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#129 Posted by bhairav on March 2, 2008 8:59:02 pm
Beautiful clip of Nepali Dashain Tyohar and Kaal Bhairavji ka Prasad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O9pQaOaMuU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O9pQaOaMuU
#130 Posted by Urstruly on March 2, 2008 9:03:21 pm
The great Urdu poet Mir Taqi Mir has written a couplet about the issue at hand. I hope people will find it enlightening. Here it goes:
Gosht khaanay ko paida kia insaan ko
Ghaas khaanay kay liyay tau kum nah theen kuch bakriaN
#131 Posted by majumdar on March 2, 2008 9:04:25 pm
Urstruly,
Goat meat is indeed the meat of choice for almost all Indian meat eaters- Hindu or Muslim. The best meat dishes in India are invariably mutton based. The main reason Muslims eat beef (and more often buffalo) is becuase goat meat is far more expensive, not becuase of religious sanction. If goat meat were cheaper, most Muslims would prefer mutton.
If I remember corect Deoband too recently issued an advisory advising Muslims to avoid cowslaughter as far as posible on Bakrid.
Regards
Goat meat is indeed the meat of choice for almost all Indian meat eaters- Hindu or Muslim. The best meat dishes in India are invariably mutton based. The main reason Muslims eat beef (and more often buffalo) is becuase goat meat is far more expensive, not becuase of religious sanction. If goat meat were cheaper, most Muslims would prefer mutton.
If I remember corect Deoband too recently issued an advisory advising Muslims to avoid cowslaughter as far as posible on Bakrid.
Regards
#132 Posted by bhairav on March 2, 2008 9:10:14 pm
Clip from Kali Maa Mandir in Tripura
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTUDHgWjHqQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTUDHgWjHqQ
#133 Posted by nkg on March 2, 2008 9:23:05 pm
Re: # 127
Agreed... I am not forming universal rules regarding Saivaites or Vaisnavites. Large section of backwards castes of Saivaites and Vaisnavites follow vegetarianism. I have seen that also,
Agreed... I am not forming universal rules regarding Saivaites or Vaisnavites. Large section of backwards castes of Saivaites and Vaisnavites follow vegetarianism. I have seen that also,
#134 Posted by mohar11 on March 2, 2008 9:26:20 pm
Re: # 128 urstruly
[...Who are holy Shambunath and holy nadni...]
Would you please stop it?... if you know these names, you bloody well know who they are... :)...
[...Who are holy Shambunath and holy nadni...]
Would you please stop it?... if you know these names, you bloody well know who they are... :)...
#135 Posted by nkg on March 2, 2008 9:28:00 pm
Re: # 132
I know. But this custom is changing. Ramkrishna has stopped animal sacrifice in Dakshineswar temple. Frankly speaking, animal sacrifice is barbaric. Whoever does this. Why to kill animal, when we can easily survive without killing it. If a domesticated cat/dog can survive with rice/bread, milk, vegetables, why not we? In India, vegetarians are far less prone to heart, kidney deaseas than non-veg counterparts.
I know. But this custom is changing. Ramkrishna has stopped animal sacrifice in Dakshineswar temple. Frankly speaking, animal sacrifice is barbaric. Whoever does this. Why to kill animal, when we can easily survive without killing it. If a domesticated cat/dog can survive with rice/bread, milk, vegetables, why not we? In India, vegetarians are far less prone to heart, kidney deaseas than non-veg counterparts.
#136 Posted by nkg on March 2, 2008 9:30:43 pm
Re: # 128
Having said that I think Hindus must also encourage Muslims to eat goats instead. As a matter of fact, a substantial subsidy on goat meat may encourage the trend for goat herding business as well. Countries like Austrailia and Newsealand do nothing but herd goats, and their GDP is 10 times that of India; so I am not kidding.
Ans: Ha Ha Ha!!!! Where is land for herding? We are not able to feed people (for high population density). Reduce population to 1/2, all problems of India will vanish.
Having said that I think Hindus must also encourage Muslims to eat goats instead. As a matter of fact, a substantial subsidy on goat meat may encourage the trend for goat herding business as well. Countries like Austrailia and Newsealand do nothing but herd goats, and their GDP is 10 times that of India; so I am not kidding.
Ans: Ha Ha Ha!!!! Where is land for herding? We are not able to feed people (for high population density). Reduce population to 1/2, all problems of India will vanish.
#137 Posted by majumdar on March 2, 2008 9:38:43 pm
Nkg,
Japs are almost 100% non-veg and they have the highest lifespan.
Regards
Japs are almost 100% non-veg and they have the highest lifespan.
Regards
#138 Posted by nkg on March 2, 2008 10:05:59 pm
Re: # 137
I am not aware of that. Lifespan are highest amongst Mongols. With low calory demand areas like India, we don't need non-veg food.
I am not aware of that. Lifespan are highest amongst Mongols. With low calory demand areas like India, we don't need non-veg food.
#139 Posted by majumdar on March 2, 2008 10:57:40 pm
(With low calory demand areas like India, we don't need non-veg food.)
But NV food is very tasty. You shud try out kebabs, biryanis sometimes.
Regards
But NV food is very tasty. You shud try out kebabs, biryanis sometimes.
Regards
#140 Posted by nkg on March 2, 2008 11:09:12 pm
Re: # 139
Not at all ( though I eat non-veg)...
You have to cook all these nonveg items with large amount of spice and fat. Have you tried to taste plain boiled chicken or mutton? How bad stench it emits?
In my childhood, I have eaten deer ( you should not admit publicly) meat once. It has very less fat and smell ( that of goat) is almost not there.
Not at all ( though I eat non-veg)...
You have to cook all these nonveg items with large amount of spice and fat. Have you tried to taste plain boiled chicken or mutton? How bad stench it emits?
In my childhood, I have eaten deer ( you should not admit publicly) meat once. It has very less fat and smell ( that of goat) is almost not there.
#141 Posted by nkg on March 2, 2008 11:16:47 pm
The conclusion is, Indians ( not all) turned to vegetarianism quite early and this trend should have progressed. Alas, per capita consumption of meat is increasing in recent years and PETA activists are worried about it. First we should stop pretending sacrifice to God. The animal life is as precious to that of the human being. If you want to sacrifice, sacrifice yourself, why a vegetarian animal like goat,cow etc... has to pay for your sin or lust for heaven. I have committed that sin. I know, how bad you feel.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/kawasaki/bl135.html#jat018
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/kawasaki/bl135.html#jat018
#142 Posted by majumdar on March 2, 2008 11:17:04 pm
(You have to cook all these nonveg items with large amount of spice and fat.)
OK. So you boost consumption of veg products as well.
(Have you tried to taste plain boiled chicken or mutton?)
No. Nor do I intend to. The closest of course I have come is cold meats like salamis, sausages etc.
(I have eaten deer ( you should not admit publicly) meat once.)
The best meat from health POV is freshly killed and roasted wild animal (bush meat), although it is illegal in India.
Regards
OK. So you boost consumption of veg products as well.
(Have you tried to taste plain boiled chicken or mutton?)
No. Nor do I intend to. The closest of course I have come is cold meats like salamis, sausages etc.
(I have eaten deer ( you should not admit publicly) meat once.)
The best meat from health POV is freshly killed and roasted wild animal (bush meat), although it is illegal in India.
Regards
#143 Posted by majumdar on March 2, 2008 11:19:16 pm
Nkg,
Ideally we should all turn vegans and stop drinking milk and milk products too. Downside of course is that all the domesticated animals would have to be turned into jungles and they wud all die of starvation soon and there aint enuff vultures left to eat all the carcass.
Regards
Ideally we should all turn vegans and stop drinking milk and milk products too. Downside of course is that all the domesticated animals would have to be turned into jungles and they wud all die of starvation soon and there aint enuff vultures left to eat all the carcass.
Regards
#144 Posted by uba on March 3, 2008 1:33:05 am
#78 Urstruly
Hinduism = Fuzzy Logic While Islam = Crisp Logic !
and Fuzzy Logic = supra-set of Crisp Logic !
Crisp Logic = {0,1}
Fuzzy Logic = {0,0.01,0.03, 0.41 , ........... .96, .98 ,1}
Fuzzy Logic = Multivalued Logic
Only Fuzzy Logic can cope with increasing fuzziness in 21st century !
Crisp Logic collapses (it cannot cope with the growing vagueness in everything)
Hinduism = Fuzzy Logic While Islam = Crisp Logic !
and Fuzzy Logic = supra-set of Crisp Logic !
Crisp Logic = {0,1}
Fuzzy Logic = {0,0.01,0.03, 0.41 , ........... .96, .98 ,1}
Fuzzy Logic = Multivalued Logic
Only Fuzzy Logic can cope with increasing fuzziness in 21st century !
Crisp Logic collapses (it cannot cope with the growing vagueness in everything)
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