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Re: # 246
"Actually ahmadism is nothing but a sect or cult based on identity theft. If you take out the name of islam out of it, the whole building of mirzaism will come down, which is kind of a funny thing. Just imagine a cult or sect having nothing new in it except introduction of a new prophet for the sake of nothing and want the name of a already existing religion appropriated to itself and the current followers ex-communicated".


Isn't Islam a similar cult build around Mohammed?

Re: #252
Arrey Bhatti sahib. Don't get too worked up about missionary tactics. If there is any misrepresentation going on it will eventually backfire. Truth will eventually prevail. There is no need for coercive methods. That will only undermine your own case.

sattar bhai, aisa nahi hai.

Believers like zee, urstruly, or even bhatti ji, fully understand that their faith NEEDS no explanation. Explanation is the extra gravy, only for those who need it. At the most, one needs to satisfy oneself. (if there is ONE message you should have gotten by now from your many interactions with tahmedji, that must be it.)

Anyways, we should leave Islam to Muslims. It is not for me or for you - people who make their 'faith' contingent upon dozens of preconditions, preconceptions, prejudices.

Chalo, some day we will discuss our own silly human religion - Hinduism. Then you can make whatever god you want, subject it to whatever conditions catch your fancy, and worship that god in whatever fashion you care. Or not worship it at all.

As our co-religionist anil ji likes to say: then your god will become your best imagination.

Until then, let Muslims in peace, please; and live in peace yourself.

I think we are probably done, but if not, please, the last word is yours. :)

Best regards, and goodnite for now.

Kaal bhai (re #180), … to wrap things up …

You started with a bang and a thunder, but did not say much worthwhile. One may be tempted to conclude you are full of it …

Perhaps you felt betrayed when zee finally turned his back on Islam (#220). Urstruly made matters worse by trying to explain flying prophets (#200); it was painful for me even. I understand you are merely trying to make the best of a hopeless situation … even as these miserable foot-soldiers continue to shoot at their own.

So it all turned out to be much ado about nothing. I hope Bhatti bhai is not holding his breath waiting for some earth-shattering analysis from you. There is none; it’s all fluff with neither meaning nor relevance.

But you’re not alone in your petty obsessions. The world is full of fools; each looking for a cause, trying to be a martyr. But it can get somewhat annoying after a while, you know :-)

Bhatti (#228),

You may claim that your Islam supports imprisoning others over religious differences … and it would be a valid answer.

And that would be a good time for you to retract support for the Golden Principle. I am sure you did not mean it when you quoted it; it was all a misunderstanding.

#229: And unless you have copyrighted “Quran”, I fail to see your point.

Urstruly (#244);

Why bother with discussion when your Islam should simply be accepted? I mean, why? … why now??

Try to sort out the meaning of “last” (refer to #195). Unless you do that, it would be futile to burden you with more stuff you are in denial of.

In the mean time, please come up with more theories about flying rocks and fire-breathing donkeys - it is all very impressive. No, seriously …

"predominantly Christian south africa, an Act of Parliament has declared them non-Muslims...."

Urstruly, non-Muslims generally don't get Islam's internal issues, so that would be hard to believe!!

But if true, that would constitute a GREAT victory for Muslims.

Re: # 254

i give you reference from a Quadini website, read all parts:

http://www.muslim.org/sa-case2/part2.htm

Re: # 253

Now thats a news for me. Can you give me some reference like some news item or law site for south african act......

Re: # 252
I don't think that we should be complaining for their efforts elsewhere. The non-Muslim world is God's open territory inviting us to take the message of Monotheism there. But in Africa the situation is not all that hopeless. There are Muslim missionaries active too who have effectively countered the Quadiani prolesytization efforst there. In this regard, Moulana Shah Ahmad Noorani Sahib and his father has an enormous role. becuase of their efforts in almost all African Muslim countries Quadianis are regarded as non-Muslims, at some places by law. In a predominantly Christian south africa, an Act of Parliament has declared them non-Muslims. May Allah bless the souls of Noorani elders who made enormous efforts to make it a reality.

Re: # 250

Yaar Khurran mian. Hold your horses. I am not judgig them. It all started when they start to judge me and my comunity. I don't have even problem with that.

My problem starts when they go to central aisa or africa and start preaching ahmadism in the garb of islam, and the person on the receiving end does not have any clue as to ahmadism's status in Islamic world. Don't you think they should be more forthcoming by telling whom they preach what they are preaching and where they stand in the eyes of other muslims.....

Isn't it below the level of integrity and fairplay......

Re: # 250

I think we should rather be making their lives comfortable and safe as a minority. They are protected people by Islamic law and by constitution (or whatever is left of it), and thus their lives have more value than Muslim subalterns.

Re; #249,
I am glad that you realize that if you were placed under similar restrictions you would consider them illegitimate and fight against them.

Don't judge your Ahmadi friends too harshly. It is easy to make brave declarations from the comfort of a majority position. Living under overwhelming domination is another matter.

Re: # 247

I am sure Urstruly has answered. But as to your question regarding my status with my current beleifs in ahmadi majority; well dear, I would have fought for my right because I beleive that I am right and would have gladly done so despite any harm that may come due to it. This is another dimension where I find my ahmadi friends lacking. They just don't stand up, and I think the reason is that there is some injuction against jihad in there system. When I pressed an ahmadi friend on this, he came up with reply, "Haan kharray ho jain aur muft main maray jain."

They just don't stand up for their beleifs............

Re: # 247
Quadianism in its essence is a unique animal. Islamic fiqah does not allow prolysetization of another religion to the Muslim population (since the punishment for apostasy is death so it is counter-intuitive). But it does allow prolysetization of christianity and judaism to the non-Muslim population of the polity. Keeping this in mind, if a restriction is not placed on a Quadiani for identifying himself as such, he can proselytize his religion to Muslim population pretending to be a Muslim and yet he won't be in violation of any law. Therefore section 295A, B, and C of Pakistan Penal code require them to identify themselves as Quadianis, and they cannot name their temples as masjid, etc.

Re: #246,
Bhatti Sahib,

I do not dispute your points #1 to #5.
However, I fail to see how that leads to the extra step infringing on religious practice. You are free to regard Ahmedis as non-muslims. The State can treat them as non-muslims for its purpose. But why prevent them from calling themselves muslims? Why place restrictions on their religious practice?
Would you accept these restrictions in an Ahmedi majority country?