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#326 Posted by HP on March 7, 2008 6:37:21 pm
#323 Posted by tahmed32
You were too hasty there! That was not Pundit Laddu Maharaj. He was actually quoting alepo's post there who copied that from Naqash!
You were too hasty there! That was not Pundit Laddu Maharaj. He was actually quoting alepo's post there who copied that from Naqash!
#325 Posted by tahmed32 on March 7, 2008 6:35:26 pm
further to #323 ok. never mind laddu. i just googled, and google took me straight to Naqshandhi's ilog on chowk. Where bro Naqshbandhi approvingly quotes this from omar khayyam.
#324 Posted by dost_mittar on March 7, 2008 6:35:07 pm
akcheema#298:
My "take" on this issue is irrelevant since I have not "submitted". The purpose of my response was to affirm that, to the believer, islam does provide the answer to your question. In the same vein, I would say that He did send the same message over and over again, the only difference is that he did not put in place the same safeguards. Why did he not put the same safeguards earlier? well, the believer cannot of course say that He erred earlier, all he would say is, "Allah knows best".
Anyways, this is my take. But a believer would perhaps have a more satisfactory explanation.
[Re. your response to alephnull, you are new here and it will take some time to recognize the cast of characters and their styles:)]
My "take" on this issue is irrelevant since I have not "submitted". The purpose of my response was to affirm that, to the believer, islam does provide the answer to your question. In the same vein, I would say that He did send the same message over and over again, the only difference is that he did not put in place the same safeguards. Why did he not put the same safeguards earlier? well, the believer cannot of course say that He erred earlier, all he would say is, "Allah knows best".
Anyways, this is my take. But a believer would perhaps have a more satisfactory explanation.
[Re. your response to alephnull, you are new here and it will take some time to recognize the cast of characters and their styles:)]
#323 Posted by tahmed32 on March 7, 2008 6:32:31 pm
HP: you have to admit laddu got it right this time. This arby sand has indeed blinded too many muslim brothers. :-(
Laddu child: Who is the poet?
Laddu child: Who is the poet?
#322 Posted by HP on March 7, 2008 6:16:07 pm
#321 Posted by laddu
#286 Posted by akcheema
Pundit Laddu Maharaj and chacha Cheema,
Aap dunoo hazarat ko ik penchoud ulloo bana raha hai!
This AlephNull aka ahole, alepho and many other nics, is a certified member of Shiv Sena and RSS both! Yes, he is the only Hindu on this site who will be enshrined as the hindu of the hindus.
You two have been really out of your mind or taken a break from your senses to not see the word play there!
Pundit Laddu Maharaj, I had accepted Hinduism and ba’it farmayee thi aap kay haath per because I thought you were the most learned and the smartest Hindu on this site and I will directly have access to Brahmin caste and you promised me that too. But now, alas, I have to revert back to my atheism as you have clearly shown that you are perhaps as big an ulloo as alepho is, who made you look like a cho-tia so easily!
Your former follower,
Sandhi Sharma!
Cheema chacha,
Hain kawakob Kutch, nazar aatay hai Kutch!
This site is not for simple minded folks. You got to check a person’s background via his previous posts before starting your innocent responses. You looked so dumb there.
Alpo, can't let you have fun on this site. hehehehe!
Game is over!
#286 Posted by akcheema
Pundit Laddu Maharaj and chacha Cheema,
Aap dunoo hazarat ko ik penchoud ulloo bana raha hai!
This AlephNull aka ahole, alepho and many other nics, is a certified member of Shiv Sena and RSS both! Yes, he is the only Hindu on this site who will be enshrined as the hindu of the hindus.
You two have been really out of your mind or taken a break from your senses to not see the word play there!
Pundit Laddu Maharaj, I had accepted Hinduism and ba’it farmayee thi aap kay haath per because I thought you were the most learned and the smartest Hindu on this site and I will directly have access to Brahmin caste and you promised me that too. But now, alas, I have to revert back to my atheism as you have clearly shown that you are perhaps as big an ulloo as alepho is, who made you look like a cho-tia so easily!
Your former follower,
Sandhi Sharma!
Cheema chacha,
Hain kawakob Kutch, nazar aatay hai Kutch!
This site is not for simple minded folks. You got to check a person’s background via his previous posts before starting your innocent responses. You looked so dumb there.
Alpo, can't let you have fun on this site. hehehehe!
Game is over!
#321 Posted by laddu on March 7, 2008 5:50:14 pm
Re: # 314
"Khaira na kar saka mujhe jalwa e danish e Farang
Surma hai meri aankh ka khaak e Madina o Najaf.
(The glare of Western sciences could not confuse my vision,
For the dust of Najaf and Medina is the collyrium of my eyes.)"
More Arabian land and Bedioun culture arse licking. Islamism is indeed Arabian Imperialism. The "dust of najaf and median" is more precious than all sciences........ that is simply hilarious!!
"Khaira na kar saka mujhe jalwa e danish e Farang
Surma hai meri aankh ka khaak e Madina o Najaf.
(The glare of Western sciences could not confuse my vision,
For the dust of Najaf and Medina is the collyrium of my eyes.)"
More Arabian land and Bedioun culture arse licking. Islamism is indeed Arabian Imperialism. The "dust of najaf and median" is more precious than all sciences........ that is simply hilarious!!
#320 Posted by bjkumar on March 7, 2008 5:46:52 pm
I absolutely support the Mirzaees' (or anybody else's) right to call themselves Muslims (or Mussalmans or Mohammedans or any other equivalent term) if they wish to.
The term "Muslim" is not copyrighted and is not anybody's baap ki bapauti!
It is kind of fun to watch this multinick creature who calls himself Salim Chauhan go through all his evolutions and finally end up - like the Jinnah - hobnobbing with the jihadis!
Shame on this creature - and shame on this pathetic website for promoting hatred!
The term "Muslim" is not copyrighted and is not anybody's baap ki bapauti!
It is kind of fun to watch this multinick creature who calls himself Salim Chauhan go through all his evolutions and finally end up - like the Jinnah - hobnobbing with the jihadis!
Shame on this creature - and shame on this pathetic website for promoting hatred!
#319 Posted by laddu on March 7, 2008 5:46:23 pm
Re: # 314
"You should be employing your energies and your formidable dialectical skills to advance the cause of Islam, not to erect roadblocks in its path. Did not our Noble Prophet Muhammad (SAW) himself say that the ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr?"
Phir se Khooni Dhamki deta hai?
If Mohammad said that suicide bombers are more sacred than those who insist upon the path of dialogue and reason then he indeed a criminal maniac who should be incarcerated for ever!! Nay! Banished from the face of earth for inciting and inculcating hatred and violence on earth!!
"You should be employing your energies and your formidable dialectical skills to advance the cause of Islam, not to erect roadblocks in its path. Did not our Noble Prophet Muhammad (SAW) himself say that the ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr?"
Phir se Khooni Dhamki deta hai?
If Mohammad said that suicide bombers are more sacred than those who insist upon the path of dialogue and reason then he indeed a criminal maniac who should be incarcerated for ever!! Nay! Banished from the face of earth for inciting and inculcating hatred and violence on earth!!
#318 Posted by laddu on March 7, 2008 5:40:37 pm
Re: # 314
"I am grieved to see that you willfully persist in the sinful folly of apostasy. You are not merely destined for jahannum yourself -- you are gravely endangering the akhirat of impressionable young Muslims through your slick anti-Islamic sophistry! You are the worst kind of murtid – the proselytizing kind!"
Abey , Ulte Sir ke Jinn!! Dhamki aur Gaali kya deta hai!! Tere jaisee bahut Gunde sahi kiye hai humne......
"I am grieved to see that you willfully persist in the sinful folly of apostasy. You are not merely destined for jahannum yourself -- you are gravely endangering the akhirat of impressionable young Muslims through your slick anti-Islamic sophistry! You are the worst kind of murtid – the proselytizing kind!"
Abey , Ulte Sir ke Jinn!! Dhamki aur Gaali kya deta hai!! Tere jaisee bahut Gunde sahi kiye hai humne......
#317 Posted by laddu on March 7, 2008 5:34:28 pm
Re: # 314
"If you were before me I would strike off your head for blaspheming against our Beloved Nabi. Begone, infidelator"
I have my petrol cannisters and pig skin ready!!!
"If you were before me I would strike off your head for blaspheming against our Beloved Nabi. Begone, infidelator"
I have my petrol cannisters and pig skin ready!!!
#316 Posted by laddu on March 7, 2008 5:32:23 pm
Re: # 314
"You are indeed the vilest of the idolatrous Hindu infidels. If you were before me I would strike off your head for blaspheming against our Beloved Nabi. Begone, infidelator"
Maulavi Alif-Null Saheb,
Aap waakai mein akal se NIL hain . Go and read Shahi Hadith if you want to know the true character of Mohammad. He raped women on the same night they were grieving for the death of their husbands and their family members. And he called those hurriedly taken 'forced-consent' under coercion of those captive women living under fear of their lives as "marriage".
It is my time to say - Tauba astaghfirullah!
"You are indeed the vilest of the idolatrous Hindu infidels. If you were before me I would strike off your head for blaspheming against our Beloved Nabi. Begone, infidelator"
Maulavi Alif-Null Saheb,
Aap waakai mein akal se NIL hain . Go and read Shahi Hadith if you want to know the true character of Mohammad. He raped women on the same night they were grieving for the death of their husbands and their family members. And he called those hurriedly taken 'forced-consent' under coercion of those captive women living under fear of their lives as "marriage".
It is my time to say - Tauba astaghfirullah!
#315 Posted by sattar2 on March 7, 2008 4:32:02 pm
Bhatti Sahib (#304),
I have seen several excerpts - from the writings of Promised Messiah and Ahmadi-leadership - which were misquoted, mistranslated, or quoted out of context by those who wanted to incite hatred against Ahmadis. But upon quoting the full paragraph, the objections fizzled out. I suspect the same here … and that’s why I asked you what I asked you.
You initially downplayed the issue, then hinted that you got this from your Ahamdi friends, and now it is becoming obvious that you got this from an anti-Ahmadi source. Nothing wrong with it … but be careful trusting a short, choppy quote that may very well be out of context.
#314 Posted by AlephNull on March 7, 2008 4:15:20 pm
laddu #295, #289, #287
Tauba astaghfirullah! You are indeed the vilest of the idolatrous Hindu infidels. If you were before me I would strike off your head for blaspheming against our Beloved Nabi. Begone, infidelator!
akcheema #296
I am grieved to see that you willfully persist in the sinful folly of apostasy. You are not merely destined for jahannum yourself -- you are gravely endangering the akhirat of impressionable young Muslims through your slick anti-Islamic sophistry! You are the worst kind of murtid – the proselytizing kind!
Alas, you have been misled by your exposure to Western science and by your hubristic pride in your own intellect. Know then that Western science has uncovered only an infinitesimal fraction of the truth that is known to Allah SWT, of which much more can be glimpsed by a thorough study of the Majestic Quran and through the Islamic occult sciences. You should be employing your energies and your formidable dialectical skills to advance the cause of Islam, not to erect roadblocks in its path. Did not our Noble Prophet Muhammad (SAW) himself say that the ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr?
Verily, there is neither guts nor glory in apostasy! Cheema sahib, it is still not too late to repent of your hubris, recant from your apostasy and revert to the Straight Path which is Islam!
In conclusion let me leave you with the immortal words of Allama Muhammad Iqbal Lahori, patron saint of Pakistan:
Khaira na kar saka mujhe jalwa e danish e Farang
Surma hai meri aankh ka khaak e Madina o Najaf.
(The glare of Western sciences could not confuse my vision,
For the dust of Najaf and Medina is the collyrium of my eyes.)
Reflect on these words and you may yet see the light of Truth.
Tauba astaghfirullah! You are indeed the vilest of the idolatrous Hindu infidels. If you were before me I would strike off your head for blaspheming against our Beloved Nabi. Begone, infidelator!
akcheema #296
I am grieved to see that you willfully persist in the sinful folly of apostasy. You are not merely destined for jahannum yourself -- you are gravely endangering the akhirat of impressionable young Muslims through your slick anti-Islamic sophistry! You are the worst kind of murtid – the proselytizing kind!
Alas, you have been misled by your exposure to Western science and by your hubristic pride in your own intellect. Know then that Western science has uncovered only an infinitesimal fraction of the truth that is known to Allah SWT, of which much more can be glimpsed by a thorough study of the Majestic Quran and through the Islamic occult sciences. You should be employing your energies and your formidable dialectical skills to advance the cause of Islam, not to erect roadblocks in its path. Did not our Noble Prophet Muhammad (SAW) himself say that the ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr?
Verily, there is neither guts nor glory in apostasy! Cheema sahib, it is still not too late to repent of your hubris, recant from your apostasy and revert to the Straight Path which is Islam!
In conclusion let me leave you with the immortal words of Allama Muhammad Iqbal Lahori, patron saint of Pakistan:
Khaira na kar saka mujhe jalwa e danish e Farang
Surma hai meri aankh ka khaak e Madina o Najaf.
(The glare of Western sciences could not confuse my vision,
For the dust of Najaf and Medina is the collyrium of my eyes.)
Reflect on these words and you may yet see the light of Truth.
#313 Posted by hamidm2 on March 7, 2008 1:52:16 pm
Re: # 308
salim mian,
is that you ? ........... life is full of surprises
salim mian,
is that you ? ........... life is full of surprises
#312 Posted by sattar2 on March 7, 2008 1:43:46 pm
Urstruly (#302);
C’mon, you’re being too harsh now. The “flying prophets” issue has rattled the cage … zee is denying it … while you are pointificating time dilation and relativity theory to explain it all. And all along kaal bhai has been trying to maintain a straight face - lol …
(kaal bhai, … denial is a river in Egypt …)
+++
Salim bhai,
I don’t know about the ’71 PAF issue. Maybe it was namaz time during the dog-fight … and all the Mirzai pilots decided to face kaaba in unison; what can I say? Question now is … who was the asshole who gave azaan on the communication radio …?
C’mon, you’re being too harsh now. The “flying prophets” issue has rattled the cage … zee is denying it … while you are pointificating time dilation and relativity theory to explain it all. And all along kaal bhai has been trying to maintain a straight face - lol …
(kaal bhai, … denial is a river in Egypt …)
+++
Salim bhai,
I don’t know about the ’71 PAF issue. Maybe it was namaz time during the dog-fight … and all the Mirzai pilots decided to face kaaba in unison; what can I say? Question now is … who was the asshole who gave azaan on the communication radio …?
#311 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 7, 2008 12:15:01 pm
Sattar Sahib,
With all due respect, sir, Muslims do not insist on being called Jews or Christians. If Ahmedis called themselves something else, I would have no problem with them, just like I do not care one way or another about Bahaais - in fact they are pretty decent people, but they are NOT Muslims nor do they claim to be.
With all due respect, sir, Muslims do not insist on being called Jews or Christians. If Ahmedis called themselves something else, I would have no problem with them, just like I do not care one way or another about Bahaais - in fact they are pretty decent people, but they are NOT Muslims nor do they claim to be.
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