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#286 Posted by hamidm2 on March 10, 2008 6:39:29 am
Re: # 282
zeemax,
..... i think you 'real' muslims suffer from an image problem - maybe you should use me as a poster boy for 'moderate' islam even thought you think i am a paki-muslim-american-murtid ...... i can help you with guys like laddu and also help to liberate kashmir .....
zeemax,
..... i think you 'real' muslims suffer from an image problem - maybe you should use me as a poster boy for 'moderate' islam even thought you think i am a paki-muslim-american-murtid ...... i can help you with guys like laddu and also help to liberate kashmir .....
#285 Posted by Pardesi on March 10, 2008 6:36:19 am
#260 Dr. Cheema
"Look at the European Union for God’s sake; these guys were killing each other in the name of silly nationalisms. Now they are under one flag with most using the same monitory unit; that is progress my friends. OUR problems can ALL be solved within a quarter of a century; we need somone with vision as leaders and a collective thinking as mature nations"
The sub-continent lost its golden opportunity in 1947 to put behind the religious differences and create an educated forward looking secular elite that can control and guide the "unwashed masses". Anyway, that's history.
Going forward, EU model can only be repeated in our part of the world if the underlying units have common values - secular institutions, market oriented economy, law and order for common person. This is absolutely necessary for corporations to relocate/migrate from one state to another and managers/employees to have equal opportunity and protection in ALL parts of the union.
As you know, sticking point will be secular constitution and implementation of it. Is India perfect on this score? No (remember 1984, 2002?). Is it aheard of Pakistan by miles? Absolutely.
Until then, we will be abusing, cursing and be careful of each other like enemies with break here and there of peaceful gestures, sports events or cultural events.
And as you said, common man's misery will continue since valuable resources are being wasted.
"Look at the European Union for God’s sake; these guys were killing each other in the name of silly nationalisms. Now they are under one flag with most using the same monitory unit; that is progress my friends. OUR problems can ALL be solved within a quarter of a century; we need somone with vision as leaders and a collective thinking as mature nations"
The sub-continent lost its golden opportunity in 1947 to put behind the religious differences and create an educated forward looking secular elite that can control and guide the "unwashed masses". Anyway, that's history.
Going forward, EU model can only be repeated in our part of the world if the underlying units have common values - secular institutions, market oriented economy, law and order for common person. This is absolutely necessary for corporations to relocate/migrate from one state to another and managers/employees to have equal opportunity and protection in ALL parts of the union.
As you know, sticking point will be secular constitution and implementation of it. Is India perfect on this score? No (remember 1984, 2002?). Is it aheard of Pakistan by miles? Absolutely.
Until then, we will be abusing, cursing and be careful of each other like enemies with break here and there of peaceful gestures, sports events or cultural events.
And as you said, common man's misery will continue since valuable resources are being wasted.
#283 Posted by tahmed32 on March 10, 2008 6:32:43 am
pakistani hypocrites like masadi play the victim card with the US.
indian hyopcrites like laddu play the victim card with Pakistan.
same difference. ha! ha!
indian hyopcrites like laddu play the victim card with Pakistan.
same difference. ha! ha!
#282 Posted by zeemax on March 10, 2008 6:31:35 am
Laddu why don't you stop beating about your soiled dhoti and answer the question?
#281 Posted by tahmed32 on March 10, 2008 6:30:19 am
#280 you have demonstrated yourself to be a hypocrite. and a liar. i am merely describing you.
and i am having fun with a fool like you, lad-turned-to-laddu-after-hindutva-brainwashing.
and i am having fun with a fool like you, lad-turned-to-laddu-after-hindutva-brainwashing.
#280 Posted by laddu on March 10, 2008 6:22:31 am
Re: # 279
calling another person "hypocrite" is exactly what a seething mullah does when stumped with uncomfortable questions.
and BTW, this is also an ad-hominem that mullahs do not understand!!
calling another person "hypocrite" is exactly what a seething mullah does when stumped with uncomfortable questions.
and BTW, this is also an ad-hominem that mullahs do not understand!!
#279 Posted by tahmed32 on March 10, 2008 6:20:12 am
laddu #277 quit stalling, hypocrite from india. you know very well what the question is and which post it is. you just want to ignore it - because you enjoy demonizing pakistanis too much. just like many of your illustrious elders on chowk.
and where did i call anyone names like murtid or munafik, you lying genius from india?
and where did i call anyone names like murtid or munafik, you lying genius from india?
#278 Posted by laddu on March 10, 2008 6:09:01 am
Re: # 274
last post was to mullah hatemad32 saheb!!
last post was to mullah hatemad32 saheb!!
#277 Posted by laddu on March 10, 2008 6:07:59 am
What questions did you raise?
And how does it answer my claim about Paki hatred for Hindu idolators taught to their young ones from their childhood days?
This is clearly mullah-gardi - call a person murtid and munafique when you do not have an answer to his claims.
Sure, you do have an affinity to the mullahs!!
And how does it answer my claim about Paki hatred for Hindu idolators taught to their young ones from their childhood days?
This is clearly mullah-gardi - call a person murtid and munafique when you do not have an answer to his claims.
Sure, you do have an affinity to the mullahs!!
#276 Posted by laddu on March 10, 2008 5:59:53 am
Re: # 275
I agree.......infact Bollywood is responsible for the sanity of Pakistani kids.........
I agree.......infact Bollywood is responsible for the sanity of Pakistani kids.........
#275 Posted by hamidm2 on March 10, 2008 5:38:23 am
laddu mian,
..... if it is any consolation, you should know that most paki kids spend a lot more time watching indian movies than reading their text books ...... so, if you can get bollywood to put in subliminal messages in their movies you can probably turn pakis into a nation of heeng eating hindoos within a generation ....... i can assure you that sharukh khan and aishwarya are more popular in pakistan than the prophet muhammed (pbuh and his camel)
#274 Posted by tahmed32 on March 10, 2008 5:37:38 am
add this to my last sentence in #273:
so of course you are a hypocrite!!
so of course you are a hypocrite!!
#273 Posted by tahmed32 on March 10, 2008 5:36:45 am
laddu #272 of course i can question your credentials based on your chowk behavior - you plaster chowk with your "victim cards" demonizing pakistanis. and in three posts you have refused to answer my question in #268 concerning the brutal torture and murder in jail of a young man from Pakistan.
#272 Posted by laddu on March 10, 2008 5:30:00 am
Re: # 271
ad-hominem when instead of refuting the argument you try to question my credentials.........
If you have guts , then change your Paki school text book's curriculum of hate..
ad-hominem when instead of refuting the argument you try to question my credentials.........
If you have guts , then change your Paki school text book's curriculum of hate..
#271 Posted by tahmed32 on March 10, 2008 5:12:40 am
laddu #270 what is ad hominem in saying that you are a hypocrite when you play the victim card on chowk? and is this your answer to my question in #268!!
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