H P March 1, 2008
#1 Posted by ana on March 7, 2008 10:37:50 pm
I hope it does not come to what happened in Chile in 1973.
In the seventies, two papers were dropped in front of our house. One was The Pakistan Times, and one was Nawaiwaqt.
I will wait to read the responses to this, the anti-"Punjoos" will no doubt have plenty to say.
Is there more after this?
In the seventies, two papers were dropped in front of our house. One was The Pakistan Times, and one was Nawaiwaqt.
I will wait to read the responses to this, the anti-"Punjoos" will no doubt have plenty to say.
Is there more after this?
#2 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on March 7, 2008 10:45:47 pm
HP
``So should I just call it the “Nawaiwaqt Generation,”
No. Time has gone way past Nawaiwaqt & its outdated ideologies. There have been since reasonable time many other Newspapers & TV channels that now nearing 50. There is now a flood of information now reaching an ordinary citizen.
Civil society now includes a vast array of people from different backgrounds, areas, professions & education - most of them who do not even read vernacular Press.
CJP is to be given credit for saying NO - it was a routine matter for the establishment to remove an irritants like CJP by a show of force by the plainclothes men. The lawyers & public realized that if CJP could be physically mishandled by police in this manner, so could they be. TV played the crucial role.
regards
NHK
``So should I just call it the “Nawaiwaqt Generation,”
No. Time has gone way past Nawaiwaqt & its outdated ideologies. There have been since reasonable time many other Newspapers & TV channels that now nearing 50. There is now a flood of information now reaching an ordinary citizen.
Civil society now includes a vast array of people from different backgrounds, areas, professions & education - most of them who do not even read vernacular Press.
CJP is to be given credit for saying NO - it was a routine matter for the establishment to remove an irritants like CJP by a show of force by the plainclothes men. The lawyers & public realized that if CJP could be physically mishandled by police in this manner, so could they be. TV played the crucial role.
regards
NHK
#3 Posted by ana on March 7, 2008 10:58:09 pm
The definition of civil society according to the London School of Economics:
Civil society refers to the arena of uncoerced collective action around shared interests, purposes and values. In theory, its institutional forms are distinct from those of the state, family and market, though in practice, the boundaries between state, civil society, family and market are often complex, blurred and negotiated. Civil society commonly embraces a diversity of spaces, actors and institutional forms, varying in their degree of formality, autonomy and power. Civil societies are often populated by organizations such as registered charities, development non-governmental organizations, community groups, women's organizations, faith-based organizations, professional associations, trade unions, self-help groups, social movements, business associations, coalitions and advocacy groups
And what comprises "civil society" in Pakistan at this time?
Civil society refers to the arena of uncoerced collective action around shared interests, purposes and values. In theory, its institutional forms are distinct from those of the state, family and market, though in practice, the boundaries between state, civil society, family and market are often complex, blurred and negotiated. Civil society commonly embraces a diversity of spaces, actors and institutional forms, varying in their degree of formality, autonomy and power. Civil societies are often populated by organizations such as registered charities, development non-governmental organizations, community groups, women's organizations, faith-based organizations, professional associations, trade unions, self-help groups, social movements, business associations, coalitions and advocacy groups
And what comprises "civil society" in Pakistan at this time?
#4 Posted by jayp on March 8, 2008 12:52:44 am
I can only hope that the wishful thinking of HP will come true.
There si no civil society in pakistan, there are no organised groups other than that by the jihadis. I have cited several examples of price rises, electricity shortages, crimes against women, rise in crime in karachi and you name it, there is no protest from any one in pakistan.
The only organisedf protest in recent tomes is against teh cartoon in some sweden or some where.
Other than jihad, there is nothing in pakistan, you can trust my words.
Now HP, take it from me, the CJ will not be reinstated. You can cut and stuck this post on your walls, enlarge as mush as you can..
There si no civil society in pakistan, there are no organised groups other than that by the jihadis. I have cited several examples of price rises, electricity shortages, crimes against women, rise in crime in karachi and you name it, there is no protest from any one in pakistan.
The only organisedf protest in recent tomes is against teh cartoon in some sweden or some where.
Other than jihad, there is nothing in pakistan, you can trust my words.
Now HP, take it from me, the CJ will not be reinstated. You can cut and stuck this post on your walls, enlarge as mush as you can..
#5 Posted by IB on March 8, 2008 12:55:49 am
HP mian’ with all the differences apart – a nice write up.
Your Sindi Nationalist Party a.k.a Pakistan Peoples Party Parliamentarians leader – Asif Zardari has got the power of ‘NO’ now and he’s using and abusing it to an extent that he’s not letting the right man – getting the right job in cabinet-to-be and for the slot of premiership ; instead he’s grooming his (Zardari) own clan.
While another political party which is ‘Punjabi Nationalist’ which came up with the slogans of ‘Jaag Punjabi Jaag’ – PML (N) is in power in Punjab and there leader Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif also got this option to say ‘NO’ – he’s keeping all the options alive and intact and will use the power of ‘NO’ sometime later. PML(N) stance on reinstatement of judiciary is ‘topi-drama’ and nothing more and is to please the commoners.
Aitazaz Ahsen is a changed man – he’s condemned by the Karachi Bar Association and his own lawyer’s community for his statements on ‘forgetting the 12th May happenings’. At a same time Aitazaz is up with all horns with some of the Central Leaders of his own political party (PPPP) – Aitazaz has the option of saying ‘NO’ too; time will how well he will use his ‘NO’.
Nawaiwaqt Generation is still there prorably keeping quiet in the form of Q-League but I had always maintained that Nawaiwaqt Generation is a group of ‘conservatives’ , the neo-cons of Pakistan. Gen(retd)Hameed Gul types.
Random Thoughts:
a) I had been thinking how right the people who assassinated Benazir Bhutto were – it’s proving ‘good’ for the country in long-run.
b) Happy as MQM had made a decision to sit on the opposition benches – also there’s this concern for the urban areas of Sind(s) Developmental Work; The Confidence of Urdu-Gujrati Speaking Nation and the ‘fascism of Sindis’ in Sind.
c)c) Civil Society of Pakistan consists of PML (N), PPPP, some human rights lot, pseudo intellectuals, ANP, ex-armed forces service men, Baloch nationalists, Sind nationalists? Black Coats? What is a civil society? Another contender for power? A coup? For sure…
Your Sindi Nationalist Party a.k.a Pakistan Peoples Party Parliamentarians leader – Asif Zardari has got the power of ‘NO’ now and he’s using and abusing it to an extent that he’s not letting the right man – getting the right job in cabinet-to-be and for the slot of premiership ; instead he’s grooming his (Zardari) own clan.
While another political party which is ‘Punjabi Nationalist’ which came up with the slogans of ‘Jaag Punjabi Jaag’ – PML (N) is in power in Punjab and there leader Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif also got this option to say ‘NO’ – he’s keeping all the options alive and intact and will use the power of ‘NO’ sometime later. PML(N) stance on reinstatement of judiciary is ‘topi-drama’ and nothing more and is to please the commoners.
Aitazaz Ahsen is a changed man – he’s condemned by the Karachi Bar Association and his own lawyer’s community for his statements on ‘forgetting the 12th May happenings’. At a same time Aitazaz is up with all horns with some of the Central Leaders of his own political party (PPPP) – Aitazaz has the option of saying ‘NO’ too; time will how well he will use his ‘NO’.
Nawaiwaqt Generation is still there prorably keeping quiet in the form of Q-League but I had always maintained that Nawaiwaqt Generation is a group of ‘conservatives’ , the neo-cons of Pakistan. Gen(retd)Hameed Gul types.
Random Thoughts:
a) I had been thinking how right the people who assassinated Benazir Bhutto were – it’s proving ‘good’ for the country in long-run.
b) Happy as MQM had made a decision to sit on the opposition benches – also there’s this concern for the urban areas of Sind(s) Developmental Work; The Confidence of Urdu-Gujrati Speaking Nation and the ‘fascism of Sindis’ in Sind.
c)c) Civil Society of Pakistan consists of PML (N), PPPP, some human rights lot, pseudo intellectuals, ANP, ex-armed forces service men, Baloch nationalists, Sind nationalists? Black Coats? What is a civil society? Another contender for power? A coup? For sure…
#6 Posted by jayp on March 8, 2008 1:00:53 am
HP, The following is fron dawn of today.
After a day of total power failure in karachi because of a dispute between wapda an KESC, note that there was no generation shortage, the karachi people have gone a strike to protest a cartoon in an obscure news paper. That is civil society for you
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After Juma prayers, a large number of traders held a protest rally near Aarambagh in which Muslims all over the world were urged to show their anger over the disgraceful publication.
AMA chairman Atiq Mir said he would send letters to diplomatic missions of western countries asking them to take measures to restrict publication of material, which provoke religious tensions.
He urged the Organisation of Islamic Conference to play an active role by persuading the western media not to take undue advantage of freedom by publishing blasphemous items.
After a day of total power failure in karachi because of a dispute between wapda an KESC, note that there was no generation shortage, the karachi people have gone a strike to protest a cartoon in an obscure news paper. That is civil society for you
/////////////////////////////
After Juma prayers, a large number of traders held a protest rally near Aarambagh in which Muslims all over the world were urged to show their anger over the disgraceful publication.
AMA chairman Atiq Mir said he would send letters to diplomatic missions of western countries asking them to take measures to restrict publication of material, which provoke religious tensions.
He urged the Organisation of Islamic Conference to play an active role by persuading the western media not to take undue advantage of freedom by publishing blasphemous items.
#7 Posted by jayp on March 8, 2008 1:43:09 am
The laws of pakistan,
The CJ was dismissed on this charge of corruption,
From dawn of today, ifran hussian column.
: “Against all norms of decency and truthfulness expected of the exalted office, CJP as a matter of routine used to claim medical bills for items which do not fall in the category of medicines, e.g., Accu Check, a gadget to test diabetes, contact lens solution, face masks, creams, tooth paste, acne lotions, Hashmi Ispaghol, etc”.
The CJ was dismissed on this charge of corruption,
From dawn of today, ifran hussian column.
: “Against all norms of decency and truthfulness expected of the exalted office, CJP as a matter of routine used to claim medical bills for items which do not fall in the category of medicines, e.g., Accu Check, a gadget to test diabetes, contact lens solution, face masks, creams, tooth paste, acne lotions, Hashmi Ispaghol, etc”.
#8 Posted by pavocavalry on March 8, 2008 2:00:48 am
HP , the Punjabis are absolutely hopeless.The Karachi guys economic refugees from india now having a good time.
The USA needs this pathetic mercenary army .They will do anything for the greenback.
A Milestone on the Road to Anarchy
A.H Amin
General Musharraf the military usurper of Pakistan in an article in Washington Post has claimed all credit for holding free and faor elections ! The article appears to be a lobbying attempt with USA in order to get another extension as president of Pakistan for himself.
Not after months of turmoil , but after years of turmoil which have its origins in Pakistani military junta's unconditional collaboration with USA , elections were finally held in Pakistan in 2008.
It is essential that Pakistan should achieve democracy.It is so because a truly democratically elected government will not make the compromises with USA or any other external power like a general who usurped power through the backdoor.When Pakistan's military dictator General Musharraf states that "The government worked tirelessly to ensure that Monday's vote would be free, fair, transparent and peaceful. A broad range of new procedures were put in place -- such as the public counting of ballots at each polling station -- to make certain that this would be the fairest election ever held in Pakistan" this is an insult to Pakistani masses intelligence.A military dictator who usurped power thinks that he did a favour to Pakistan by holding free and fair elections ! What a jugglery of words designed to introduce a conflict of principle ! More so because Musharrafs head of ISI's political section General Zamir admitted in an interview that he rigged the elections of 2002 as Musharraf had ordered !
General Musharraf was fored to hold free and fair elections under severe pressure of USA and its western allies.No compliment to the self proclaimed sincerity of General Musharraf !
The election is historically significant because it has in principle increased political instability in Pakistan by producing a hung parliament.Ripe ground for Pakistani military junta's intelligence agencies to further divide all political forces and make the resultant coalition weak and thus the office of the president stronger.
According to General Musharraf the Pakistani nation faces "three main tasks: defeating terrorism and extremism; building a stable and effective democratic government; and creating a solid foundation for sustained economic growth." He thinks that he can accomplish them and is ready to work with the newly elected Parliament to achieve these objectives.A chronic job seeker , here we have a man who destroyed democracy and now claims credit for restoring it and now wants to work with political parties whose leaders according to him some years deserved to be kicked.In 1999 he created a military organ called NAB and used it to blackmail the vast majority of these politicians.Later the same politicians were blackmailed into joining the kings party called PML Q.
General Musharraf thinks that great challenges are there but also great opportunities exist.He thinks that he is the most suitable man to defeat the challenges and to harness the opportunities.A claim far from reality when in Waziristan the commanding general cannot travel 45 kilometres in jeep by road from Miranshah to Bannu.When Balochistan has been subjected to a massive genocide by military action.When 5 divisions of Pakistan army are struck in tribal areas of Pakistan !
General Musharraf thinks that he is the best bet of USA to fight terrorism.Thus writing an article in Washington Post was part of a strategy to gain extension from USA .
As the Pakistani experience in Bangladesh,Balochistan and Tribal Areas has shown, military force alone is not sufficient. A successful counterinsurgency requires a multi-pronged approach -- military, political and economic.General Musharraf's strategy was to catch some Al Qaeda leaders and sell them to USA as he confessed in his biography.This he did in his own words because Armitage threatened that he will bomb Pakistan to stone age !
He wants the continued support of the United States for Pakistan but above all for himself . He has asked Americans to remember that building democracy is difficult in the best of conditions; doing so in a complex country such as Pakistan -- with its uneasy political history, with its centuries-old regional and feudal cleavages, and with violent extremists dedicated to the defeat of democracy -- is even more challenging. He wants the USA to understand that General Musharraf (Retired) is indispensableif , a peaceful transition to democracy has to be achieved . Although the people of Pakistan clearly demonstrated by their voting that they dont President Musharraf, Musharraf still thinks that he is indispensable.Like Hitler in the last days of power in his bunker thought that some miracle would lead to his triumph or at least survival.General Musharraf thinks that he is indispensable for Pakistan and above all for USA.If USA still believes this theory expounded by Musharraf then the scene is set for diasaster.
General Musharraf is all set to make sure that the parliament elected by Pakistanis in 2008 does not survive for more than an year or two.The horse trading and buying and selling has already commenced.Pakistan is condemned to remain unstable because USA has more faith in Pakistan's generals and its mercenary army which is doing the job of USA's tactical garbage collector than the people of Pakistan.A sad conclusion to the elections of 2008.Pakistan is condemned to greater civil strife and continued instability.That appears to be part of USA's long term strategy !
The USA needs this pathetic mercenary army .They will do anything for the greenback.
A Milestone on the Road to Anarchy
A.H Amin
General Musharraf the military usurper of Pakistan in an article in Washington Post has claimed all credit for holding free and faor elections ! The article appears to be a lobbying attempt with USA in order to get another extension as president of Pakistan for himself.
Not after months of turmoil , but after years of turmoil which have its origins in Pakistani military junta's unconditional collaboration with USA , elections were finally held in Pakistan in 2008.
It is essential that Pakistan should achieve democracy.It is so because a truly democratically elected government will not make the compromises with USA or any other external power like a general who usurped power through the backdoor.When Pakistan's military dictator General Musharraf states that "The government worked tirelessly to ensure that Monday's vote would be free, fair, transparent and peaceful. A broad range of new procedures were put in place -- such as the public counting of ballots at each polling station -- to make certain that this would be the fairest election ever held in Pakistan" this is an insult to Pakistani masses intelligence.A military dictator who usurped power thinks that he did a favour to Pakistan by holding free and fair elections ! What a jugglery of words designed to introduce a conflict of principle ! More so because Musharrafs head of ISI's political section General Zamir admitted in an interview that he rigged the elections of 2002 as Musharraf had ordered !
General Musharraf was fored to hold free and fair elections under severe pressure of USA and its western allies.No compliment to the self proclaimed sincerity of General Musharraf !
The election is historically significant because it has in principle increased political instability in Pakistan by producing a hung parliament.Ripe ground for Pakistani military junta's intelligence agencies to further divide all political forces and make the resultant coalition weak and thus the office of the president stronger.
According to General Musharraf the Pakistani nation faces "three main tasks: defeating terrorism and extremism; building a stable and effective democratic government; and creating a solid foundation for sustained economic growth." He thinks that he can accomplish them and is ready to work with the newly elected Parliament to achieve these objectives.A chronic job seeker , here we have a man who destroyed democracy and now claims credit for restoring it and now wants to work with political parties whose leaders according to him some years deserved to be kicked.In 1999 he created a military organ called NAB and used it to blackmail the vast majority of these politicians.Later the same politicians were blackmailed into joining the kings party called PML Q.
General Musharraf thinks that great challenges are there but also great opportunities exist.He thinks that he is the most suitable man to defeat the challenges and to harness the opportunities.A claim far from reality when in Waziristan the commanding general cannot travel 45 kilometres in jeep by road from Miranshah to Bannu.When Balochistan has been subjected to a massive genocide by military action.When 5 divisions of Pakistan army are struck in tribal areas of Pakistan !
General Musharraf thinks that he is the best bet of USA to fight terrorism.Thus writing an article in Washington Post was part of a strategy to gain extension from USA .
As the Pakistani experience in Bangladesh,Balochistan and Tribal Areas has shown, military force alone is not sufficient. A successful counterinsurgency requires a multi-pronged approach -- military, political and economic.General Musharraf's strategy was to catch some Al Qaeda leaders and sell them to USA as he confessed in his biography.This he did in his own words because Armitage threatened that he will bomb Pakistan to stone age !
He wants the continued support of the United States for Pakistan but above all for himself . He has asked Americans to remember that building democracy is difficult in the best of conditions; doing so in a complex country such as Pakistan -- with its uneasy political history, with its centuries-old regional and feudal cleavages, and with violent extremists dedicated to the defeat of democracy -- is even more challenging. He wants the USA to understand that General Musharraf (Retired) is indispensableif , a peaceful transition to democracy has to be achieved . Although the people of Pakistan clearly demonstrated by their voting that they dont President Musharraf, Musharraf still thinks that he is indispensable.Like Hitler in the last days of power in his bunker thought that some miracle would lead to his triumph or at least survival.General Musharraf thinks that he is indispensable for Pakistan and above all for USA.If USA still believes this theory expounded by Musharraf then the scene is set for diasaster.
General Musharraf is all set to make sure that the parliament elected by Pakistanis in 2008 does not survive for more than an year or two.The horse trading and buying and selling has already commenced.Pakistan is condemned to remain unstable because USA has more faith in Pakistan's generals and its mercenary army which is doing the job of USA's tactical garbage collector than the people of Pakistan.A sad conclusion to the elections of 2008.Pakistan is condemned to greater civil strife and continued instability.That appears to be part of USA's long term strategy !
#9 Posted by tahmed32 on March 8, 2008 3:42:05 am
pavocavalry: Kindly try to get rid of your racist remarks. It makes you appear to be stupid.
And posts are meant to exchange comments - not to promote one's own literary efforts.
And posts are meant to exchange comments - not to promote one's own literary efforts.
#10 Posted by masadi on March 8, 2008 4:01:06 am
Basically HPs conclusions are more or less similar to mine regarding the Army, there are some exceptions however and instead of dwelling on the similarities, I'd like to highlight the difference and that involves the "power of No"- first he has a convuluted understanding of what Islam is about and what Muslims are supposed to believe about the Shaitan, Shaitan is not some romantic rebel who stood up to tyranny, rather he represents the ego that comes between truth and fact and blinds better judgment and justice.
The purpose of the prophets of God in that regard was to enlighten people about truth and justice, truth that is within them so they can reach their potential as a unique species, while warning them of potential pitfalls that can keep them from such truth, Shaitan (the controllers of consciousness today), his minions (like todays peons of the West)and the matrix of deception they have created.
In this regarard the Pakistan Army fits more the role of minions of the shaitan (with the US elite as the uber shaitan) rather than Allah. That clearance aside, the CJ was himself a minion of the minions of the shaitan, he had army backing through and through otherwise the decision exonerating him that was the context of the whole scenario would never have materialized- remember that that exoneration took place inspite of his personality and inspite of Musharraf- who were the powers behind it or are you claiming that the power of NO suddenly affected the entire bench. No, there was no, NO to the Army involved, Musharraf as Army commander had outgrown his usefulness, and the US wanted to strip him of his uniform, that was the beginning and end of the CJ crisis. So apart from these minor details and the byporducts that bite the Shaitan and its minions in their behind, our conclusions are more or less the same though I go a step forward and claim that because it is getting increasingly tenuous for the Americans to deal with its proxy occupation force, it might try to dismember Pakistan....for details read my article that chowk censored....
The purpose of the prophets of God in that regard was to enlighten people about truth and justice, truth that is within them so they can reach their potential as a unique species, while warning them of potential pitfalls that can keep them from such truth, Shaitan (the controllers of consciousness today), his minions (like todays peons of the West)and the matrix of deception they have created.
In this regarard the Pakistan Army fits more the role of minions of the shaitan (with the US elite as the uber shaitan) rather than Allah. That clearance aside, the CJ was himself a minion of the minions of the shaitan, he had army backing through and through otherwise the decision exonerating him that was the context of the whole scenario would never have materialized- remember that that exoneration took place inspite of his personality and inspite of Musharraf- who were the powers behind it or are you claiming that the power of NO suddenly affected the entire bench. No, there was no, NO to the Army involved, Musharraf as Army commander had outgrown his usefulness, and the US wanted to strip him of his uniform, that was the beginning and end of the CJ crisis. So apart from these minor details and the byporducts that bite the Shaitan and its minions in their behind, our conclusions are more or less the same though I go a step forward and claim that because it is getting increasingly tenuous for the Americans to deal with its proxy occupation force, it might try to dismember Pakistan....for details read my article that chowk censored....
#12 Posted by zeemax on March 8, 2008 4:09:18 am
#8 Posted by pavocavalry,
Pakistan is condemned to greater civil strife and continued instability.That appears to be part of USA's long term strategy !
I smell article 58 2(b)in musharraf's remark yesterday that he'll support the elected government if it is able to maintain law & order. I suspect he'll try to make sure it can't!
Pakistan is condemned to greater civil strife and continued instability.That appears to be part of USA's long term strategy !
I smell article 58 2(b)in musharraf's remark yesterday that he'll support the elected government if it is able to maintain law & order. I suspect he'll try to make sure it can't!
#13 Posted by rozaiba on March 8, 2008 4:09:46 am
masadi writes:
"first he has a convuluted understanding of what Islam is about and what Muslims are supposed to believe about the Shaitan, Shaitan is not some romantic rebel who stood up to tyranny, rather he represents the ego that comes between truth and fact and blinds better judgment and justice."
Masadi, actually Bala sort of saw Shaitan as a 'romantic rebel' as can be seen in his lines "khatakta houn dil-e-yazdaan main kaantay kee tarah, tu faqt allahu allahu...". So HP's parallel of Allah=Musharaf and Shaitan=CJ is accurate. At least the Nawa-e-waqt generation that never gives up quoting Bala would see it like this. We need rebels, not pussy farishtay.
I would say your understanding of Islam is puerile.
"first he has a convuluted understanding of what Islam is about and what Muslims are supposed to believe about the Shaitan, Shaitan is not some romantic rebel who stood up to tyranny, rather he represents the ego that comes between truth and fact and blinds better judgment and justice."
Masadi, actually Bala sort of saw Shaitan as a 'romantic rebel' as can be seen in his lines "khatakta houn dil-e-yazdaan main kaantay kee tarah, tu faqt allahu allahu...". So HP's parallel of Allah=Musharaf and Shaitan=CJ is accurate. At least the Nawa-e-waqt generation that never gives up quoting Bala would see it like this. We need rebels, not pussy farishtay.
I would say your understanding of Islam is puerile.
#14 Posted by tahmed32 on March 8, 2008 4:12:01 am
masadi: While the rest of your post is your usual irrational speculation, you make a very good point on how the shaitan represents "the ego that comes between truth and fact and blinds better judgment and justice. "
The irony is that your obvious hunger for recognition illustrates perfectly the above statement!!
The irony is that your obvious hunger for recognition illustrates perfectly the above statement!!
#15 Posted by krbhatti on March 8, 2008 4:18:45 am
HP saab,
Nice write up. I would say, however that:
Previousely yes pak army and punjabis spoke the same language and the reason was the rhtoric of army was filtered down punjabis because they were the main constituent part. How this connection has severed (only the filtering down)? You say it is because of new middle eastern market, while I say no. Till end of ninetees this link was still there while punjabis and other pakistanis have been to gulf since 70s. I think this was severed because people of pakistan became more informed after internet introduction in mid 80s and private tv channels in last few years..........
Nice write up. I would say, however that:
Previousely yes pak army and punjabis spoke the same language and the reason was the rhtoric of army was filtered down punjabis because they were the main constituent part. How this connection has severed (only the filtering down)? You say it is because of new middle eastern market, while I say no. Till end of ninetees this link was still there while punjabis and other pakistanis have been to gulf since 70s. I think this was severed because people of pakistan became more informed after internet introduction in mid 80s and private tv channels in last few years..........
#16 Posted by rozaiba on March 8, 2008 4:22:16 am
Punjab's enjoyed its role as the traditional breeding ground for future faujiz.
Interestingly, Aisha Siddiqa points out that 75% of Pakistan Army recruits are from three districts - I cannot recall which ones, but could assume the three being a)Rawalpindi, Attock and Chakwal. If you add four or five districts from NWFP, then 8 districts in Pakistan account for 95% of all Pakistani Army recruits.
I think your article's other socio-economic factors are more valid in presenting the changed dynamics of Punjab. The Army=Punjab argument is a stretch. Recall Punjab supported both Bhutto and let Zia hang him. Perhaps today the difference is the moderately enlightened generation.
Interestingly, Aisha Siddiqa points out that 75% of Pakistan Army recruits are from three districts - I cannot recall which ones, but could assume the three being a)Rawalpindi, Attock and Chakwal. If you add four or five districts from NWFP, then 8 districts in Pakistan account for 95% of all Pakistani Army recruits.
I think your article's other socio-economic factors are more valid in presenting the changed dynamics of Punjab. The Army=Punjab argument is a stretch. Recall Punjab supported both Bhutto and let Zia hang him. Perhaps today the difference is the moderately enlightened generation.
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