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zeemax (#191),

If I recall correctly, you used the term ”superstition” to describe the Muslim beliefs in question. But let’s call it "symbolism", if you so prefer.

While the symbolism label is cute, note that god does what he wills (check with kaal – he knows all about it). So a flying prophet may actually exist … and as a good Muslim, you should not feel awkward believing any of this, esp. now that Urstruly, Bhatti too back this up.

Read the latest gem from Urstruly (#200). Once again he has dazzled us with his brilliance. What you conveniently call symbolism … is part and parcel of Muslim faith today. You are living in denial and misleading kaal … it’s not good, you know!

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Kaal Sahib, forget Ahamdis … your own chief zeemax has issues with flying prophets. Sometimes he calls it superstition … and sometimes symbolism. Can you straighten him out first before worrying about me?

Bhatti Sahib,

So it is ok to lock up Ahamdis for considering themselves Muslim. What “Principle of Reciprocity” were you alluding to earlier?

If it was ok for Muslim to kill apostates, then it is ok for others to do the same to Muslims. No? So one should simply ignore plight of Muslims in Bosnia, Palestine, Kashmir … and move on.

#210 Posted by sattar2 on March 4, 2008 3:04:49 pm

Sattar,

U seem 2 be a know-all guy. How and why u equate Palestine and Kashmir?

Is that Jekyll & Hyde in Ahmadis that shows up now and then?

Re: # 209

Sattar bhai, this "symbolism vs superstition" reminds me of the following quote I read somewhere:

“The religion of one age is the literary entertainment of the next.” - Ralph Waldo Emerson.

Eklavya has got it right; he is knowledgeable, likes to learn but does it purely to quench his thirst for knowledge; without having to carry any baggage of "belief"; an enviable position for any right-minded person I reckon.

#209 Posted by sattar2,

There's no contradiction between what Kal says and what I say. If God can make man out of a clot of blood, He can certainly make horses fly. It's just that everyone has seen the former happen but not the latter.

My assumption regarding such things as being imagery was because I don't know why flying horses would be necessary, while making man out of clots of blood is.

Urstruly, you are going way too much out of your way to take the "science types" along.

Were I a man of faith, I would tell hyper smart 'science types' to go take a very long hike.

Understanding God's work 'scientifically' can be/is fun. It may even be a human duty. But God's work can never be held hostage to human understanding now, or at any other point in time in future.

FAITH, for it to not be just superstition, MUST COME FIRST AND FOREMOST. It must be the font from which all else flows. Then, it may be (for many, must be) strengthended with thinking, understanding, analysis, and all other human endeavors.


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Hindus/ Mirzais turn that upside down. No wonder they flounder faithlessly. Urstruly, you CANNOT convince Hindus/mirzais of anything, since they do not begin with God first. They begin with the human being, and construct up a God that best passes the test of their intelligence at any time.

VRV (re #211),

”How and why u equate Palestine and Kashmir?

I don’t … mainly because I don’t know enough about the issue. But ummah equates one with the other and laments loss of Muslim lives in both. And that’s the point ...

If it is ok for a Muslim to kill others over religious differences, then he should also accept having Muslims killed over religious differences. I hope Bhatti Sahib sees where his reasoning leads him. He should either change his views or accept the status quo and move on.

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Cheema Sahib (#212),

Kaal is alright … although at times, a little too obsessed with Ahamdis. Not that there’s anything wrong with such an obsession. Look how well it has served Urstruly … who is now pondering over time dilation, floating rocks, and flying prophets. Who knows, Urstruly may yet win the Nobel-equivalent from the Islamia Darul-Uloom of Kabul …

#214 Posted by Eklavya

They begin with the human being, and construct up a God that best passes the test of their intelligence at any time.

Very well put. It's like a piece of the Rubik's cube determining what Mr. Rubik should look like.

Ironically, it is also like reading Quran, given through a human being, in order to understand atributes of Allah.


Hey, Ahmadi-Muslims are merely doing what early Muslims did 1400 years ago. So what's the issue ...??

Sattar,

That clarification is enuff 4 me.

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I had a run in with Mr. Bhatti on Unplugged abt this issue (Ahmadis). I always maintain that whoever believes in al-Lah is a Muslim.

Bhatti equates Mohammedans to KFC and Ahmdis to street corner chicken shop, little realising that both serve chicken (al-Lah). The only diff is that KFC has name recognition & street corner chicken shop dont have one.

To be fair to Bhatti, he's a bit refined than other Mohammedans on Chowk.

Re: # 218

well said; if Eklavya theory about Islam beginning with Allah is true, then what does it matter if the subsequent propagation is via Jesus, Mohammed, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani.......

I really think we should extend an invitation to the "man" of the moment himself; let's invite Allah to share his views shall we? If he hasn't spoken by the next time I get to interact here, we can assume this matter closed. Fair enough?!

zeemax mian (#213),

God can make horses fly … and he can also make prophets fly. If you don’t see the need of either, it is your problem and not god’s, according to kaal.

So stop trying to get god to pass the test of your intelligence ... and start accepting flying-whatever since Islam says so. This is what kaal is saying.

You should level with kaal and not mislead him anymore; you are the reason why he is so screwed up (or is the other way around? I am not sure …)

Re: # 219

I think I have given HIM enough time to make HIS views known; like I said, HE ain't here folks, and HE ain't there either! I know exactly where HE is, HE is in a place called NOWHERE!

I was looking around on this site and realised there are sections on cricket here too; hardly any "interaction" there. I take it most of us are still young (physically or at heart!). Why this morbid obsession with Religion and Politics?

We are one sad bunch!

#219 Posted by akcheema on March 4, 2008 4:18:01 pm

I worry abt ur quick burn-out. Pl dont play ALL ur cards at once.

I too am in ur league of non-believers but I always let the believers to have their beliefs.

Believers dont extend their love (as Muslims/Christians/Hindus call fellow Muslims/C/H as their brothers; they dont call a non-Muslim/C/H as his brother) to the ppl of other faiths.

God himself is a crooked fellow. He loves the ppl He loves Him. He screws the ppl who don't love Him. He promotes the ppl who faltter Him.

For me this is the most common human weakness. God is like a humanbeing. God is a ch**ya.

Believers dont extend their love (as Muslims/Christians/Hindus call fellow Muslims/C/H as their brothers; they dont call non-Muslims/C/H as their brothers) to the ppl of other faiths.

Re: # 222

If you read my interacts collectively, you'd realise that is exactly what I proposed, time and again. Someone finds solace in the lap of a sky fairy, good luck to him/her. All I am saying is the current "debates" are, sub-consciously, increasing that divide between the two.

However, if we are just here because we like to debate for the sake of debating, and perhaps there is not much else happening in our lives, be my guest.

However, that doesn't change the fact that HE still ain't here!