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Sattar saab,

You said that ahmadis consider non ahmadis as muslims. I don't agree with it. Follwing are some of the quotes from ahmadi elders:


Sahibzada Bashir Ahmad says while addressing to ahmadis,

"now that the issue is clear that without believing in promised masiah, there is no salvation, so why efforts are being made to prove non ahmadis as muslims." [Ref: Kalmatul Fazl reported in Review of Religions. No.3, Vol. 14, page 148]

In the same way, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahib tell his jama'at,

"practice patience, and do not pray behind anyone who is outside the jama'at. [Ref: Saying of Mirza sahib reported in akhbar al hukm qadian dated 01 August, 1901]

In the same way marriage is not allowed with non Ahmadis,
and in this regard non ahmadi Muslims are given the same status as mainstream Muslims give to other people of book.

At another place Sahibzada Bashir Ahmed Sahib sums up by saying that,

"our prayers are different from non ahmadis, we are not allowed to marry our girls to them, we are forbidden to participate in the funerals of non ahmadis; so what is there that we can do together? There are only two types of relations: one religious and other worldly; religious relations govern the prayers, while worldly relations are heavily dependent on matrimony; so both of them are forbidden with non ahmadis……… now if one says why we say salam to non ahmadis, then I will say that it is proven from Ahadiths that Prophet Muhammad ( P.B.U.H) used to return salutations of Jews. But promised masiah never said salam to bitter rivals nor saying of salam to them is allowed. So, we can see that promised masiah has made us separate from others and there is not a single relation which is specific with Muslims and then is not forbidden to us. [Ref: Kalmatul Fazl reported in Review of Religions. No.3, Vol. 14, page 169].

Re: # 225

KFC analogy which I did not come up with on UP but someone else. It goes like:

KFC established its brand and then comes a corner shop calling itself KFC and having same logo and so on. Further, it also insists that instead of chicken it will sell pork and still call it as KFC.......

Re: # 210

No dear. You got it wrong. Its okay to lock up ahmadis because they claim to be part of a group that does not accept them. Conversely ahmadis also do not accept non ahmadis muslims as muslims...

Re: # 190
You don't need to believe everything based on story. In fact, much of Ramayana is proved to be true. Same can not be told about Mahabharata. Now the interpretation of the word Vanar may be different from time to time and place to place, but the bridge was built. There is a structure available, where the literature specifies. Mind that, if Ramsetu is a natural formation, it should grow with time, and if in the present form it looks like submerged, then what would have been the status 3000 years back? How come a sage in north India (Valmiki) will predict the natural formation more than 1500 KM down south? He was adi-Kavi, thats all... Most of the Puranas are fabrication (like Quoran).

Re: # 224

By the increasing divide I meant the divide between two faiths, e.g., Islam vs Christianity or Hinduism or Ahmedis etc...

I have to work now

VRV (#218), the KFC analogy is a good one, with the following addendum:

KFC wants to shutdown the corner-shop … claiming only KFC has the right to sell chicken. Then it sends galli ka ghunda to beat up the corner-shop folks … and calls it free market competition …

kaal Sahib, I don’t think zeemax can be trusted anymore (re #213). He is exercising his own intelligence to judge what god would/should do. This is all very un-Islamic, you know. I am starting to get worried about his faith …

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I’ll be away for a day or so folks … may check back later ... it's been fun ...

Re: # 222

If you read my interacts collectively, you'd realise that is exactly what I proposed, time and again. Someone finds solace in the lap of a sky fairy, good luck to him/her. All I am saying is the current "debates" are, sub-consciously, increasing that divide between the two.

However, if we are just here because we like to debate for the sake of debating, and perhaps there is not much else happening in our lives, be my guest.

However, that doesn't change the fact that HE still ain't here!

Believers dont extend their love (as Muslims/Christians/Hindus call fellow Muslims/C/H as their brothers; they dont call non-Muslims/C/H as their brothers) to the ppl of other faiths.

#219 Posted by akcheema on March 4, 2008 4:18:01 pm

I worry abt ur quick burn-out. Pl dont play ALL ur cards at once.

I too am in ur league of non-believers but I always let the believers to have their beliefs.

Believers dont extend their love (as Muslims/Christians/Hindus call fellow Muslims/C/H as their brothers; they dont call a non-Muslim/C/H as his brother) to the ppl of other faiths.

God himself is a crooked fellow. He loves the ppl He loves Him. He screws the ppl who don't love Him. He promotes the ppl who faltter Him.

For me this is the most common human weakness. God is like a humanbeing. God is a ch**ya.

Re: # 219

I think I have given HIM enough time to make HIS views known; like I said, HE ain't here folks, and HE ain't there either! I know exactly where HE is, HE is in a place called NOWHERE!

I was looking around on this site and realised there are sections on cricket here too; hardly any "interaction" there. I take it most of us are still young (physically or at heart!). Why this morbid obsession with Religion and Politics?

We are one sad bunch!

zeemax mian (#213),

God can make horses fly … and he can also make prophets fly. If you don’t see the need of either, it is your problem and not god’s, according to kaal.

So stop trying to get god to pass the test of your intelligence ... and start accepting flying-whatever since Islam says so. This is what kaal is saying.

You should level with kaal and not mislead him anymore; you are the reason why he is so screwed up (or is the other way around? I am not sure …)

Re: # 218

well said; if Eklavya theory about Islam beginning with Allah is true, then what does it matter if the subsequent propagation is via Jesus, Mohammed, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani.......

I really think we should extend an invitation to the "man" of the moment himself; let's invite Allah to share his views shall we? If he hasn't spoken by the next time I get to interact here, we can assume this matter closed. Fair enough?!

Sattar,

That clarification is enuff 4 me.

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I had a run in with Mr. Bhatti on Unplugged abt this issue (Ahmadis). I always maintain that whoever believes in al-Lah is a Muslim.

Bhatti equates Mohammedans to KFC and Ahmdis to street corner chicken shop, little realising that both serve chicken (al-Lah). The only diff is that KFC has name recognition & street corner chicken shop dont have one.

To be fair to Bhatti, he's a bit refined than other Mohammedans on Chowk.

Ironically, it is also like reading Quran, given through a human being, in order to understand atributes of Allah.


Hey, Ahmadi-Muslims are merely doing what early Muslims did 1400 years ago. So what's the issue ...??

#214 Posted by Eklavya

They begin with the human being, and construct up a God that best passes the test of their intelligence at any time.

Very well put. It's like a piece of the Rubik's cube determining what Mr. Rubik should look like.

VRV (re #211),

”How and why u equate Palestine and Kashmir?

I don’t … mainly because I don’t know enough about the issue. But ummah equates one with the other and laments loss of Muslim lives in both. And that’s the point ...

If it is ok for a Muslim to kill others over religious differences, then he should also accept having Muslims killed over religious differences. I hope Bhatti Sahib sees where his reasoning leads him. He should either change his views or accept the status quo and move on.

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Cheema Sahib (#212),

Kaal is alright … although at times, a little too obsessed with Ahamdis. Not that there’s anything wrong with such an obsession. Look how well it has served Urstruly … who is now pondering over time dilation, floating rocks, and flying prophets. Who knows, Urstruly may yet win the Nobel-equivalent from the Islamia Darul-Uloom of Kabul …