Student Politics in Pakistan: A Profile

(It experienced a split in the late 1960sb though, between pro-China and pro-Moscow factions (NSF-Miraj, NSF-Kazmi).)

So a Pakistani students union splits into a pro-Beijing and a pro-Moscow faction!!! Btw were the two Unions pro-Pak or not???

But why I am not surprised to read all this. 'Cos the CP of INDIA split into two factions- the pro-Beijing CPIM and the pro-Moscow CPI.

And no one can accuse either of the two CPIs of being pro-India either!!!

Regards

One day, Insha Allah you would be inking their elimination. Its a process where nature is not given attention much but has to do much.
First should be MQM.

It was a good descriptive article....
Though I think it would have been better if Mr NFP had analysed the actual effectiveness of these student wings in influencing the mainstream politics...
The article mentions the names of some politicans which have emerged from the student unions but does not talk much about the reciprocal relationship between the main parties and their student wings and how it has actually evolved over time....
Likewise to what extent the student unions have actually influenced the society in general...
Another important aspect is about the likely future of the student unions...
With the mushroom growth of the private universities, the unions with political unserpinnings will be hard hit as generally the public sector universities have been their breeding ground....

well researhed article .

I must add a tribute to my college mate in FC College Lahore Aminullah Khan Khakwani from a very well to do landlord family of Vihari in 1977-79.He was the Union President if my memory goes well at the FC College.He was murdered in the FC College Hostel in 1978.It has been said by eye witnesses that many leading Islami Jamiat i Tulaba leaders including salman butt were involved in it.the murder was instigated by the martial law authorities of the tinpot clown zia.

Interestingly the Union Secretary of that time Adeel Kazi again from PSF or Progressive block , my school mate at Saint Marys Lalazar Rawalpindi and at FC College later joined the army.I dont know where he is now.The last I met him was at Karachi in 2003.

Wily ol’Nadeem came up another trash from Dawn (where he bores us with his idealism and contemporary thoughts).

Students politics of today in Pakistan is a dirty game – probably dirtier then the actual politics. If we just look at the record of student groups clashing in Karachi – more people lost there lives due to student’s politics then actual politics during 2007/2008 period.

There are two major powers (APMSO, JTI) in Karachi apart from Punjabi Students Federation and Pakhtoon Students Federations. It would be astounding to know that among all of these Punjabi & Pakhtoon Students Federation are most violent.

As a law enforcement officer who had to deal first hand with students leaders ( without bias ) APMSO with all the strings attached has behaved during the past years (because of a better vigilance and MQM’s being in the govt.) while the other three groups acted as ‘pinners’.

a) Clashes between PSF and Jamaat resulted in 2 deaths at JPMC
b) 6-7 people of Jamat gunned down at Karachi University Gate No.2 from the bus ( I personally saw one headless body)
c) firing at Sir Syed Engineering University by Pukhtoon Students from the Urdu Wafaqi University

are some examples.

Re: # 4
pavocavalry are you that 'brasstrack' guy?

Well done Mr Paracha.A very fine article . I have never come across such a fine article.You just disregard the BS that any jaahil person says about it.

Pakistan's students are far better than the highly corrupt army police and all law enforcement and intelligence agencies of Pakistan.

Good job extremely well done Comrade Paracha.

Re: # 7
'Pakistan's students are far better than the highly corrupt army police and all law enforcement and intelligence agencies of Pakistan'

Pakistan's students are far better than the highly corrupt army police and all law enforcement and intelligence agencies of Pakistan.

That’s a sweeping generalization – the law enforcement officers, army chaps and rest of the government servents are part ‘former students’ – infact the students of today are far worse (in quality) then the students of yester years.

Hazrat Ali once said (and I am a strict deobandi) that ‘the government depicts the people’ – somehow our people in general are ‘harami’ – so automatically the government is ‘maha-harami’ ( apologize for using the slang)

the answer to a fool is silence . i think that pakistani police has exceeded all the p_____s and c______s in the world .the army is not far behind.

bugti was a great leader and so was ZAB and here we have chamchas doing naukry and acting as spies on mole.

i remember my tenure in civil service in muzaffargarh.there was a poor book seller . his son did CSS joined police and became rich.his brother later became MNA and gained fame as murderer of a paki canadian lady .those who join police and government service join fir money .they have a complex.thats why i resigned from this BS paki government service.

chowk is getting full of agents of the murky shady government of pakistan.

Go and tell this to a police constable who works 16 hours a day ; at times 7 days a week non-stop – no life insurance, under equipped.

Pakistan Police obviously can not be compared with lets say the British Police but given a opportunity we had proved to be the best. Motorway Police and Community Policing in Karachi plus CPLC are good examples.

Re: # 10
Sir, you might have got the 'danda' or two. Prorably, you deserved it.

I think the best joins CSS – agreed if not most then a lot of them join the services for the perks but that’s a universal phenomenon. I could give out names ( it’s not the right forum ) of the ranks of DSP’s and DIG’s who retired as honourable men.

I would advice you to reframe from ‘generalizing’. I mean if you left the services – it’s not our fault is it?

(PS. And I am neither a spy nor an agent)

Plus, why is that the Urdu Speaking Officers the best and most honest? (not to mention: most proffesional) - ?

There should be student unions, but with no affiliations to the country's political parties. All it does is create proxy wars on campuses. The exhilerating atmosphere of academic freedom is missing in Pakistan, replaced by fear and indifference instead.

Khalid Bin Walid

What an insult to the name of a person titled Saifullah!

Wasn't this guy Jahannum Raseed'ed in Muttarwapur by a rival gang a while ago?

Brilliant piece. And very timely too. The detail is rather breathtaking, and even though Paracha was once associated with NSF and PSF, I commend him for remaining relatively unbiased. Well done, sir.

Re: # 12 IB

I think those days are long gone when people used to feel compassion for the sob stories like "think about the constable who works 16 hours a day....." and "think about the soldiers who sit on Siachin in freezing temperatures.......". You people have wronged us, the citizens of Pakistan, to such a degree that we have decided to cut you off from us like a gangrenous leg is cut off to save a body. Tables have turned. Now your ass is ours.

Paracha,

Topic was intereshting but ur neo-punjabiyat is screaming as usual, it must be confusing to kiss the same ass to be relevant and hate that same urdu speaking ass with all that BUTT venom. I am no fan of MQM or APMSO but Javed LangRA had as much to do with APMSO as much as Dakko Lal Jakhrani had to do with Jeay sind student federation. LangRA did come to campuses to settle scores just like rashid rabbani, sohail peter, saood bin mabood did for PSF.

The most famous Punjabi students association personality was not Dr. Shahid Masood, he was affiliated with NSF, nice try though. Ishtiaq Chaudhry was the most famous PSA personality who killed shahab in cold blood in SMC and was later killed by IJT rafeeq's of SMC and KU.

Moin Khan and Rashid Latif both were active members of APMSO in NED Rashid's sister Naila Lateef was the joint sect. of the whole organization in fact. Ahmed Jahanzeb was also very active in APMSO. Try to give a semblance of impartiality, i know there is that deep hate but dont make it so obvious.

You also conveniently forgot that Aamir 'the drama' Liaquat hussein was an active member of PSF in adamjee science college. Woh or unkay abba mahir hein..jidhar kii hawa hotii hayy ussii taraf chall paRtay hein

Re: # 19
Strange, only last year so many chowkites were accusing NFP for siding with APMSO and MQM in that May 12 article he did called "month of the gun."

Marathon effort, Nadeem. A long look at a suject that is important but neglected by our scribes.

And hamza, what the hell's neo-Punjabi, yaar? We are heading towards a different Pakistan now (Inshallah). So we should let go of this Punjabi, Sindhi, Baloch, Pathan and Mohajir thing already.

"Topic was intereshting but ur neo-punjabiyat is screaming as usual"
abay tu serious hai kya?

The hate has to be subtle my friends ...he works in khi ...lets be real he cant be out n about ..about it..not right now anyways..but u should've seen him during the operation in 90's...abbay che too abhii bacha hayy jaa.. jakar apnay khargosh say khayl

hamzay tu abhi virgin please doosron ko mat bacha keh, shabaash ab jaa kay mut maar (T)

NFP

Many thanks brother, puranee yadein tazaa kardeen.

Just one minor but very important correction. Inception of Punjabi Student Association was not 1980, it was well represented in colleges and universities in the seventies.

Well before APMSO came into existence, Karachi had its share of ethnic parties fully functional and dominant in their own spheres.

Hostels in Karachi University, NED and Dawood Engineering college were dominated by Punjabi, Pukhtoon and Sindhi student organizations. Elections for hostel representatives were held on the basis of ethnicity which were ratified and openly supported by JI, NSF, PSF. It was the late seventies and Mr Cheema IJT Thunder squad/PSO (Punjabi Students Organization)was not supported in KU hostel elections in favor of Pukhtoon as it was the time when IJT had become a important member of Zia and the Afghan resistence. Mr Cheema rebelled from his party and joined the anti-Jamiat alliance which was not a smart thing cause he was gunned down in front of the Mosque in KU by his comrades in arm (IJT).

Students entering KU were welcomed with banners from IJT, NSF, PSF and ethnic parties (PSO, PSF, JSSF, BSO)and this was before APMSO came into existence.

Has any student leader other than Altaf Hussain reached national prominence, or have they just been a cannon fodder for the ruling army, the mullas and the feudal thugs?

Were there any women student leaders?

Urstruely Sahab,
somehow, i feel for people like you because you live in a limbo 24/7. I am not a spokesman for the armed forces , I represent my institution which is (Pakistan Police and Sind Police) which is working there arse off - for ungreatful people like you.
If you didn't notice,
a) crime rate in Karachi has dropped down atleast 32% from last year
b) Insh'Allah with the new 6000 new police officers in Karachi - you will see a better traffic management and a better enviorement (yes, all of the new chaps got Karachi domocile)

As for APMSO, Jamaat and Punjabi Student's Fed. - most of the students involved in students organizations are 'small time criminals, thugs and nothing more' - we need to sweep them all and ban them a.s.a.p! for a better tommarrow.

Why don't we have a Mirzaee Student Association, hain ji?

Is it true that new APMSO members take oath while wearing Altaph Bai's soiled pajama over their head, hain ji?

I do not think that police is a problem itself but it is a symptom of a problem. The real problem is the lawlessnees, uncostitunality, and illegitimacy of the ruling class, who use police as an tool to enforceme their writ of oppression. The Pirs, jagirdars, ethnic terrorists, ghulamzadas and siyassi haramazadas will never let a rule of law establish in our country. See how they are fighting tooth to nail to not let the establishment of an independent judiciary and law in this country. See how pirs and jagirdars are trying wiggle out of their committme nt to people to restore rule of law in this country even though they know very well that anyone who will side with the dictatopr or try to preserve the current system will do so defying the guillotines that are chasing them.

As far as student parties are concerned, I agree with your asertion that they are nothing but crooks and thugs. I was one of them once.

Urstruly Sir,
Pakistan Police works under tremendous pressure – political and social. The problem is that there’s no job security in police – I was asked couple of weeks back as to why police officers of the ranks of ASP’s, DSP’s (these are field command officers) refuse to obey orders from superiors and use conscience for a change!

Actually the problem lies in the vary structure of policing in Pakistan – the whole chain of command which actually discourages officers ‘to put there foot down’.

Some Points,
a) IF you remember a Punjab Police Construable stopped a three star general’s car – he was bashed by the army – although the sergeant was correct in stopping the car – the car was unmarked too.

b) We in Karachi – see every tom, dick and Harry now installing a ‘blue light’ in there cars – if we stop them – they are sons and daughters of landlords, cousins of a top 21grade officer or god knows who – these people actually go out of line to defend even there servants and embarrass police.

c) We in police with minimal pay scales (an ASP gets around Rs.28000 including benefits) forget a construable that gets an Rs.5600/month – 7 days work, 16hours duty

d) Yes, I agree that every policeman should have known about the job and that’s not an excuse for corruption – I’m sorry on my part, I am embarrassed – but Insh’Allah time will come when police will be respected.

e) Political Parties be it MQM (which I voted for this election) , PPPP, PML’s etc.. are made up of powerful , corrupt and manipulative men and women – who fool us , use the system to suppress and rule and nothing more. Being Neutral in this system is like ‘committing a suicide’.

f) Personally I support Karachi’s Nazim(s) call for Police to come under City Government – as it will not only improve the structure of policing but will encourage direct contact between the elected town officials (which represents the locals) and the police for better management of police.

g) Stoppage of political appointments in police – plus , allowing locals to police in there own areas for better and safer community.




A concerned ASP, Sind Police.

Somehow, it's a war between

HAVE and HAVE-NOTS in todays Pakistan. Unfortunately HAVE-NOTS do not have the will nor the capacity to unite. Until then we could all chat, gossip and argue on how bad the system is and how bad things are on the other side of the bridge.

Shaba'khair, Khudahafiz!

#28 Posted by slyder. on March 3, 2008 11:43:56 am

what sort of politics do you have in cab driving college?

Borrowing this board for a more productive discussion ... since the host board is in chowk dungeons:

#292 Posted by vengatramanan Re: # 291

More people getting poor does not look plausible, as it would contribute to the downward spiral of the aggregate demand and therefore deflation.

#294 Posted by zeemax re#292 Posted by vengatramanan,

No Sir! The demand of the poor is in the most part inelastic.

Just for record. After Tipu's action the KU became a hub for Islami Jamiat-e-Tulaba terrorism. Jamate Hussain Haqani was known to have on CIA payroll now in Boston. His follower was accused of killing Qadeer. The KU was filled with agencies agents. In total 144 terrorist incidents took place in KU after the death of Abid Qadeer. No organization was able to counter IJT terrorism. Then few students gathered at Dr. Zafar Arif’s home and founded USM. When election was held, liberals and PSF got the major seats except joint secretary which was given to a coalition of nationalities. These nationalities included Jaye Sind, BSO, Paktoon, Siraki, Punjabi, Kashmiri and Norhtern Areas (Gilgiti). Altaf Hussain begged to be recognized as a nationality but was rejected. Outside Jang office on IIC road, when USM announced its decision Altaf stood on his Honda 50 and claimed Mohajir should be included in nationalities but was rebuffed again. Later, agencies backed him. According to Asma Jehangir Human Rights Investigation:
..General Jehangir Keramat asked PM Nawaz Shrief to sign orders to investigate Altaf Hussain for working with RAW and British Intelligence. PM allowed but as the general left, Shrief called Jam Sadiq to help Altaf leave the country ASAP. Jam Sadiq did not leave the airport until British charted plane not left the Pakistani airspace.

Brits were desperate for Karachi as a Hong Kong replacement. After Altaf they got gulf. So APMSO was still In Vitro fertilized form. Later the midwives (ISI, RAW M15) delivered it as an illegitimate child of circumcised Pakistan.

Sorry. To complete the story. Soon after election Zafar Arif used USM as a stepping stone and shed all others except PSF. This PSF was different from neighboring NED's PSF where Sifwan Shah was busy in sloganeering "NED for NEDians" on pirated books. So the myopic left wing organizations and especially their leaders are partially to be blamed for current situation in Pakistan.

Re: # 34 NangaPir, you make fiction sound 'reality'...
get a life.

it takes a special kind of mediocrity to tout student politics as worth celebration

Remarkable effort! However, there are many gaps.
Some more ancient history!

Perhaps either in 1963 or 64, there was a major student effort against the Ayub regime. I just don’t know what caused it & what the issues were. But 5 or 6 student leaders emerged out of that. Mairaj M. Khan, Fatahyab ali Khan, Dr. Rashid Hassan, Nawaz Butt and one or two more whose names I can’t recall now(One Dr. Afzal something). They were all progressive and were NSF. I believe there was no IJT in Karachi at that time. While the Sino-Soviet split came in the progressive movement, NSF completely went pro china in Karachi & split in two factions: Mairaj group and Dr. Rashid Hassan Khan group. Someone told me that Dr. Rashid Hassan ended up having his own communist Party or a leftist group. He was active in student politics for a long time but disappeared sometime in the late 70s. The Mairaj group later split in two groups in the late sixties and they were Bari group (I don’t recall his first name). The other group was Amir Haider Kazmi Group. So Amir Haider Kazmi was not in the first group of leaders as you have mentioned.

For couple of years these two groups (Bari and Kazmi) fought against each other in Karachi colleges. After 1972 or 73 IJT emerged on the scene.

The situation in the interior Sindh was different. There were initially two groups Jiay Sindh and the other which you did not mention at all, was SNSF(Sindh NSF). The University of Sindh saw some epic battles between these two groups from 1967 to 1972.
Nawab Yousuf Talpur(now a PPP MNA and sometime minister) was the President of JSSF and Jam Saqi was the president of SNSF( he too is in PPP now and a likely Senator from Sindh)
Some other presidents for both groups were Mehar H. Shah and Iqbal Tareen.

People’s student Federation of PPP later became popular but was never popular in the Uni of Sindh, Mehran Engineering College and Liaquat Medical College all in Jamshoro! Or even in Agri-University in Tando Jam.

DSF Democratic Student Federation reemerged as an umbrella group for four student organizations. Sindh NSF(Jam saqi), BSO-Baloch Student Organization (Dr.Abdul Hai Baloch was the First President), Pushtoon Students Federation( Afrasiab Khattak, now ANP provincial president was the first President and remained that until he left for Afghanistan with Asfandyar Wali when they were implicated in Hayat Sherpao’s murder(Aftab Sherpao’s older brother) Mukhtar Bacha was the Secretary or President for one time. Later he joined Mazdoor Kissan Party.
Punjab student federation. Don’t know much about it!

DSF and other mentioned above organizations were owned and operated by the Communist Party Pro-Soviet union and were under the NAP umbrella. When NAP was banned and later split in Baloch and Pushtoon Groups these students’ organizations lost their support too. NAP was as you perhaps know also provided cover for the Communist Party though Wali Khan hated the communists. Baloch favored the communists!

All Pakistan Muttahida (initially Mohajir) Students Organization (APMSO) was actually formed in Hyderabad in 1975-76 when altaf pai lived in Hyderabad. He was a known informer for the local IB.

One error:
“Famous former members: Dr. Muhammad Sarwar (Writer); Hassan Naqi (Writer); Nazish Amrohvi (Poet); Adeeb-ul-Hasan Rizvi (Urologist).”

Nazish Amrohvi was too old to be a student. He was actually General Secretary of the Communist Party and used to conduct study groups in Marxist ideology in secret for students. He died in the late 80s or early 90s.
Hassan Naqi was an editor of some magazine. Never heard of Adeeb Rizvi.

*NangaPir/HP
Hello. I was associated with NSF (Kazmi) at the Punjab University in the early and mid seventies. This article has been a wonderful way to find out what happened to student politics especially regarding union elections after I left the country in 1977. I have already written to Mr. Paracha asking for more detail of the state of student politics in the 1980s, since he was with NSF in this era. However, I would love it if you two can add a bit more to what you have already written here. Thanks.

Are these slogans still around?


Galay Saray Nizam Ko

Aik Dhakka Aur Do

In Sadiyon Kay Beemaron Ko

Aik Dhakka Aur Do

In Girti Huwi Deewaron Ko

Aik Dhakka Aur Do

HP your fascist ideology of ‘Jaey Sind’ is rotten.

a) All Pakistan Muttahida (initially Mohajir) Students Organization (APMSO) actually started from University of Karachi and National College Karachi in 1976-77.
b) Altaf Hussain initially started as an activist of Jamiat-e-Tulbai Islam when he enrolled into first year of B-Pharm, University of Karachi. He later formed a progressive group – which later turned into APMSO. The idea was to safe guard the interests of Mohajirs against non-mohajirs. The rationale given at that time was:
i) since all other ethinicities had student movements safeguarding there interests why not a students movement for the mohajirs
ii) for the end of quota system
iii) end to religious forces in students politics


Yes agreed Altaf Hussain was helped by the government to organize but that was because the government realized his leadership qualities (although he has completely lost it now) then.

Re: # 41 bhai mitarway , u get lost . talking all BS . You seem to have benefitted a lot from the facist MQM.

Re: # 33

Zeemax,

Thanks Sir for the effort. Can we continue our discussion on the board we started. I, accidentally, clicked on the author's name and the link read ' Anarchist '. I have always been attracted by them. Apart from that I do not think much about student politics.

Please allow me some more time as I have to juggle between the work that I get paid for (have lots for a few more weeks) and the question that has interested me. I think I need to give you a honest and responsible answer.

Thanks,

Re: # 43

Also, I felt you dodged Majumdar's answer by saying that even if the economic growth is inflation adjusted, it will just negate the inflation and still end in the negative. I thought Majumdar's was a right answer.

Anyways, please allow the interators on this board to do what they are interested in and let us meet on DMji's board. Is that ok?

Re: # 38

{All Pakistan Muttahida (initially Mohajir) Students Organization (APMSO) was actually formed in Hyderabad in 1975-76 when altaf pai lived in Hyderabad. He was a known informer for the local IB.}

HP Saeen

I know u r a honorable person therefore these comments would be based on some external source, such as the IB or someother intelligence agency. Since I was personally involved in APMSO formation, I know for a fact what u have stated is baselsss and fabricated. So we have a situation here, whether to believe stereotypical, self promoted prejuidices or someone who was there right from the begining. then again, we live in a world of perceptions built around beliefs closest to our heart.

Saeen, its time u woke up and smelt the coffee, stored prejuidices can never be a healthy recipe.

Nadeem always reminds me of my rebel friends of college days in India. I know of ppl who left studies & joined Naxals.

This attraction to politics is one thing and attraction to left/right ideology is another thing. If leftists started it first (i.e. indoctrinating young ppl in college) then right wingers started it late. We have Hindu right wingers in India and they have Muslim right-wingers in Pakistan.

The political thoughts of Marx and his ilk are valid for their lifetimes but not for ours. We need to have another Marx in our times. Let Marx sleep in his grave in Highgate. The history of Polpot, Mao and others shud reminds us that politics san humanism is meaningless. Marxist tyranny is as bad as dictatorship, coz humans are not gods. Democratic ideology alone has this self-correcting mechanism of human frailties.

As it stands today, student politics in our midst is stuck in time warp. They need to concentrate more on studies than politics. Indian student politics are corrupted by the political parties. Spending crores of rupees for student elections is a norm. This MUST stop. What after all a student leader promises is a cycle/mobike stand, good canteen, neat toilets etc., but he spends crores of rupees for elections which doesn’t pay him a penny!!!!!!!!

It's the political parties who infuse funds into campus elections. It's the time the political parties call quits in campuses, else the outcome of that intrusion is the corrupt student leaders, criminals entering campuses, electoral malpractices and the whole process of replicating general election process into students' lives. This is pure bad.

#43/#44 Posted by vengatramanan,

...let us meet on DMji's board. Is that ok?

err ... I'm too lazy to click more times than is necessary ...

Re Majumdar's answer, I didn't say what you reproduced.

I had pointed to the base-year effect (i.e. the compounding of price change within the period since the base-year till current year) which renders the 'real' growth as rather 'unreal'.

Re: # 47

Zee,

Whats the source of your data? Can I have the link?

What a useless group of secular minded socialists they were? As one would say they did not have an inkling of secularism. They were just those who wanted to avail the best in which way the wind was blowing.

Just have a look at their leadership, and one can easily see that they never promoted the most downtrodden of the lot amongst them (regarding social power), the minorities.

Those secular idiots were after all students, and they should have been fair and invited amongst them the most enlightened amongst the population, the religious minorities, the ethnic minorities, the provincial minorities. They were a lost group of students who had no idea how to get these diverse group of students together.

The young ones in those days are the leaders today. These so-called leaders lost yesterday. They are losing today. No wonder we see a dilapidated Pakistani nationalism.

Re: # 41 Posted by IB on March 3, 2008 8:10:19 pm

And that is where his ass got kicked. If memory serves me right, Sardar Rahim got elected President as a Progressive Student candidate.

[a) All Pakistan Muttahida (initially Mohajir) Students Organization (APMSO) actually started from University of Karachi and National College Karachi in 1976-77.
b) Altaf Hussain initially started as an activist of Jamiat-e-Tulbai Islam when he enrolled into first year of B-Pharm, University of Karachi.]

[He later formed a progressive group – which later turned into APMSO.]

Progressive group? Created on hate mongering and dada geeri?
Are you some kind of a comedian? These people were from the lot of Al-Shams and Al-Badar, that wreacked havoc in East Pakistan. How can such people form a progressive group?


[The idea was to safe guard the interests of Mohajirs against non-mohajirs. The rationale given at that time was:
i) since all other ethinicities had student movements safeguarding there interests why not a students movement for the mohajirs]

That was the biggest lie. There were student's group on National aspiration and not based on ethnic superiority. This group of Mohajirs wanted ethnic supriority, and nothing else.

[ii) for the end of quota system]

This line was stolen from IJT and was used to create hate and the killing fields in Karachi.

[iii) end to religious forces in students politics]

Have you ever attended a Mohajir gathering. They almost always start their functions with a religious prayer. ANd you call these what? You consider yourselves as secular.


[...his leadership qualities (although he has completely lost it now) then.]

He never had any leadership qualities. Nowadays societies demand servant leadership and no one in Pakistan knows the meaning of this new characteristic of a leader. Gone are the days of total "goonda gurdi" and "badmaashi".

From the NSF Days...

"Surkh Hai Surkh Hai, Asia Surkh Hai..."

Instead of "Surkh" everything turned to ...


Ras

#48 Posted by vengatramanan,

I didn't get this info from any website! But if you look at how various macroeconomic indicators are computed and presented, you will see my point.

{Are you some kind of a comedian? These people were from the lot of Al-Shams and Al-Badar, that wreacked havoc in East Pakistan. How can such people form a progressive group?
}

Abay ganjay dozaqi, what does Al-badar and Al-Shams of 1970s East Pakistan has to do with late 80s APMSO in karachi university?? There is simply no connection.

{There were student's group on National aspiration and not based on ethnic superiority}

oh yeah? Which one? and what are their accomplishments?

{Have you ever attended a Mohajir gathering. They almost always start their functions with a religious prayer. ANd you call these what? You consider yourselves as secular.}

Abbay chooran, being secular doesn't mean Anti-Islam.

Re: # 53

[Abay ganjay dozaqi, what does Al-badar and Al-Shams of 1970s East Pakistan has to do with late 80s APMSO in karachi university?? There is simply no connection.]

Another characteristics on the thugs and goons of MQM is that they start with calling names. Nevertheless, that is exactly the point. Those who created chaos in East Pakistan became a major component of MQM to create mohajir's thugistaan. Many Urdu speakers belonging to IJT did not have a home after the fall of East Pakistan (ref. in 1977 election they overwhelmingly supported JI or the PNA) , and they took refuge in the MQM. Changing colors or names is meaningless.

[{There were student's group on National aspiration and not based on ethnic superiority}
oh yeah? Which one? and what are their accomplishments?]

Almost all of them were Nationalist organizations. Jusst to name a few: Baloch Students Organization wanted Baluchistan’s freedom from Pakistan, and Pushtoons wanted freedom from Pakistan. What does MQM want? Freedom from Pakistan? Don't confuse the politics of national aspiration with your MQM’s politics of hate.

They have no nation to generate any nationalistic feeling.

[{Have you ever attended a Mohajir gathering. They almost always start their functions with a religious prayer. ANd you call these what? You consider yourselves as secular.}
Abbay chooran, being secular doesn't mean Anti-Islam.]

This has nothing to do with being Islamic or not. Secularism by the very definition means "not to bring religion in to the public domain". Why don’t you first go and educate yourself with what secularism means, then you can put this word your manifesto?

bubba, are you for real?

a) Your claims of Al-badar and Al-Shams of 1970s East Pakistan has to do with late 80s APMSO – is absurd. Jamat-e-Islami had always had a consistant vote bank but it was the voters of JUI of Noorani (sahabs) party which tilted towards MQM and APMSO. Yes – some of Jamaats voters joined MQM but they were voters and nothing more.
b) 1977 elections Urdu Speakers a.k.a Mohajirs supported the PNA Movement because of Sindi Facism ( Nationalization Policy, Appointments of Sindi School Teachers out of merit, Making Sindi a compulsory subject in schools etc).
c) MQM started as a movement of representation and rights for the Mohajirs of Pakistan (although we lost a chance to break it into national scene)
d) Calling MQM a religiously oriented group – is absurd. MQM is the most liberal and secular political party in Pakistan. MQM also happens to be the bridge between different sects in Sind.

#55 Posted by IB
First you said this:

“it was the voters of JUI of Noorani (sahabs) party which tilted towards MQM and APMSO. Yes – some of Jamaats voters joined MQM but they were voters and nothing more.”

Then you wrote this:

“d) Calling MQM a religiously oriented group – is absurd. MQM is the most liberal and secular political party in Pakistan. MQM also happens to be the bridge between different sects in Sind”

Now how does this match logically? Noorani mian’s voters: Nabi Ka Jhanda, shabarat, mazar and what not. I mean where is the liberalism and secularism here?

“MQM also happens to be the bridge between different sects in Sind”

Kiyoon mazaq kar ria hai!

You are so disappointing that I will report you to Jawaid Bukhari in Karachi and have you posted near kutch, if you are not there already!

HP you are nothing more then a Sindi Facist – who given a opportunity would slit our (Mohajirs) throat anytime.

a) voters of MQM consist of middle classes which are educated and secular. Maulana Noori’s vote bank which shifted towards MQM was of Baralvi’s and most of the urdu speakers are actually deo-bandis to start with but non-practicing. Anyhow, MQM is the most liberal and secular of all political parties.
b) HP Marhoo- MQM is the stabilizing factor in Karachi and Urban Sind. MQM unites Sunnis, Shias, Bheralvis, Deobandis, Qadyanis and other sects – apart from other non-muslim voters. Having said that MQM’s voters are not religious at all but are chauvinistic and nationalistic and believes in the betterment and interests of our people (which is the great Mohajir Nation).
c) Sir you could try to post me anywhere – you would say so because a Sindi Facist Party –PPPP is in power but I’m just one of the million serving this Nation (Pakistan and My Community).


(PS. Btw, you are welcome to have a cup of tea with me anytime – I’m very much in Karachi and pls, CCPO Sahab aur IG Sahab ke kya zaroorat hain – humari bhe approach buhat oper tak hain – Mushraff Bhai Zindabad)

plus the only thing Sindis could do best is 'rob and serve as naukars at our houses' -

Re: # 55 Posted by IB on March 4, 2008 9:26:24 am

[bubba, are you for real?] Yes sir, I am for real. When it comes to politics (only) even your leader was no match to our issue oriented politics in Karachi University. As I noted earlier, we used to continuously defeat JI and their mohajir tolas in Karachi University, NED, and DMC. This is what progressives had to offer, and they did.

Actually, Noorani sahib was much more humane than your lootera group of MQM goons.

Your flip flops have been adequately answered by HP in post 56. Now as usual why don't you just start using your foul language? Actually, the way you guys have been behaving is a total disgrace of the mughal legacy of India.

[Jamat-e-Islami had always had a consistant vote bank..]

You are wrong here. Let me ask then why did Maulana Zafar Ahmed Ansari run as an independent candidate in the 1977 election (instead of a JI candidate)? Incidentally, this constituency covered Jacob Lines also, where the infamous Honda 50 was running busy. This constituency included areas from Burns Road to areas called nine-zero, the mohajir garh.

[Yes – some of Jamaats voters joined MQM but they were voters and nothing more.]

And they brought with them the issue of quota system. This was their prime issue with the Pakistani system of developing every Pakistani. Now MQM takes this issue as their manifesto. Why? Can a secular and liberal minded ever think like that?

[b) 1977 elections Urdu Speakers a.k.a Mohajirs ..... of merit, Making Sindi a compulsory subject in schools etc).]

While growing up in Karachi, it was always Mohajir police, Mohajir peon, mohajir bureaucrat in Karachi courts etc. who asked for bribes. I never found a Sindhi asking for bribes in my entire life.

FYI, it was the mohajirs who were in the institutions of Pakistan.

[c) MQM started as a movement of representation and rights for the Mohajirs of Pakistan (although we lost a chance to break it into national scene)]

MQM would always remain a group of ethnocentric fanatics.

[d) Calling MQM a religiously oriented group – is absurd.] No, I do not call them religiously oriented, but I do call them idiots who do not know what it means to be a liberal or secular.

Re: # 45

rf786:

"...a situation here, whether to believe stereotypical, self promoted prejuidices or someone who was there right from the begining. then again, we live in a world of perceptions built around beliefs closest to our heart..."

You spoke it so well. HP Mian is notorious in distorting facts, and being ignorant of the others, when gets busy with him nono, pico, micro analysis upon analysis. When shown the mirror, his hatred and disreect for facts shows up, he starts spewing out insults like, Ganesh Mutants, and Mother Burners. Hoping such insults will get opposition to the ignorance will go away.

Unfortunate for him, he has no ability to break hands holding the mirror, or break the mirror. Please do consign such hatred to the dump of time. Progressive societies need dreams not hatreds.

Bubba – either you are a Punjabi or a sindi...

a) Sindi and Punjabis are the most corrupt people – it’s a universal fact
b) Urdu Speaking Officers are the most professional and most honest people you could ever come across
c) Quoting HP? What a joke? HP is a racist thug and nothing more!

Ah, another Sons of Soil Alliance in the making – anyhow, stop being ‘jealous’ of our success and grow up!

As someone who works for the Sind Police – all I could see are Punjabi Constables, Punjabi Officers, Punjabis and more Punjabis!

HP is a racist thug and a danger to the society while bubba is a harmless liar suffering from a memory loss.

Don't Mess With The Community !
(in personal capacity)

What is this? anti HP thread?

Debate about student politics is a crucial issue. More people should be talking at this point but they are not. Look how Taliban or religious students have turned the things around. No one realizes what is going on or what is in the planning? They need to know what has been planned? I can see Mohajirs (MQM) moving across border into India and the Pakistan army begging for Indian help to counter rising tide of talibans. Now the generals are on the run and they can not protect themselves not to speak of common man. Suicide bombers hitting war colleges, SSG headquarters, ISI headquarters should be a moment of worry but it is not as Mushraff knows he can relocate easily at his ancesteral home in Dehli. What is going on underneath is the big planning by religious forces to launch Ghuzwa e Hind as predicted by Nehamat Ullah some 700 years ago. He predicted that Persia, Afghania and a new muslim country will first bring religion in their own territory and then will overrun Hindustan. Hindustan will shatter into pieces. Now if you believe in this then you work for it. If you do not then you make fun of it. The progressive guys laugh it away but the religious forces are working on this project. They believe that the USA is now stuck in Iraq and Afghanistan. They have achieved their target. Now it is the turn of Hindustan busting prophesy. One thing is right that the USA is stuck in the middle east for a long time. It took Russians more than 3 years just to retreat across border their 120000 men. The USA has over 300000 (contractors and forces) across 12000 miles. And the USA has armed over 80000 militas. In Afghanistan they had 3000 at one time to fight Russians. The middle east debacle will be twenty times mor worse than Afghanistan. You do the math. The world will never be same. What is the responsibility of a common progressive person at this juncture of history? The Pakistani generals now are desperate to make ties with India. They are ready to give up the Kashmir issue. Pakistan never wanted to solve it as it is a very expensive trade. India spends over 7000 crores in Kashmir. Pakistan can not afford that. But Pak generals wanted this issue alive so they can use it as a pretext to conquer Islamabad again and again. Now they got better bargaining chips in the form of nukes and missiles. Now Kashmir does not matter. It does not matter to general politicians too. But this will be the core point for religious forces to mobilize their cadre again India.

#60 Posted by anil

"HP Mian is notorious in distorting facts, and being ignorant of the others, when gets busy with him nono, pico, micro analysis upon analysis. When shown the mirror, his hatred and disreect for facts shows up, he starts spewing out insults like, Ganesh Mutants, and Mother Burners. Hoping such insults will get opposition to the ignorance will go away."

You just keep repeating the same post you wrote eons ago. Come up with something different, something original. It is frustrating to be abused by a serial abuser like you, who can't even be original in his abuse once in a while...

HBS influence or Oxford U? hmmm...

Re: # 64

HP Mian:

Look at your hatred and rid yourself of it. Only then you will be able to contain your littering of name calling including Ganesh Mutants, and Mother Burners, and abuses that you litter here and on UP.

There is no need to show jealousy of a failed man. Learn to control yourself, else see a psychiatrist and take Massaddi Mian along. Islamic red-neck and his running dog need urgent pyschiatric help.

A 20 year old Sindhi, and 20 somthing Karachi wala are giving an important message to you. Listen to them.

Ranting HBS, as if mullah rants higher authority of Allah is not going to solve anything.

A 24 hour ban by Chowk for your name calling habit did not help you. While at it whatever happened you to your article that you were asking people to wait to start discussion. Some ego HP Mian.

Count on me being here to to show you the mirror. Emphasis is on always.

Re: # 64

HP Mian:

"...It is frustrating to be abused by a serial abuser like you, who can't even be original in his abuse once in a while..."

Frustration for you is a good progress from where you are coming, some day you will realize who is abuser. That day please donot break the mirrors in your home. Others use them too.

Re: # 66

HP Mian:

Should I consider red flags, jealousy of a failed man, or response to his ranting of HBS?

Way to go Anil, it's time to make HP Sauce out of HP - although it will be 'haram' in any condition.

The looser (HP) flaged your replies as 'abusive' - thugs can't change - can they?

Re: # 68

IB Sahib:

Thanks for your support.

One refreshing message that I have found on Chowk is that 20 something young Pakistanis donot hesitate to tell hate filled minds of HP Mian and his ilk, for what these minds spew out nano, pico, and macro analysis upon analysis. These hate filled minds litter the Chowk with Ganesh Mutants Mother Burner name calling, and feel they won. HP Mian has been banned for 24 hours on chowk for such name calling.

Today's Pakistan, like Today's India has different priority that hate filled minds of HP Mians.

Re: # 69 (ouch its' reply number 69)
HP Mian' - try a 69 with Masadi for change! maybe you will change your rotten views..

Anil Bhai - good to know we the 'young' are on the same page!

DOWN WITH HP AND ALIKES...

Re: # 70
IB Sahib:

Change is in the air, your generation can make the difference.

It is the college kids showing at electoral booths who are making the diffference in favor of Obama. Although my candidate was Hillary, but I accept the verdict of new generation.

IB Sahib:

Please check this news:

http://www.chowk.com/unplugged/t/50524

This is the kind of acts of Today's Young Pakistan spell the demise of hatred filled HP Mians who think they won when litter the Chowk with name calling Ganesh Mutants and Mother Burners.

These acts also point to a future filled with hope not hate.

Re: # 61 Posted by IB on March 4, 2008 11:39:40 am

[Bubba – either you are a Punjabi or a sindi...] None of those. Even if I was, then what is it to this discussion? You sir, on the other hand, can not accept facts.

[a) Sindi and Punjabis are the most corrupt people – it’s a universal fact]

That is not what I experienced while growing up in Karachi. All bribes were taken by the mohajirs. The bureaucrats in the government institutions were mostly mohajirs, and they took bribes. You should not deflect what is a fact.

[b) Urdu Speaking Officers are the most professional and most honest people you could ever come across]

Every year mohajir teachers would give test papers out to the highest bidders. Go and check out yourself at the SSE or the HSE board. Do you know where Islamia College is? A bastion of urdu speakers where their claim to fame is "goonda gurdi". Do you know who created Marrie Colaco? An urdu speaking mohajir.

[Ah, another Sons of Soil Alliance in the making – anyhow, stop being ‘jealous’ of our success and grow up!]

No, sir, liberals can never be jealous. Jealousy by definition is only for those who do not have anything to the society they live in except hate. And unbeknownst to you, you have just shown it.

You are a poor wretched mohajir, and your parent came to Karachi for a better living, and look what you have done to a city that gave you sanctity. Your parents were great people who wanted to make a better life for themselves and for their progeny. But, you were misguided by your hatred, and you became ethnocentric fascist. You have no love for Karachi, or for that matter anywhere.

[As someone who works for the Sind Police – all I could see are Punjabi Constables, Punjabi Officers, Punjabis and more Punjabis!] That maybe true in the interior Sind.

But, I pointed out places in Karachi, before the thugs took over the city.

[...while bubba is a harmless liar suffering from a memory loss.] No sir, lying is in your mohajir's DNA. It is all about how ridiculously idiot non-convergent, illogical statements mohajirs make.

You have yet to negate anything I have written.

Did you figure it out what a liberal or a secular group of people really mean? Your mohajir tolas are none. So be with accepting this fact, that finally the new age of information has caught with your crappy hate filled politics, and inshaallah your group will be marginalized in Pakistani politics. Because that is exactly where your group belongs.

[Don't Mess With The Community !] Nobody wants to. We all know that is what your program is. To make Karachi's situation as Pakistan's Gaza.

bubba ..is that a name ur parents gave u (in which case u could be related to Nostradamus) or did u select it for yourselves after going thru the experience of living with yourself? Anyway i just wanted to say that you sound very eloquent, your arguments and logic is flawless and you are the true manifestation of what bubba's all over should be...BRAVO dear SIR

I wonder why the story did not start right from 1947!

Excellent effort NFP.

You certainly brought back a lot of memories. Hopefully some of the people of that era who read your article would find time to write something. Going by the dates in your articles footnote you were not there when the unions used to have elections. Given that, it is all the more laudable that you still managed to compile an excellent article.

A number of activists - leftists, rightists, commies, ... and some, ... are now spread across the US and UK. The Zia era lasted too long and the original BB tenure of early 90's didnt do enough to give the activists the hope to do anything productive. It is ironic that many of the left leaning activists are well established and westernized capitalists - they are doctors, engineers, builder, businessmen, some others are teachers and researchers ... very far away from the life of idealism.

Some of the names that you missed are Mahmud Ghaznavi (KU), Husssain Haqqani (KU), Altaf Shakoor (NED, now head of Pasban), Nasim Shekhani (DMC, dont know where he is now), Sardar Hanif (NED, then PPP), Mohammad Haseen (NED, then PPP), ... I did forward your article to a number of those people. Perhaps they will get motivated to say something in this discussion.

and also , Mateen Qureshi,Rafiq patel, Shakil Hyder Jafri , and I forgot the name of the guy who won the Presidential seat in the era before Hussain Haqqani's two years and Mehmood Ghaznavi's (79-84)two years at KU , and Shaukat Cheema the guy who was allegedlly shot from the Mosque at KU and died on the spot.

I remember reading somewhere that Shaukat Cheema belonged to USM and was killed during a clash with IJT.

Shaukat Cheema Belonged to PSA , which was a part of USM , we were holed up in Maths dept, the info we got , he was Biking around the Mosque with silencer open, so maybe there was some skirmishes , and then we heard he was shot from the Mosque....and Killed .... situation became tense, we had 5-6 Girls with Us, so we walked all the way to Sohrab Goth from behind the AERC/ IBA .

Re: # 79
Shaukat Cheema was lieutenant in army then got expelled. In Karachi University initially he was with IJT. Then there was a fight between Pushtoons and Punjabis. IJT was behind Punjabis against Pushtoons. Lala Asad of QA hostel patched these two factions and Shauket turned against IJT. He never attended any USM meeting but in election he sided fully with USM. The day he was shot he was riding a bike driven by Mirza Ehsan of AJK Mirpur (English department). IJT student ambushed him from mosque and we knew that the politics have taken a Zionist turn. It was similar to Shrief Mecca to start Jihad. Since then the sanctity of mosque has been ruined and the whole blame of desecrating mosques goes to Jamite Islami and it Bughal Bacha Tanzeem IJT.

Re: # 79
Shaukat Cheema was lieutenant in army then got expelled. In Karachi University initially he was with IJT. Then there was a fight between Pushtoons and Punjabis. IJT was behind Punjabis against Pushtoons. Lala Asad of QA hostel patched these two factions and Shauket turned against IJT. He never attended any USM meeting but in election he sided fully with USM. The day he was shot he was riding a bike driven by Mirza Ehsan of AJK Mirpur (English department). IJT student ambushed him from mosque and we knew that the politics have taken a Zionist turn. It was similar to Shrief Mecca to start Jihad. Since then the sanctity of mosque has been ruined and the whole blame of desecrating mosques goes to Jamite Islami and it Bughal Bacha Tanzeem IJT.

yes , the first time a sophisticated weapon was used in an educational institute ,was when Hussain Haqqani won the President ship .. there were allegation of rigging as usual, they arranged for the Oath taking ceremony in the STC Hall, Rafiq Patel and others arranged a protest rally , and were marching toward the STC Hall to register protest and perhaps sabotage the oath taking ceremony.

.... There was this Bearded Guy , I do not remember his name, but he was the Top Thunder Squad man, who opened fire,... first two or three shots were fired in the Air, and then 3-4 directly on the crowd, I think , three or four persons , including a couple of girls were wounded...

and that was the first ever , incidence of the Use of a sophisticated firearm in any educational institute anywhere in pakistan...

Later during the APMSO 's ERA maybe in 92-93 , I was in Lahore I learned they killed four or five oponents or dessenters , right in front of Gymnasim Wall, execution style.....!!...and in the middle of the day...!!

Re: # 81

You are right. Shaukat Cheema was a Jamati who had turned away from them. I met Shaukat Cheema in NED in late 1981. He was a big man. He arrived on the day of the NED elections when Danish Ghani was killed in KU. On that day a number of KU activists (goondas for some) came over to NED, they were carrying automatic weapons and other firearms. If i recall correctly, Cheema died soon after. While on that subject there was also the notorious Din Mohammad Baloch (Boro - also dead now) who was probably a bona fide criminal. Anyone remember Boro?

Also, this is the same time when Tipu (Salamullah) did his deed. It was in KU that he allegedly started that crazy journey that led to a hijacking and so much mayhem.

Re: # 82

The top thunder squad guy ... was it Usman ( )??

No I do not think so, Usman was a regular , though Burly but was a timid guy, this one was outsider, with him there were some JI big wigs, they came in a blue crolla,
I never was into politics , except for joining Liberals, that too , because it had a lot of girls in it.....[ Wink ]
so I do not know , who that was, never saw him again...
...I heard the Word Thunder squad for the first time then, I was a fresher as KU , some guy who was standing beside me , told me he is from the Thunder sqaud....!!

Also Salamullah Tipu , I have heard of him since 76-77 when I was at the College , he used to reside in Nazimabad No 2 near Abdullah Store, behind Nazimabad Hosptial, I only saw him once , at our college elections, He was wearing a black designer Leather Jacket,and was curling his moustaches, did not stayed long .... the next I heard about Salam ullah Tipu , was when he hijacked the plane...

Salam ullah Tipu , initially was in NSF , he later joined PSF at KU.... and was notorious for dealing brutally with the Jamatis... later I learned , he was hanged by the Kabul
Govt in Jail, secretly..... for he was deemed un-trustworthy .

aqarius,
According to my research, the bearded terror’s name was Rana Javed. I have mentioned him in the IJT section.

Nangapir,
Yes, that mosque incident kept coming up in my research. The biggest irony, however is, that the mosque that was built in 1976, was originally initiated as an idea by the Liberal Students Federation when it swept the campus elections in 1975.:)

A mosque issue also came up in 1986, when some IJT members at St. Pat's college wanted to turn one portion of the college canteen into a mosque (I was co-leading PSF with Umair Chapra in that college those days).
We resisted saying that the canteen was no place for a mosque. We were at once called kafirs and one of our PSF friends was stabbed in the perusing clash, but thankfully her survived (He later joined APMSO at KU).
In the 1986 elections at the college the PSF-NSF alliance called the St. Pat’s Progressive Students Federation swept clean the union polls, totally alienating the IJT at the college. We squarely managed to keep IJT out in the cold, and I am proud to say, we did so through a democratic process. I think these were the last elections to take place at St.Pats.

NfP

Anyone heard of Najeeb from PSF? He had this ‘police bhaktarband’ – SUV ; was shot 13 times.

We should all thanks Pakistan Rangers for keeping security under control in universities and colleges (specially in Karachi University) or these thugs would start a riot and kill each-other for ‘nothing’.

Chronology of Incidences at KU:
1. An army major's jeep, who came to collect his FEL result, was set on fire by progressive students.
2. IJT killed Qadeer Abid.
3. A meeting at DOW vowed to take revenge as Dr. Arif Zafar threatens to quit the movement.
3. Tipu, not KU student, next day came with Jaya Bhutto slogans in a white car.
4. IJT Hafiz Aslam (already a graduate of KU), who was going from engineering to library and was due to leave to the Philippines, opened fire with his pistol on Tipu's car. Tipu's machine gunned Hafiz Aslam.
5. Tipu hijacked an aeroplane and got 45 prisoners out of Pakistan some totally irrelevant. For example one NSF (I believe Sirbaland Khan) was due to be released in 3 days.
6. Then the reign of terror started which almost lasted for one year.
7. Then USM was formed which followed by Talaba Jammuri Mahaz. I am still looking for one girl in it. Her name was Mehrin Islam. If someone knows about her.
8. In the election Boro and Shiran went all the way from NED to chemistry department to root out Jamiaties. Despite this these bastards won election thanks to pant wearing modern looking Karachi IJT girls. Even Rafiq Patil was no good as his Jamite girl friend would show up during election and would keep him away from political work.
9. That was the time to get some new fascist organization to counter IJT. You need a prostitute to prostitute a prostitute. So new realities were born.

Re: # 76 Posted by nedian85 on March 4, 2008 9:12:47 pm

Only to add further. Regarding (Sardar Hanif (NED, then PPP)}, he went back to Karachi, and has become a maulana. Back, in 1975 (?) his older brother Sardar Rahim was the President of KU. Nowadays, I understand that Sardar Rahim is with PML-N group in Karachi. Both of these brothers are great human beings, and I am proud to have known them.

I wonder why there is no mention of the leftist 'All Pakistan Democratic Students' Federation' with Zuhair Naqvi of F.C. College, Lahore, its President, which was established soon after birth of Pakistan. Zuhair Naqvi was arrested in connection with the so called 'Pindi Conspiracy' case and, reportedly, died in jail after a couple of years. He was such a promising young student who died in such dubious circumstances, perhaps the only casualty of the trumped-up case. Can any body please tell me what actually had happened to him and the student organization he had headed, which could perhaps rightly be called the mother of students' organizations in Pakistan?

Re: # 88

NangaPir

I was there at the same time, even though it was a truncated stay. What was your department if I may ask.

Re: # 83

nedian85

Danish was a good friend but a Jamaati, but that doesnt mean he deserved to die.

If my memory serves me right, it was Boro who killed Danish by using a long distance rifle and yes Boro also died by the gun and he did deserve the same punishment. Shireen was killed in Frontier, cut into pieces.

As for Cheema, the ex-thunder squad IJT goon was killed by his ex-rafeeq's (thunder squad goons). I had the misfortune of meeting the deceased at the STC cafeteria when he was still aligned with IJT. Not a very pleasent or well behaved person to meet with, certainly not someone you would pick a fight. These guys were part of gangs who operated from KU using hostels as their hideouts.

Re: # 89

bubbba

Sardar went to the UAE and became extremely religious, Sardar Rahim like u correctly stated is part of PML-N and their younger brother started the famously delicious BBQ Tonight.

teshah
It was All Pakistan Democratic Students' Organization (APDSO). It was formed in 1953 when the government banned the Communist Party of Pakistan and its student wing, the Democratic Students Federation. However, since it comprised of mainly left-wing and progressive student groups, it too was banned in 1954. NSF emerged and evolved from the APDSO which was mostly led by former DSF members.

#90 Posted by teshah

“'All Pakistan Democratic Students' Federation' with Zuhair Naqvi of F.C. College, Lahore,
Zuhair Naqvi was arrested in connection with the so called 'Pindi Conspiracy' case and, reportedly, died in jail after a couple of years.”

Paracha #94 or Baghiraja’s info may be correct on that. But I have never heard of Zuhair Naqvi befor as part of DSF. Hassan Nasir was the one who was killed in the Lahore fort by the army in 1958-59. He was part of the communist students.

As far as I know, there was no Zuhair Naqvi who was in the Pindi conspiracy case. The Pindi conspiracy case is now well documented and you can find all accused named at different places on the Net and on Chowk also.

There was one famous Naqvi from Karachi and he was later a professor in Urdu College, Karachi. His name was Jamal Naqvi. I don’t know much about his present condition. He must be pretty old, if he is still alive.