How did Hindus Become Vegetarians?

sattar2 sahib, what a pleasant surprise to see you here. Had imagined this debate to be closed, but allow me to make a point or two in Urstruly's 'defense,' although he obviously needs no support from me.

Look, bhai. You can't smear Islam's name with Hinduism's internal problems.

At its core, Hinduism is all human bs. When some bs stops making sense to some Hindus, they begin to question it, and move away from it, although slowly. Far too slowly, sometimes. Over longer durations, however, old human bs is replaced by new human bs. The cow bs falls in that category.

But we can't transfer that problem to Islam, nor besmirch Urstruly's or any believers' good reputation by associating him or her with me.

Islam (you must agree) is NOT human bs (please don't say that it is "God's BS" because there is no way to tell God's BS from God's Truth).

So even logically, there is NO problem at all with humans believing in/fully accepting "two-thousand year old prophet flying above clouds" and so on and so forth. God, Almighty, can do all that and much more, very easily. We have not peeped into the mind of God, nor is He your or mine servant.

So Islam is in a very different league. The reason you, sattar bhai, find one-eyed monster riding a giant fire-breathing donkey unbelievable is that you are just NOT a Muslim.

Inshallah, one day we will discuss the inner logic of mirzaism too. It will be an honor to explain to you why like a lot of mindless sufism, mirzaism is a form of Hinduism, and why Muslims' response to Mirzaism is neither unexpected nor remotely unfair.

Best regards.

Bhatti Sahib,

As I have understood, thrust of Urstruly’s argument has been that … scripture and theology are largely irrelevant when dealing with politics of an issue; defending the current mainstream Muslim ideology is paramount, regardless of what Quran says.

Such a view also reflects Kaal’s take on beef-eating and Hinduism … so what’s the issue here? Urstruly and his Islam are parallel to Kaal and his Hinduism – both simply have to be accepted.

Look, kaal has even resigned himself to being a flat-earther and just wants to be left alone. Urstruly should now remain content with killing an occasional apostate. No??

And unless you are talking about the passport, I am not sure how you define a Muslim. I used to think that kalima is enough … but apparently not! (shrugging-shoulders icon) …

Re: # 150

Dear Sattar saab,

You are right in one thing that if
[if all this makes sense to you, why take issue with Hinduism?]

Thats why using Kal's line of rhetoric we muslims consider that Ahmadi's are non muslims...... Kal will also agree with me on that....

Urstruly (#69),

Your sudden interest in academic merit is laudable … but you are out of your depth here. Since you mentioned Ahamdi-Muslims(#78), the following should make you ponder (but probably won’t) …

On the last prophet issue, at times you’ve commented that a Muslim must believe in this notion, whether it is supported by scripture or not. The issue has assumed the form of a political statement for your ullema … deeming its theological merits irrelevant. That is, politics rules … and scripture is irrelevant. And this is similar to Kaal’s view regarding Hinduism and eating beef!

So I am not sure what is your issue here ...

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And before you get too hung up on Hindusim (re #78), enlighten us on your Islam … about the two-thousand year old prophet flying above clouds … who will one day descend down to earth, on a particular minaret, on the wings of two angels … and will fight the one-eyed monster who will be riding a giant, fire-breathing donkey … and will take Islam to its final victory by killing 70 thousand jews and converting mankind to Islam over the blade of sword ... (takbeer!)

… then there are prophets parting the ocean, flying above clouds to meet god, splitting the moon, turning sticks into snakes, talking to animals …

… if all this makes sense to you, why take issue with Hinduism?

Kaal,

I agree about some Hindus agreeing with me just because there are Muslims around in chowk. As an aside, I have yet to meet stranger Hinoods in real life.

Regards.

#142 Posted by majumdar:

"The best meat from health POV is freshly killed and roasted wild animal (bush meat), although it is illegal in India."

Wrong on both counts:

1. Game like boar and deer, both from the health and taste POV, is best after a day or two (i.e. slight fermentation is good).

2. Hunting is legal in many parts of India. You do not even need a license (except for the gun). I know because I hunt.

D-M Sahib,

I believe that my writing confused you because I might not have put adequate thought to it. I shall try not to be lazy in future :)

i think all hindus should eat beef.A cow being a mother is all bs.We have a growing number of cattle and india is running out of space.

KaalChakra ji

Borrowing terms used by present generation and heard from teenagers in the family, I say, 'YOU ROCK.'

Regards

Food habits have nothing to do with Religion. Dietary habits depend upon Availability, Climate and Body needs of the people. Since, Europe was snow and middle east was desert, these people could not think beyond eating animals.

Indian civilisation being one of the oldest one had sufficient time to evolve. It is not dependent upon any one time fixed declared ideas of God, ideas and consequently practices keep on changing depending upon the result of those being practised at any particular time.

Over time, thinkers/sages residing this area realised the importance and utility of abundantly avaiable flora and fauna and animals around and so put restrictions around. And again over time, they have been proven right. Otherwise, world won't have been propagating Vegetarianism now. We are the most evolved because in our society new ideas were encouraged.

Mr. Muhammad always talked about Dates in diet as well as medicinal treatment because this was abundantly available in the areas known to him. Similarly, he recommended camel
urine for treatment because cow uirine was not available.

Regards all.

#78 Urstruly

Hinduism = Fuzzy Logic While Islam = Crisp Logic !

and Fuzzy Logic = supra-set of Crisp Logic !
Crisp Logic = {0,1}
Fuzzy Logic = {0,0.01,0.03, 0.41 , ........... .96, .98 ,1}

Fuzzy Logic = Multivalued Logic

Only Fuzzy Logic can cope with increasing fuzziness in 21st century !

Crisp Logic collapses (it cannot cope with the growing vagueness in everything)

Nkg,

Ideally we should all turn vegans and stop drinking milk and milk products too. Downside of course is that all the domesticated animals would have to be turned into jungles and they wud all die of starvation soon and there aint enuff vultures left to eat all the carcass.

Regards

(You have to cook all these nonveg items with large amount of spice and fat.)

OK. So you boost consumption of veg products as well.

(Have you tried to taste plain boiled chicken or mutton?)

No. Nor do I intend to. The closest of course I have come is cold meats like salamis, sausages etc.

(I have eaten deer ( you should not admit publicly) meat once.)

The best meat from health POV is freshly killed and roasted wild animal (bush meat), although it is illegal in India.

Regards

The conclusion is, Indians ( not all) turned to vegetarianism quite early and this trend should have progressed. Alas, per capita consumption of meat is increasing in recent years and PETA activists are worried about it. First we should stop pretending sacrifice to God. The animal life is as precious to that of the human being. If you want to sacrifice, sacrifice yourself, why a vegetarian animal like goat,cow etc... has to pay for your sin or lust for heaven. I have committed that sin. I know, how bad you feel.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/kawasaki/bl135.html#jat018

Re: # 139
Not at all ( though I eat non-veg)...
You have to cook all these nonveg items with large amount of spice and fat. Have you tried to taste plain boiled chicken or mutton? How bad stench it emits?
In my childhood, I have eaten deer ( you should not admit publicly) meat once. It has very less fat and smell ( that of goat) is almost not there.

(With low calory demand areas like India, we don't need non-veg food.)

But NV food is very tasty. You shud try out kebabs, biryanis sometimes.

Regards

Re: # 137
I am not aware of that. Lifespan are highest amongst Mongols. With low calory demand areas like India, we don't need non-veg food.