspiracy case. The Pindi conspiracy case is now well documented and you can find all accused named at different places on the Net and on Chowk also.

There was one famous Naqvi from Karachi and he was later a professor in Urdu College, Karachi. His name was Jamal Naqvi. I don’t know much about his present condition. He must be pretty old, if he is still alive.

teshah
It was All Pakistan Democratic Students' Organization (APDSO). It was formed in 1953 when the government banned the Communist Party of Pakistan and its student wing, the Democratic Students Federation. However, since it comprised of mainly left-wing and progressive student groups, it too was banned in 1954. NSF emerged and evolved from the APDSO which was mostly led by former DSF members.

Re: # 89

bubbba

Sardar went to the UAE and became extremely religious, Sardar Rahim like u correctly stated is part of PML-N and their younger brother started the famously delicious BBQ Tonight.

Re: # 83

nedian85

Danish was a good friend but a Jamaati, but that doesnt mean he deserved to die.

If my memory serves me right, it was Boro who killed Danish by using a long distance rifle and yes Boro also died by the gun and he did deserve the same punishment. Shireen was killed in Frontier, cut into pieces.

As for Cheema, the ex-thunder squad IJT goon was killed by his ex-rafeeq's (thunder squad goons). I had the misfortune of meeting the deceased at the STC cafeteria when he was still aligned with IJT. Not a very pleasent or well behaved person to meet with, certainly not someone you would pick a fight. These guys were part of gangs who operated from KU using hostels as their hideouts.

Re: # 88

NangaPir

I was there at the same time, even though it was a truncated stay. What was your department if I may ask.

I wonder why there is no mention of the leftist 'All Pakistan Democratic Students' Federation' with Zuhair Naqvi of F.C. College, Lahore, its President, which was established soon after birth of Pakistan. Zuhair Naqvi was arrested in connection with the so called 'Pindi Conspiracy' case and, reportedly, died in jail after a couple of years. He was such a promising young student who died in such dubious circumstances, perhaps the only casualty of the trumped-up case. Can any body please tell me what actually had happened to him and the student organization he had headed, which could perhaps rightly be called the mother of students' organizations in Pakistan?

Re: # 76 Posted by nedian85 on March 4, 2008 9:12:47 pm

Only to add further. Regarding (Sardar Hanif (NED, then PPP)}, he went back to Karachi, and has become a maulana. Back, in 1975 (?) his older brother Sardar Rahim was the President of KU. Nowadays, I understand that Sardar Rahim is with PML-N group in Karachi. Both of these brothers are great human beings, and I am proud to have known them.

Chronology of Incidences at KU:
1. An army major's jeep, who came to collect his FEL result, was set on fire by progressive students.
2. IJT killed Qadeer Abid.
3. A meeting at DOW vowed to take revenge as Dr. Arif Zafar threatens to quit the movement.
3. Tipu, not KU student, next day came with Jaya Bhutto slogans in a white car.
4. IJT Hafiz Aslam (already a graduate of KU), who was going from engineering to library and was due to leave to the Philippines, opened fire with his pistol on Tipu's car. Tipu's machine gunned Hafiz Aslam.
5. Tipu hijacked an aeroplane and got 45 prisoners out of Pakistan some totally irrelevant. For example one NSF (I believe Sirbaland Khan) was due to be released in 3 days.
6. Then the reign of terror started which almost lasted for one year.
7. Then USM was formed which followed by Talaba Jammuri Mahaz. I am still looking for one girl in it. Her name was Mehrin Islam. If someone knows about her.
8. In the election Boro and Shiran went all the way from NED to chemistry department to root out Jamiaties. Despite this these bastards won election thanks to pant wearing modern looking Karachi IJT girls. Even Rafiq Patil was no good as his Jamite girl friend would show up during election and would keep him away from political work.
9. That was the time to get some new fascist organization to counter IJT. You need a prostitute to prostitute a prostitute. So new realities were born.

Anyone heard of Najeeb from PSF? He had this ‘police bhaktarband’ – SUV ; was shot 13 times.

We should all thanks Pakistan Rangers for keeping security under control in universities and colleges (specially in Karachi University) or these thugs would start a riot and kill each-other for ‘nothing’.

aqarius,
According to my research, the bearded terror’s name was Rana Javed. I have mentioned him in the IJT section.

Nangapir,
Yes, that mosque incident kept coming up in my research. The biggest irony, however is, that the mosque that was built in 1976, was originally initiated as an idea by the Liberal Students Federation when it swept the campus elections in 1975.:)

A mosque issue also came up in 1986, when some IJT members at St. Pat's college wanted to turn one portion of the college canteen into a mosque (I was co-leading PSF with Umair Chapra in that college those days).
We resisted saying that the canteen was no place for a mosque. We were at once called kafirs and one of our PSF friends was stabbed in the perusing clash, but thankfully her survived (He later joined APMSO at KU).
In the 1986 elections at the college the PSF-NSF alliance called the St. Pat’s Progressive Students Federation swept clean the union polls, totally alienating the IJT at the college. We squarely managed to keep IJT out in the cold, and I am proud to say, we did so through a democratic process. I think these were the last elections to take place at St.Pats.

NfP

No I do not think so, Usman was a regular , though Burly but was a timid guy, this one was outsider, with him there were some JI big wigs, they came in a blue crolla,
I never was into politics , except for joining Liberals, that too , because it had a lot of girls in it.....[ Wink ]
so I do not know , who that was, never saw him again...
...I heard the Word Thunder squad for the first time then, I was a fresher as KU , some guy who was standing beside me , told me he is from the Thunder sqaud....!!

Also Salamullah Tipu , I have heard of him since 76-77 when I was at the College , he used to reside in Nazimabad No 2 near Abdullah Store, behind Nazimabad Hosptial, I only saw him once , at our college elections, He was wearing a black designer Leather Jacket,and was curling his moustaches, did not stayed long .... the next I heard about Salam ullah Tipu , was when he hijacked the plane...

Salam ullah Tipu , initially was in NSF , he later joined PSF at KU.... and was notorious for dealing brutally with the Jamatis... later I learned , he was hanged by the Kabul
Govt in Jail, secretly..... for he was deemed un-trustworthy .

Re: # 82

The top thunder squad guy ... was it Usman ( )??

Re: # 81

You are right. Shaukat Cheema was a Jamati who had turned away from them. I met Shaukat Cheema in NED in late 1981. He was a big man. He arrived on the day of the NED elections when Danish Ghani was killed in KU. On that day a number of KU activists (goondas for some) came over to NED, they were carrying automatic weapons and other firearms. If i recall correctly, Cheema died soon after. While on that subject there was also the notorious Din Mohammad Baloch (Boro - also dead now) who was probably a bona fide criminal. Anyone remember Boro?

Also, this is the same time when Tipu (Salamullah) did his deed. It was in KU that he allegedly started that crazy journey that led to a hijacking and so much mayhem.

yes , the first time a sophisticated weapon was used in an educational institute ,was when Hussain Haqqani won the President ship .. there were allegation of rigging as usual, they arranged for the Oath taking ceremony in the STC Hall, Rafiq Patel and others arranged a protest rally , and were marching toward the STC Hall to register protest and perhaps sabotage the oath taking ceremony.

.... There was this Bearded Guy , I do not remember his name, but he was the Top Thunder Squad man, who opened fire,... first two or three shots were fired in the Air, and then 3-4 directly on the crowd, I think , three or four persons , including a couple of girls were wounded...

and that was the first ever , incidence of the Use of a sophisticated firearm in any educational institute anywhere in pakistan...

Later during the APMSO 's ERA maybe in 92-93 , I was in Lahore I learned they killed four or five oponents or dessenters , right in front of Gymnasim Wall, execution style.....!!...and in the middle of the day...!!

Re: # 79
Shaukat Cheema was lieutenant in army then got expelled. In Karachi University initially he was with IJT. Then there was a fight between Pushtoons and Punjabis. IJT was behind Punjabis against Pushtoons. Lala Asad of QA hostel patched these two factions and Shauket turned against IJT. He never attended any USM meeting but in election he sided fully with USM. The day he was shot he was riding a bike driven by Mirza Ehsan of AJK Mirpur (English department). IJT student ambushed him from mosque and we knew that the politics have taken a Zionist turn. It was similar to Shrief Mecca to start Jihad. Since then the sanctity of mosque has been ruined and the whole blame of desecrating mosques goes to Jamite Islami and it Bughal Bacha Tanzeem IJT.

Re: # 79
Shaukat Cheema was lieutenant in army then got expelled. In Karachi University initially he was with IJT. Then there was a fight between Pushtoons and Punjabis. IJT was behind Punjabis against Pushtoons. Lala Asad of QA hostel patched these two factions and Shauket turned against IJT. He never attended any USM meeting but in election he sided fully with USM. The day he was shot he was riding a bike driven by Mirza Ehsan of AJK Mirpur (English department). IJT student ambushed him from mosque and we knew that the politics have taken a Zionist turn. It was similar to Shrief Mecca to start Jihad. Since then the sanctity of mosque has been ruined and the whole blame of desecrating mosques goes to Jamite Islami and it Bughal Bacha Tanzeem IJT.

Shaukat Cheema Belonged to PSA , which was a part of USM , we were holed up in Maths dept, the info we got , he was Biking around the Mosque with silencer open, so maybe there was some skirmishes , and then we heard he was shot from the Mosque....and Killed .... situation became tense, we had 5-6 Girls with Us, so we walked all the way to Sohrab Goth from behind the AERC/ IBA .

I remember reading somewhere that Shaukat Cheema belonged to USM and was killed during a clash with IJT.

and also , Mateen Qureshi,Rafiq patel, Shakil Hyder Jafri , and I forgot the name of the guy who won the Presidential seat in the era before Hussain Haqqani's two years and Mehmood Ghaznavi's (79-84)two years at KU , and Shaukat Cheema the guy who was allegedlly shot from the Mosque at KU and died on the spot.

Excellent effort NFP.

You certainly brought back a lot of memories. Hopefully some of the people of that era who read your article would find time to write something. Going by the dates in your articles footnote you were not there when the unions used to have elections. Given that, it is all the more laudable that you still managed to compile an excellent article.

A number of activists - leftists, rightists, commies, ... and some, ... are now spread across the US and UK. The Zia era lasted too long and the original BB tenure of early 90's didnt do enough to give the activists the hope to do anything productive. It is ironic that many of the left leaning activists are well established and westernized capitalists - they are doctors, engineers, builder, businessmen, some others are teachers and researchers ... very far away from the life of idealism.

Some of the names that you missed are Mahmud Ghaznavi (KU), Husssain Haqqani (KU), Altaf Shakoor (NED, now head of Pasban), Nasim Shekhani (DMC, dont know where he is now), Sardar Hanif (NED, then PPP), Mohammad Haseen (NED, then PPP), ... I did forward your article to a number of those people. Perhaps they will get motivated to say something in this discussion.

I wonder why the story did not start right from 1947!

bubba ..is that a name ur parents gave u (in which case u could be related to Nostradamus) or did u select it for yourselves after going thru the experience of living with yourself? Anyway i just wanted to say that you sound very eloquent, your arguments and logic is flawless and you are the true manifestation of what bubba's all over should be...BRAVO dear SIR

Re: # 61 Posted by IB on March 4, 2008 11:39:40 am

[Bubba – either you are a Punjabi or a sindi...] None of those. Even if I was, then what is it to this discussion? You sir, on the other hand, can not accept facts.

[a) Sindi and Punjabis are the most corrupt people – it’s a universal fact]

That is not what I experienced while growing up in Karachi. All bribes were taken by the mohajirs. The bureaucrats in the government institutions were mostly mohajirs, and they took bribes. You should not deflect what is a fact.

[b) Urdu Speaking Officers are the most professional and most honest people you could ever come across]

Every year mohajir teachers would give test papers out to the highest bidders. Go and check out yourself at the SSE or the HSE board. Do you know where Islamia College is? A bastion of urdu speakers where their claim to fame is "goonda gurdi". Do you know who created Marrie Colaco? An urdu speaking mohajir.

[Ah, another Sons of Soil Alliance in the making – anyhow, stop being ‘jealous’ of our success and grow up!]

No, sir, liberals can never be jealous. Jealousy by definition is only for those who do not have anything to the society they live in except hate. And unbeknownst to you, you have just shown it.

You are a poor wretched mohajir, and your parent came to Karachi for a better living, and look what you have done to a city that gave you sanctity. Your parents were great people who wanted to make a better life for themselves and for their progeny. But, you were misguided by your hatred, and you became ethnocentric fascist. You have no love for Karachi, or for that matter anywhere.

[As someone who works for the Sind Police – all I could see are Punjabi Constables, Punjabi Officers, Punjabis and more Punjabis!] That maybe true in the interior Sind.

But, I pointed out places in Karachi, before the thugs took over the city.

[...while bubba is a harmless liar suffering from a memory loss.] No sir, lying is in your mohajir's DNA. It is all about how ridiculously idiot non-convergent, illogical statements mohajirs make.

You have yet to negate anything I have written.

Did you figure it out what a liberal or a secular group of people really mean? Your mohajir tolas are none. So be with accepting this fact, that finally the new age of information has caught with your crappy hate filled politics, and inshaallah your group will be marginalized in Pakistani politics. Because that is exactly where your group belongs.

[Don't Mess With The Community !] Nobody wants to. We all know that is what your program is. To make Karachi's situation as Pakistan's Gaza.

IB Sahib:

Please check this news:

http://www.chowk.com/unplugged/t/50524

This is the kind of acts of Today's Young Pakistan spell the demise of hatred filled HP Mians who think they won when litter the Chowk with name calling Ganesh Mutants and Mother Burners.

These acts also point to a future filled with hope not hate.

Re: # 70
IB Sahib:

Change is in the air, your generation can make the difference.

It is the college kids showing at electoral booths who are making the diffference in favor of Obama. Although my candidate was Hillary, but I accept the verdict of new generation.

Re: # 69 (ouch its' reply number 69)
HP Mian' - try a 69 with Masadi for change! maybe you will change your rotten views..

Anil Bhai - good to know we the 'young' are on the same page!

DOWN WITH HP AND ALIKES...

Re: # 68

IB Sahib:

Thanks for your support.

One refreshing message that I have found on Chowk is that 20 something young Pakistanis donot hesitate to tell hate filled minds of HP Mian and his ilk, for what these minds spew out nano, pico, and macro analysis upon analysis. These hate filled minds litter the Chowk with Ganesh Mutants Mother Burner name calling, and feel they won. HP Mian has been banned for 24 hours on chowk for such name calling.

Today's Pakistan, like Today's India has different priority that hate filled minds of HP Mians.

Way to go Anil, it's time to make HP Sauce out of HP - although it will be 'haram' in any condition.

The looser (HP) flaged your replies as 'abusive' - thugs can't change - can they?

Re: # 66

HP Mian:

Should I consider red flags, jealousy of a failed man, or response to his ranting of HBS?

Re: # 64

HP Mian:

"...It is frustrating to be abused by a serial abuser like you, who can't even be original in his abuse once in a while..."

Frustration for you is a good progress from where you are coming, some day you will realize who is abuser. That day please donot break the mirrors in your home. Others use them too.

Re: # 64

HP Mian:

Look at your hatred and rid yourself of it. Only then you will be able to contain your littering of name calling including Ganesh Mutants, and Mother Burners, and abuses that you litter here and on UP.

There is no need to show jealousy of a failed man. Learn to control yourself, else see a psychiatrist and take Massaddi Mian along. Islamic red-neck and his running dog need urgent pyschiatric help.

A 20 year old Sindhi, and 20 somthing Karachi wala are giving an important message to you. Listen to them.

Ranting HBS, as if mullah rants higher authority of Allah is not going to solve anything.

A 24 hour ban by Chowk for your name calling habit did not help you. While at it whatever happened you to your article that you were asking people to wait to start discussion. Some ego HP Mian.

Count on me being here to to show you the mirror. Emphasis is on always.

#60 Posted by anil

"HP Mian is notorious in distorting facts, and being ignorant of the others, when gets busy with him nono, pico, micro analysis upon analysis. When shown the mirror, his hatred and disreect for facts shows up, he starts spewing out insults like, Ganesh Mutants, and Mother Burners. Hoping such insults will get opposition to the ignorance will go away."

You just keep repeating the same post you wrote eons ago. Come up with something different, something original. It is frustrating to be abused by a serial abuser like you, who can't even be original in his abuse once in a while...

HBS influence or Oxford U? hmmm...

Debate about student politics is a crucial issue. More people should be talking at this point but they are not. Look how Taliban or religious students have turned the things around. No one realizes what is going on or what is in the planning? They need to know what has been planned? I can see Mohajirs (MQM) moving across border into India and the Pakistan army begging for Indian help to counter rising tide of talibans. Now the generals are on the run and they can not protect themselves not to speak of common man. Suicide bombers hitting war colleges, SSG headquarters, ISI headquarters should be a moment of worry but it is not as Mushraff knows he can relocate easily at his ancesteral home in Dehli. What is going on underneath is the big planning by religious forces to launch Ghuzwa e Hind as predicted by Nehamat Ullah some 700 years ago. He predicted that Persia, Afghania and a new muslim country will first bring religion in their own territory and then will overrun Hindustan. Hindustan will shatter into pieces. Now if you believe in this then you work for it. If you do not then you make fun of it. The progressive guys laugh it away but the religious forces are working on this project. They believe that the USA is now stuck in Iraq and Afghanistan. They have achieved their target. Now it is the turn of Hindustan busting prophesy. One thing is right that the USA is stuck in the middle east for a long time. It took Russians more than 3 years just to retreat across border their 120000 men. The USA has over 300000 (contractors and forces) across 12000 miles. And the USA has armed over 80000 militas. In Afghanistan they had 3000 at one time to fight Russians. The middle east debacle will be twenty times mor worse than Afghanistan. You do the math. The world will never be same. What is the responsibility of a common progressive person at this juncture of history? The Pakistani generals now are desperate to make ties with India. They are ready to give up the Kashmir issue. Pakistan never wanted to solve it as it is a very expensive trade. India spends over 7000 crores in Kashmir. Pakistan can not afford that. But Pak generals wanted this issue alive so they can use it as a pretext to conquer Islamabad again and again. Now they got better bargaining chips in the form of nukes and missiles. Now Kashmir does not matter. It does not matter to general politicians too. But this will be the core point for religious forces to mobilize their cadre again India.

What is this? anti HP thread?

Bubba – either you are a Punjabi or a sindi...

a) Sindi and Punjabis are the most corrupt people – it’s a universal fact
b) Urdu Speaking Officers are the most professional and most honest people you could ever come across
c) Quoting HP? What a joke? HP is a racist thug and nothing more!

Ah, another Sons of Soil Alliance in the making – anyhow, stop being ‘jealous’ of our success and grow up!

As someone who works for the Sind Police – all I could see are Punjabi Constables, Punjabi Officers, Punjabis and more Punjabis!

HP is a racist thug and a danger to the society while bubba is a harmless liar suffering from a memory loss.

Don't Mess With The Community !
(in personal capacity)

Re: # 45

rf786:

"...a situation here, whether to believe stereotypical, self promoted prejuidices or someone who was there right from the begining. then again, we live in a world of perceptions built around beliefs closest to our heart..."

You spoke it so well. HP Mian is notorious in distorting facts, and being ignorant of the others, when gets busy with him nono, pico, micro analysis upon analysis. When shown the mirror, his hatred and disreect for facts shows up, he starts spewing out insults like, Ganesh Mutants, and Mother Burners. Hoping such insults will get opposition to the ignorance will go away.

Unfortunate for him, he has no ability to break hands holding the mirror, or break the mirror. Please do consign such hatred to the dump of time. Progressive societies need dreams not hatreds.

Re: # 55 Posted by IB on March 4, 2008 9:26:24 am

[bubba, are you for real?] Yes sir, I am for real. When it comes to politics (only) even your leader was no match to our issue oriented politics in Karachi University. As I noted earlier, we used to continuously defeat JI and their mohajir tolas in Karachi University, NED, and DMC. This is what progressives had to offer, and they did.

Actually, Noorani sahib was much more humane than your lootera group of MQM goons.

Your flip flops have been adequately answered by HP in post 56. Now as usual why don't you just start using your foul language? Actually, the way you guys have been behaving is a total disgrace of the mughal legacy of India.

[Jamat-e-Islami had always had a consistant vote bank..]

You are wrong here. Let me ask then why did Maulana Zafar Ahmed Ansari run as an independent candidate in the 1977 election (instead of a JI candidate)? Incidentally, this constituency covered Jacob Lines also, where the infamous Honda 50 was running busy. This constituency included areas from Burns Road to areas called nine-zero, the mohajir garh.

[Yes – some of Jamaats voters joined MQM but they were voters and nothing more.]

And they brought with them the issue of quota system. This was their prime issue with the Pakistani system of developing every Pakistani. Now MQM takes this issue as their manifesto. Why? Can a secular and liberal minded ever think like that?

[b) 1977 elections Urdu Speakers a.k.a Mohajirs ..... of merit, Making Sindi a compulsory subject in schools etc).]

While growing up in Karachi, it was always Mohajir police, Mohajir peon, mohajir bureaucrat in Karachi courts etc. who asked for bribes. I never found a Sindhi asking for bribes in my entire life.

FYI, it was the mohajirs who were in the institutions of Pakistan.

[c) MQM started as a movement of representation and rights for the Mohajirs of Pakistan (although we lost a chance to break it into national scene)]

MQM would always remain a group of ethnocentric fanatics.

[d) Calling MQM a religiously oriented group – is absurd.] No, I do not call them religiously oriented, but I do call them idiots who do not know what it means to be a liberal or secular.

plus the only thing Sindis could do best is 'rob and serve as naukars at our houses' -

HP you are nothing more then a Sindi Facist – who given a opportunity would slit our (Mohajirs) throat anytime.

a) voters of MQM consist of middle classes which are educated and secular. Maulana Noori’s vote bank which shifted towards MQM was of Baralvi’s and most of the urdu speakers are actually deo-bandis to start with but non-practicing. Anyhow, MQM is the most liberal and secular of all political parties.
b) HP Marhoo- MQM is the stabilizing factor in Karachi and Urban Sind. MQM unites Sunnis, Shias, Bheralvis, Deobandis, Qadyanis and other sects – apart from other non-muslim voters. Having said that MQM’s voters are not religious at all but are chauvinistic and nationalistic and believes in the betterment and interests of our people (which is the great Mohajir Nation).
c) Sir you could try to post me anywhere – you would say so because a Sindi Facist Party –PPPP is in power but I’m just one of the million serving this Nation (Pakistan and My Community).


(PS. Btw, you are welcome to have a cup of tea with me anytime – I’m very much in Karachi and pls, CCPO Sahab aur IG Sahab ke kya zaroorat hain – humari bhe approach buhat oper tak hain – Mushraff Bhai Zindabad)

#55 Posted by IB
First you said this:

“it was the voters of JUI of Noorani (sahabs) party which tilted towards MQM and APMSO. Yes – some of Jamaats voters joined MQM but they were voters and nothing more.”

Then you wrote this:

“d) Calling MQM a religiously oriented group – is absurd. MQM is the most liberal and secular political party in Pakistan. MQM also happens to be the bridge between different sects in Sind”

Now how does this match logically? Noorani mian’s voters: Nabi Ka Jhanda, shabarat, mazar and what not. I mean where is the liberalism and secularism here?

“MQM also happens to be the bridge between different sects in Sind”

Kiyoon mazaq kar ria hai!

You are so disappointing that I will report you to Jawaid Bukhari in Karachi and have you posted near kutch, if you are not there already!

bubba, are you for real?

a) Your claims of Al-badar and Al-Shams of 1970s East Pakistan has to do with late 80s APMSO – is absurd. Jamat-e-Islami had always had a consistant vote bank but it was the voters of JUI of Noorani (sahabs) party which tilted towards MQM and APMSO. Yes – some of Jamaats voters joined MQM but they were voters and nothing more.
b) 1977 elections Urdu Speakers a.k.a Mohajirs supported the PNA Movement because of Sindi Facism ( Nationalization Policy, Appointments of Sindi School Teachers out of merit, Making Sindi a compulsory subject in schools etc).
c) MQM started as a movement of representation and rights for the Mohajirs of Pakistan (although we lost a chance to break it into national scene)
d) Calling MQM a religiously oriented group – is absurd. MQM is the most liberal and secular political party in Pakistan. MQM also happens to be the bridge between different sects in Sind.

Re: # 53

[Abay ganjay dozaqi, what does Al-badar and Al-Shams of 1970s East Pakistan has to do with late 80s APMSO in karachi university?? There is simply no connection.]

Another characteristics on the thugs and goons of MQM is that they start with calling names. Nevertheless, that is exactly the point. Those who created chaos in East Pakistan became a major component of MQM to create mohajir's thugistaan. Many Urdu speakers belonging to IJT did not have a home after the fall of East Pakistan (ref. in 1977 election they overwhelmingly supported JI or the PNA) , and they took refuge in the MQM. Changing colors or names is meaningless.

[{There were student's group on National aspiration and not based on ethnic superiority}
oh yeah? Which one? and what are their accomplishments?]

Almost all of them were Nationalist organizations. Jusst to name a few: Baloch Students Organization wanted Baluchistan’s freedom from Pakistan, and Pushtoons wanted freedom from Pakistan. What does MQM want? Freedom from Pakistan? Don't confuse the politics of national aspiration with your MQM’s politics of hate.

They have no nation to generate any nationalistic feeling.

[{Have you ever attended a Mohajir gathering. They almost always start their functions with a religious prayer. ANd you call these what? You consider yourselves as secular.}
Abbay chooran, being secular doesn't mean Anti-Islam.]

This has nothing to do with being Islamic or not. Secularism by the very definition means "not to bring religion in to the public domain". Why don’t you first go and educate yourself with what secularism means, then you can put this word your manifesto?

{Are you some kind of a comedian? These people were from the lot of Al-Shams and Al-Badar, that wreacked havoc in East Pakistan. How can such people form a progressive group?
}

Abay ganjay dozaqi, what does Al-badar and Al-Shams of 1970s East Pakistan has to do with late 80s APMSO in karachi university?? There is simply no connection.

{There were student's group on National aspiration and not based on ethnic superiority}

oh yeah? Which one? and what are their accomplishments?

{Have you ever attended a Mohajir gathering. They almost always start their functions with a religious prayer. ANd you call these what? You consider yourselves as secular.}

Abbay chooran, being secular doesn't mean Anti-Islam.

#48 Posted by vengatramanan,

I didn't get this info from any website! But if you look at how various macroeconomic indicators are computed and presented, you will see my point.

From the NSF Days...

"Surkh Hai Surkh Hai, Asia Surkh Hai..."

Instead of "Surkh" everything turned to ...


Ras

Re: # 41 Posted by IB on March 3, 2008 8:10:19 pm

And that is where his ass got kicked. If memory serves me right, Sardar Rahim got elected President as a Progressive Student candidate.

[a) All Pakistan Muttahida (initially Mohajir) Students Organization (APMSO) actually started from University of Karachi and National College Karachi in 1976-77.
b) Altaf Hussain initially started as an activist of Jamiat-e-Tulbai Islam when he enrolled into first year of B-Pharm, University of Karachi.]

[He later formed a progressive group – which later turned into APMSO.]

Progressive group? Created on hate mongering and dada geeri?
Are you some kind of a comedian? These people were from the lot of Al-Shams and Al-Badar, that wreacked havoc in East Pakistan. How can such people form a progressive group?


[The idea was to safe guard the interests of Mohajirs against non-mohajirs. The rationale given at that time was:
i) since all other ethinicities had student movements safeguarding there interests why not a students movement for the mohajirs]

That was the biggest lie. There were student's group on National aspiration and not based on ethnic superiority. This group of Mohajirs wanted ethnic supriority, and nothing else.

[ii) for the end of quota system]

This line was stolen from IJT and was used to create hate and the killing fields in Karachi.

[iii) end to religious forces in students politics]

Have you ever attended a Mohajir gathering. They almost always start their functions with a religious prayer. ANd you call these what? You consider yourselves as secular.


[...his leadership qualities (although he has completely lost it now) then.]

He never had any leadership qualities. Nowadays societies demand servant leadership and no one in Pakistan knows the meaning of this new characteristic of a leader. Gone are the days of total "goonda gurdi" and "badmaashi".

What a useless group of secular minded socialists they were? As one would say they did not have an inkling of secularism. They were just those who wanted to avail the best in which way the wind was blowing.

Just have a look at their leadership, and one can easily see that they never promoted the most downtrodden of the lot amongst them (regarding social power), the minorities.

Those secular idiots were after all students, and they should have been fair and invited amongst them the most enlightened amongst the population, the religious minorities, the ethnic minorities, the provincial minorities. They were a lost group of students who had no idea how to get these diverse group of students together.

The young ones in those days are the leaders today. These so-called leaders lost yesterday. They are losing today. No wonder we see a dilapidated Pakistani nationalism.

Re: # 47

Zee,

Whats the source of your data? Can I have the link?

#43/#44 Posted by vengatramanan,

...let us meet on DMji's board. Is that ok?

err ... I'm too lazy to click more times than is necessary ...

Re Majumdar's answer, I didn't say what you reproduced.

I had pointed to the base-year effect (i.e. the compounding of price change within the period since the base-year till current year) which renders the 'real' growth as rather 'unreal'.

Nadeem always reminds me of my rebel friends of college days in India. I know of ppl who left studies & joined Naxals.

This attraction to politics is one thing and attraction to left/right ideology is another thing. If leftists started it first (i.e. indoctrinating young ppl in college) then right wingers started it late. We have Hindu right wingers in India and they have Muslim right-wingers in Pakistan.

The political thoughts of Marx and his ilk are valid for their lifetimes but not for ours. We need to have another Marx in our times. Let Marx sleep in his grave in Highgate. The history of Polpot, Mao and others shud reminds us that politics san humanism is meaningless. Marxist tyranny is as bad as dictatorship, coz humans are not gods. Democratic ideology alone has this self-correcting mechanism of human frailties.

As it stands today, student politics in our midst is stuck in time warp. They need to concentrate more on studies than politics. Indian student politics are corrupted by the political parties. Spending crores of rupees for student elections is a norm. This MUST stop. What after all a student leader promises is a cycle/mobike stand, good canteen, neat toilets etc., but he spends crores of rupees for elections which doesn’t pay him a penny!!!!!!!!

It's the political parties who infuse funds into campus elections. It's the time the political parties call quits in campuses, else the outcome of that intrusion is the corrupt student leaders, criminals entering campuses, electoral malpractices and the whole process of replicating general election process into students' lives. This is pure bad.

Re: # 38

{All Pakistan Muttahida (initially Mohajir) Students Organization (APMSO) was actually formed in Hyderabad in 1975-76 when altaf pai lived in Hyderabad. He was a known informer for the local IB.}

HP Saeen

I know u r a honorable person therefore these comments would be based on some external source, such as the IB or someother intelligence agency. Since I was personally involved in APMSO formation, I know for a fact what u have stated is baselsss and fabricated. So we have a situation here, whether to believe stereotypical, self promoted prejuidices or someone who was there right from the begining. then again, we live in a world of perceptions built around beliefs closest to our heart.

Saeen, its time u woke up and smelt the coffee, stored prejuidices can never be a healthy recipe.

Re: # 43

Also, I felt you dodged Majumdar's answer by saying that even if the economic growth is inflation adjusted, it will just negate the inflation and still end in the negative. I thought Majumdar's was a right answer.

Anyways, please allow the interators on this board to do what they are interested in and let us meet on DMji's board. Is that ok?

Re: # 33

Zeemax,

Thanks Sir for the effort. Can we continue our discussion on the board we started. I, accidentally, clicked on the author's name and the link read ' Anarchist '. I have always been attracted by them. Apart from that I do not think much about student politics.

Please allow me some more time as I have to juggle between the work that I get paid for (have lots for a few more weeks) and the question that has interested me. I think I need to give you a honest and responsible answer.

Thanks,

Re: # 41 bhai mitarway , u get lost . talking all BS . You seem to have benefitted a lot from the facist MQM.

HP your fascist ideology of ‘Jaey Sind’ is rotten.

a) All Pakistan Muttahida (initially Mohajir) Students Organization (APMSO) actually started from University of Karachi and National College Karachi in 1976-77.
b) Altaf Hussain initially started as an activist of Jamiat-e-Tulbai Islam when he enrolled into first year of B-Pharm, University of Karachi. He later formed a progressive group – which later turned into APMSO. The idea was to safe guard the interests of Mohajirs against non-mohajirs. The rationale given at that time was:
i) since all other ethinicities had student movements safeguarding there interests why not a students movement for the mohajirs
ii) for the end of quota system
iii) end to religious forces in students politics


Yes agreed Altaf Hussain was helped by the government to organize but that was because the government realized his leadership qualities (although he has completely lost it now) then.

Are these slogans still around?


Galay Saray Nizam Ko

Aik Dhakka Aur Do

In Sadiyon Kay Beemaron Ko

Aik Dhakka Aur Do

In Girti Huwi Deewaron Ko

Aik Dhakka Aur Do

*NangaPir/HP
Hello. I was associated with NSF (Kazmi) at the Punjab University in the early and mid seventies. This article has been a wonderful way to find out what happened to student politics especially regarding union elections after I left the country in 1977. I have already written to Mr. Paracha asking for more detail of the state of student politics in the 1980s, since he was with NSF in this era. However, I would love it if you two can add a bit more to what you have already written here. Thanks.

Remarkable effort! However, there are many gaps.
Some more ancient history!

Perhaps either in 1963 or 64, there was a major student effort against the Ayub regime. I just don’t know what caused it & what the issues were. But 5 or 6 student leaders emerged out of that. Mairaj M. Khan, Fatahyab ali Khan, Dr. Rashid Hassan, Nawaz Butt and one or two more whose names I can’t recall now(One Dr. Afzal something). They were all progressive and were NSF. I believe there was no IJT in Karachi at that time. While the Sino-Soviet split came in the progressive movement, NSF completely went pro china in Karachi & split in two factions: Mairaj group and Dr. Rashid Hassan Khan group. Someone told me that Dr. Rashid Hassan ended up having his own communist Party or a leftist group. He was active in student politics for a long time but disappeared sometime in the late 70s. The Mairaj group later split in two groups in the late sixties and they were Bari group (I don’t recall his first name). The other group was Amir Haider Kazmi Group. So Amir Haider Kazmi was not in the first group of leaders as you have mentioned.

For couple of years these two groups (Bari and Kazmi) fought against each other in Karachi colleges. After 1972 or 73 IJT emerged on the scene.

The situation in the interior Sindh was different. There were initially two groups Jiay Sindh and the other which you did not mention at all, was SNSF(Sindh NSF). The University of Sindh saw some epic battles between these two groups from 1967 to 1972.
Nawab Yousuf Talpur(now a PPP MNA and sometime minister) was the President of JSSF and Jam Saqi was the president of SNSF( he too is in PPP now and a likely Senator from Sindh)
Some other presidents for both groups were Mehar H. Shah and Iqbal Tareen.

People’s student Federation of PPP later became popular but was never popular in the Uni of Sindh, Mehran Engineering College and Liaquat Medical College all in Jamshoro! Or even in Agri-University in Tando Jam.

DSF Democratic Student Federation reemerged as an umbrella group for four student organizations. Sindh NSF(Jam saqi), BSO-Baloch Student Organization (Dr.Abdul Hai Baloch was the First President), Pushtoon Students Federation( Afrasiab Khattak, now ANP provincial president was the first President and remained that until he left for Afghanistan with Asfandyar Wali when they were implicated in Hayat Sherpao’s murder(Aftab Sherpao’s older brother) Mukhtar Bacha was the Secretary or President for one time. Later he joined Mazdoor Kissan Party.
Punjab student federation. Don’t know much about it!

DSF and other mentioned above organizations were owned and operated by the Communist Party Pro-Soviet union and were under the NAP umbrella. When NAP was banned and later split in Baloch and Pushtoon Groups these students’ organizations lost their support too. NAP was as you perhaps know also provided cover for the Communist Party though Wali Khan hated the communists. Baloch favored the communists!

All Pakistan Muttahida (initially Mohajir) Students Organization (APMSO) was actually formed in Hyderabad in 1975-76 when altaf pai lived in Hyderabad. He was a known informer for the local IB.

One error:
“Famous former members: Dr. Muhammad Sarwar (Writer); Hassan Naqi (Writer); Nazish Amrohvi (Poet); Adeeb-ul-Hasan Rizvi (Urologist).”

Nazish Amrohvi was too old to be a student. He was actually General Secretary of the Communist Party and used to conduct study groups in Marxist ideology in secret for students. He died in the late 80s or early 90s.
Hassan Naqi was an editor of some magazine. Never heard of Adeeb Rizvi.

it takes a special kind of mediocrity to tout student politics as worth celebration

Re: # 34 NangaPir, you make fiction sound 'reality'...
get a life.

Sorry. To complete the story. Soon after election Zafar Arif used USM as a stepping stone and shed all others except PSF. This PSF was different from neighboring NED's PSF where Sifwan Shah was busy in sloganeering "NED for NEDians" on pirated books. So the myopic left wing organizations and especially their leaders are partially to be blamed for current situation in Pakistan.

Just for record. After Tipu's action the KU became a hub for Islami Jamiat-e-Tulaba terrorism. Jamate Hussain Haqani was known to have on CIA payroll now in Boston. His follower was accused of killing Qadeer. The KU was filled with agencies agents. In total 144 terrorist incidents took place in KU after the death of Abid Qadeer. No organization was able to counter IJT terrorism. Then few students gathered at Dr. Zafar Arif’s home and f