H P March 1, 2008
#398 Posted by jayp on March 11, 2008 1:15:21 am
Success of pak policy,
Pakistan hoped that by sending in the jihadis to kashmir, indian troops will be restricted to the barracks while the jihadis rule the streets.
Finally that approach has succeded in NWFP. The generals have ordered the troops to be in the forts for fear that they will go out and surrender to the jihadis or slaughtered by them. The war in NWFP is fought bt the helicopters and predators.
With the latest bombings, the pak troops are refusing to come out in the city streets, the soldiers have already been ordered not come out in their military uniforms. At last the streets are left to the jihadis.
With the number of roberies increasing dramatically, the jihadis are well endowed, at last there is some sort of wealth re-distribution in pakistan. Jihad is good for the abdul pakis.
Pakistan hoped that by sending in the jihadis to kashmir, indian troops will be restricted to the barracks while the jihadis rule the streets.
Finally that approach has succeded in NWFP. The generals have ordered the troops to be in the forts for fear that they will go out and surrender to the jihadis or slaughtered by them. The war in NWFP is fought bt the helicopters and predators.
With the latest bombings, the pak troops are refusing to come out in the city streets, the soldiers have already been ordered not come out in their military uniforms. At last the streets are left to the jihadis.
With the number of roberies increasing dramatically, the jihadis are well endowed, at last there is some sort of wealth re-distribution in pakistan. Jihad is good for the abdul pakis.
#397 Posted by majumdar on March 11, 2008 1:01:46 am
Masadi sahib,
Re: 396
Very true. And that's why I have put up a thread "Sau chuhey kha kar..." on UP!!!
Regards
Re: 396
Very true. And that's why I have put up a thread "Sau chuhey kha kar..." on UP!!!
Regards
#396 Posted by masadi on March 11, 2008 12:12:57 am
Majumdar writes "Masadi sahib,
This should warm your heart!!!
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008311story_11-3-2 008_pg1_2
Kissinger advises US not to manipulate Pakistan’s politics"
Maj mian, this is the same Kissinger that made an "example" of ZAB through the Pakistan Army. TO understand where he's coming from note as I mentioned earlier that about the two types among the US elite that bicker often enough, the "sophisticated and the shock troops" or let me rephrase the hypocrites and the hawks, this person belongs to the "hawks", even though both share similar motives the hypocrites (sophisticated) ones pass the democracy buck and legitimize the military through that avenue, the hawks don't even want the stop-gap, his comments reflect merely the desire to let the Pakistan Army have its barbaric go, and so his comments are directed at the hypocrites (sophisticated) members who sloganize democracy just to have smooth transitions to military rule...the guy is a first rate sob.
This should warm your heart!!!
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008311story_11-3-2 008_pg1_2
Kissinger advises US not to manipulate Pakistan’s politics"
Maj mian, this is the same Kissinger that made an "example" of ZAB through the Pakistan Army. TO understand where he's coming from note as I mentioned earlier that about the two types among the US elite that bicker often enough, the "sophisticated and the shock troops" or let me rephrase the hypocrites and the hawks, this person belongs to the "hawks", even though both share similar motives the hypocrites (sophisticated) ones pass the democracy buck and legitimize the military through that avenue, the hawks don't even want the stop-gap, his comments reflect merely the desire to let the Pakistan Army have its barbaric go, and so his comments are directed at the hypocrites (sophisticated) members who sloganize democracy just to have smooth transitions to military rule...the guy is a first rate sob.
#395 Posted by laddu on March 10, 2008 10:59:56 pm
Who would put back the Islami Jinn in the bottle????
Is it possible anymore??
How can people dare talk against Jehad???
Suicide bomber kills 40 at tribal peace meet in Pak
2 Mar 2008, 1651 hrs IST,AP
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PESHAWAR: A suicide bomber blew himself up at a peace meeting of tribal elders in northwestern Pakistan on Sunday, killing at least 40 people and wounding more than 100, witnesses and officials said.
Thousands of people were attending the meeting when the blast took place, Interior Ministry spokesman Javed Iqbal Cheema told state-run Pakistan Television .
Is it possible anymore??
How can people dare talk against Jehad???
Suicide bomber kills 40 at tribal peace meet in Pak
2 Mar 2008, 1651 hrs IST,AP
Print Save EMail Write to Editor
PESHAWAR: A suicide bomber blew himself up at a peace meeting of tribal elders in northwestern Pakistan on Sunday, killing at least 40 people and wounding more than 100, witnesses and officials said.
Thousands of people were attending the meeting when the blast took place, Interior Ministry spokesman Javed Iqbal Cheema told state-run Pakistan Television .
#394 Posted by laddu on March 10, 2008 10:56:48 pm
Re: # 369
hamid mia,
why not hold referendum in Pakistan whether Baloochistanis want to live with Punjabis.
Or for that matter Sindhis want to live with Punjabi....
Or Mohajirs ..... or The Talibs.
or Whether Shias want to live with Sunnis.....
or whether Muslims in America want to live with the White Christian guys....
come on.....the nuisance value of questions of "difference" is enormous.........
Why not have a referendum in America if they want Pakis around or not - doodh ka doodh paani ka paani ho jayega!!!
hamid mia,
why not hold referendum in Pakistan whether Baloochistanis want to live with Punjabis.
Or for that matter Sindhis want to live with Punjabi....
Or Mohajirs ..... or The Talibs.
or Whether Shias want to live with Sunnis.....
or whether Muslims in America want to live with the White Christian guys....
come on.....the nuisance value of questions of "difference" is enormous.........
Why not have a referendum in America if they want Pakis around or not - doodh ka doodh paani ka paani ho jayega!!!
#393 Posted by majumdar on March 10, 2008 10:35:06 pm
Masadi sahib,
This should warm your heart!!!
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20083\11\story_11-3-2 008_pg1_2
Kissinger advises US not to manipulate Pakistan’s politics
By Khalid Hasan
WASHINGTON: Henry Kissinger has called on US leadership to focus on international security objectives in dealing with an emerging Pakistani leadership.
According to the former US foreign policy wizard, “At this point, any attempt to manipulate the political process that we have urged is likely to backfire. A wise policy must recognise that the internal structure of Pakistani politics is essentially out of control of American political decision-making. Construction of a centrist coalition is a commendable goal, but the conditions for it can only be nurtured by Pakistani political forces and, in the absence of a centre, require patience over a period of time.”
In an op-ed piece carried by Washington Post on Monday, Kissinger writes, “Our democratic principles should be clearly conveyed, but we should have learned by now that the evolution of the immediate political process is beyond our reach. Common approaches on the security issues are necessary, including an end of ambiguity towards terrorist enclaves.” He notes that for most of its history, Pakistani leaders have acted on the principle that good relations with the US were in Pakistan’s national interest. He adds, “A strategic consensus remains imperative. If that effort fails, many countries will be affected, and, perhaps more immediately, Pakistan’s stability should not be viewed as an exclusively American challenge.” He also calls for reconciling “ambivalent attitudes at home”, but warns that the two objectives many only be attainable “on different time scales.”
Regards
This should warm your heart!!!
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20083\11\story_11-3-2 008_pg1_2
Kissinger advises US not to manipulate Pakistan’s politics
By Khalid Hasan
WASHINGTON: Henry Kissinger has called on US leadership to focus on international security objectives in dealing with an emerging Pakistani leadership.
According to the former US foreign policy wizard, “At this point, any attempt to manipulate the political process that we have urged is likely to backfire. A wise policy must recognise that the internal structure of Pakistani politics is essentially out of control of American political decision-making. Construction of a centrist coalition is a commendable goal, but the conditions for it can only be nurtured by Pakistani political forces and, in the absence of a centre, require patience over a period of time.”
In an op-ed piece carried by Washington Post on Monday, Kissinger writes, “Our democratic principles should be clearly conveyed, but we should have learned by now that the evolution of the immediate political process is beyond our reach. Common approaches on the security issues are necessary, including an end of ambiguity towards terrorist enclaves.” He notes that for most of its history, Pakistani leaders have acted on the principle that good relations with the US were in Pakistan’s national interest. He adds, “A strategic consensus remains imperative. If that effort fails, many countries will be affected, and, perhaps more immediately, Pakistan’s stability should not be viewed as an exclusively American challenge.” He also calls for reconciling “ambivalent attitudes at home”, but warns that the two objectives many only be attainable “on different time scales.”
Regards
#392 Posted by Ananth07 on March 10, 2008 10:34:36 pm
#386
do you mean to say that western domination will go on for ever ?
I don’t think so
numbres don’t lie… It is for each one to interpret how he he wants it. Only by looking at historical numbers .. India can get the confidence to gain the rightful place at the top.
With US entering a recession… It is China and Inida which are providing most of the global Growth.
do you mean to say that western domination will go on for ever ?
I don’t think so
numbres don’t lie… It is for each one to interpret how he he wants it. Only by looking at historical numbers .. India can get the confidence to gain the rightful place at the top.
With US entering a recession… It is China and Inida which are providing most of the global Growth.
#391 Posted by majumdar on March 10, 2008 10:28:54 pm
Amin sahib,
Re: 390
It's just harmless timepass.
Regards
Re: 390
It's just harmless timepass.
Regards
#390 Posted by pavocavalry on March 10, 2008 10:27:18 pm
"criticism for criticisms's sake , jugglery of words" this is the essence of many interacts on CHOWK.
#388 Posted by majumdar on March 10, 2008 10:18:59 pm
Masadi sahib,
Very unfortunate. Looks like 20 people were killed and scores injured. May God give peace to the departed's souls and speedy recovery to the injured.
Regards
Very unfortunate. Looks like 20 people were killed and scores injured. May God give peace to the departed's souls and speedy recovery to the injured.
Regards
#386 Posted by HP on March 10, 2008 10:12:38 pm
#384
"In 1500 CE India was contributing roughly 25% of the world GDP. It started declining slightly under the Islamic colonial rule…"
Only naive believe in stupid studies like this. Analyze the numbers and the reason for the so called 25%. Then international trade was minimal and the economies were agrarian. India being a vast agricultural economy and plenty of population or hands to work in the fields, perhaps had those kinds of numbers but that does not mean that India was a rich country. It was still a poor country! Once the industrialization took over those numbers dropped and had no relevancy. Copying some ridiculous numbers from some idiotic study, don't make the whole truth!
"In 1500 CE India was contributing roughly 25% of the world GDP. It started declining slightly under the Islamic colonial rule…"
Only naive believe in stupid studies like this. Analyze the numbers and the reason for the so called 25%. Then international trade was minimal and the economies were agrarian. India being a vast agricultural economy and plenty of population or hands to work in the fields, perhaps had those kinds of numbers but that does not mean that India was a rich country. It was still a poor country! Once the industrialization took over those numbers dropped and had no relevancy. Copying some ridiculous numbers from some idiotic study, don't make the whole truth!
#385 Posted by masadi on March 10, 2008 10:10:09 pm
There were two bomb explosions in Lahore today. One near Regal Chowk targeting the FIA building, the other in Model Town at some advertising agency office. Authorities fear heavy casualties especially at the FIA building which as I hear was reduced to rubble
#384 Posted by Ananth07 on March 10, 2008 9:59:00 pm
#380
Two world wars had one good thing coming out of them…..to bring end to the 500 years of crippling colonial rule.
Angus Maddison has studied the comparative GDPs of different nations. In 1500 CE India was contributing roughly 25% of the world GDP. It started declining slightly under the Islamic colonial rule… but declined dramaticaly under the european colonial rule. By 1947… india contributed only abt 3% of world GDP…. Gandhi / nehru / indira inherited such a weak economy. Today India is on the upswing… thanks to the foundation laid during the early years sfter independenec.
Two world wars had one good thing coming out of them…..to bring end to the 500 years of crippling colonial rule.
Angus Maddison has studied the comparative GDPs of different nations. In 1500 CE India was contributing roughly 25% of the world GDP. It started declining slightly under the Islamic colonial rule… but declined dramaticaly under the european colonial rule. By 1947… india contributed only abt 3% of world GDP…. Gandhi / nehru / indira inherited such a weak economy. Today India is on the upswing… thanks to the foundation laid during the early years sfter independenec.
#383 Posted by HP on March 10, 2008 9:51:39 pm
#381
"They have learnt their lessons and moved on in a big way."
Not so fast! the US, British and the NATO armies from the Europe are still in Iraq and Afghanistan and are involved in fighting. Vietnam is not an ancient history yet. You perhaps drink so much koolaid that you can only find fault with the poor browns, black and yellow.
Look around you the world is a different place!
Pakistan and India will become friends when the time is right until then this pacifism does not impress many!
"They have learnt their lessons and moved on in a big way."
Not so fast! the US, British and the NATO armies from the Europe are still in Iraq and Afghanistan and are involved in fighting. Vietnam is not an ancient history yet. You perhaps drink so much koolaid that you can only find fault with the poor browns, black and yellow.
Look around you the world is a different place!
Pakistan and India will become friends when the time is right until then this pacifism does not impress many!
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