How did Hindus Become Vegetarians?

Food habits have nothing to do with Religion. Dietary habits depend upon Availability, Climate and Body needs of the people. Since, Europe was snow and middle east was desert, these people could not think beyond eating animals.

Indian civilisation being one of the oldest one had sufficient time to evolve. It is not dependent upon any one time fixed declared ideas of God, ideas and consequently practices keep on changing depending upon the result of those being practised at any particular time.

Over time, thinkers/sages residing this area realised the importance and utility of abundantly avaiable flora and fauna and animals around and so put restrictions around. And again over time, they have been proven right. Otherwise, world won't have been propagating Vegetarianism now. We are the most evolved because in our society new ideas were encouraged.

Mr. Muhammad always talked about Dates in diet as well as medicinal treatment because this was abundantly available in the areas known to him. Similarly, he recommended camel
urine for treatment because cow uirine was not available.

Regards all.

KaalChakra ji

Borrowing terms used by present generation and heard from teenagers in the family, I say, 'YOU ROCK.'

Regards

i think all hindus should eat beef.A cow being a mother is all bs.We have a growing number of cattle and india is running out of space.

#142 Posted by majumdar:

"The best meat from health POV is freshly killed and roasted wild animal (bush meat), although it is illegal in India."

Wrong on both counts:

1. Game like boar and deer, both from the health and taste POV, is best after a day or two (i.e. slight fermentation is good).

2. Hunting is legal in many parts of India. You do not even need a license (except for the gun). I know because I hunt.

D-M Sahib,

I believe that my writing confused you because I might not have put adequate thought to it. I shall try not to be lazy in future :)

Kaal,

I agree about some Hindus agreeing with me just because there are Muslims around in chowk. As an aside, I have yet to meet stranger Hinoods in real life.

Regards.

Urstruly (#69),

Your sudden interest in academic merit is laudable … but you are out of your depth here. Since you mentioned Ahamdi-Muslims(#78), the following should make you ponder (but probably won’t) …

On the last prophet issue, at times you’ve commented that a Muslim must believe in this notion, whether it is supported by scripture or not. The issue has assumed the form of a political statement for your ullema … deeming its theological merits irrelevant. That is, politics rules … and scripture is irrelevant. And this is similar to Kaal’s view regarding Hinduism and eating beef!

So I am not sure what is your issue here ...

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And before you get too hung up on Hindusim (re #78), enlighten us on your Islam … about the two-thousand year old prophet flying above clouds … who will one day descend down to earth, on a particular minaret, on the wings of two angels … and will fight the one-eyed monster who will be riding a giant, fire-breathing donkey … and will take Islam to its final victory by killing 70 thousand jews and converting mankind to Islam over the blade of sword ... (takbeer!)

… then there are prophets parting the ocean, flying above clouds to meet god, splitting the moon, turning sticks into snakes, talking to animals …

… if all this makes sense to you, why take issue with Hinduism?

Re: # 150

Dear Sattar saab,

You are right in one thing that if
[if all this makes sense to you, why take issue with Hinduism?]

Thats why using Kal's line of rhetoric we muslims consider that Ahmadi's are non muslims...... Kal will also agree with me on that....

Bhatti Sahib,

As I have understood, thrust of Urstruly’s argument has been that … scripture and theology are largely irrelevant when dealing with politics of an issue; defending the current mainstream Muslim ideology is paramount, regardless of what Quran says.

Such a view also reflects Kaal’s take on beef-eating and Hinduism … so what’s the issue here? Urstruly and his Islam are parallel to Kaal and his Hinduism – both simply have to be accepted.

Look, kaal has even resigned himself to being a flat-earther and just wants to be left alone. Urstruly should now remain content with killing an occasional apostate. No??

And unless you are talking about the passport, I am not sure how you define a Muslim. I used to think that kalima is enough … but apparently not! (shrugging-shoulders icon) …

sattar2 sahib, what a pleasant surprise to see you here. Had imagined this debate to be closed, but allow me to make a point or two in Urstruly's 'defense,' although he obviously needs no support from me.

Look, bhai. You can't smear Islam's name with Hinduism's internal problems.

At its core, Hinduism is all human bs. When some bs stops making sense to some Hindus, they begin to question it, and move away from it, although slowly. Far too slowly, sometimes. Over longer durations, however, old human bs is replaced by new human bs. The cow bs falls in that category.

But we can't transfer that problem to Islam, nor besmirch Urstruly's or any believers' good reputation by associating him or her with me.

Islam (you must agree) is NOT human bs (please don't say that it is "God's BS" because there is no way to tell God's BS from God's Truth).

So even logically, there is NO problem at all with humans believing in/fully accepting "two-thousand year old prophet flying above clouds" and so on and so forth. God, Almighty, can do all that and much more, very easily. We have not peeped into the mind of God, nor is He your or mine servant.

So Islam is in a very different league. The reason you, sattar bhai, find one-eyed monster riding a giant fire-breathing donkey unbelievable is that you are just NOT a Muslim.

Inshallah, one day we will discuss the inner logic of mirzaism too. It will be an honor to explain to you why like a lot of mindless sufism, mirzaism is a form of Hinduism, and why Muslims' response to Mirzaism is neither unexpected nor remotely unfair.

Best regards.

To put it more accurately:

The reason you, sattar bhai, have even the smallest doubt about one-eyed monster riding a giant fire-breathing donkey is that you are just NOT a Muslim. God, after all, can do ANYTHING.

Re: # 143
Milk products are Ok. Cow provides more than enough milk for the calf. The duration is also more. A calf starts eating grass within couple of months of birth.
Even vultures, crows can survive eating domestic animal's carcasses. I know, in my village, there was a place, where people used to keep carcass of dead animals (specially cow and goat and is called "BHAGARD". It is animal equivalent of "SAMSAN") and inform the chamar. The chamar used to take out the skin. Vultures, dogs & crows used to make feast. It has changed now. Male calf was generally reared as bullock and used to pull cart and agriculture purpose. Couple of male calves used to grow as bull (generally a gift to Lord Shiva as bull is Shiva's carrier). They used to roam around freely and used by owner of cow for breeding purpose. In rural Bengal (what I have seen upto 1970s & 80s),cow, bull, bullock were used throughout their life span. Every year, during harvesting (generally deepavali day), with laxmi, we used to perform puja (cleaning their body, smearing head with turmeric paste. Garlanding with sapla) of cow and bullock for their service to the family. So killing of cow/bull/bullock and eating meat does not arise at all.

Re: # 148
Hunting is legal in many parts of India. You do not even need a license (except for the gun). I know because I hunt.

Ans: If you are caught, you will be doomed. Salman Khan, with his high level of connection in Rajasthan Congress party, is not able to evade punishment from a small community like Bishnois.In our side (Sunderbans), hunting has reduced due to risk of legal hassle.

Re: # 148
Hunting is legal in many parts of India. You do not even need a license (except for the gun). I know because I hunt.

Ans: If you are caught, you will be doomed. Salman Khan, with his high level of connection in Rajasthan Congress party, is not able to evade punishment from a small community like Bishnois.In our side (Sunderbans), hunting has reduced due to risk of legal hassle.

Re: # 130
What this implies? If this guy is advocating meat eating, then he should have been put deep in the jungles of Sunderbans. When tiger will crush his dull head, he will realise what life means.

hunting? i remember my g'pa talks about going on hunting trips in areas arround Fatehpur Sikri, Agra - for black deers, deers - are there any left now? the only sport left for them at Fatehpur was hunting and volleyball back then!

(i respect people who eat veg. - i mean you gotta have control and better morals to ignore meat - bravo ; one of the perks of being is a muslim is : you have this born meat-eating disorder - i remember one of my hindu gujrati mate from birmingham made meat for me every sunday - although he never ate meat )

hunting? i remember my g'pa talks about going on hunting trips in areas arround Fatehpur Sikri, Agra - for black deers, deers - are there any left now? the only sport left for them at Fatehpur was hunting and volleyball back then!

(i respect people who eat veg. - i mean you gotta have control and better morals to ignore meat - bravo ; one of the perks of being is a muslim is : you have this born meat-eating disorder - i remember one of my hindu gujrati mate from birmingham made meat for me every sunday - although he never ate meat )