The Deoband Declaration on Terrorism: Why Now?

ISlamIslam#35:

I don't know about Jinnah but Maulana Maudoodi was quite consistent. He said that Muslims should accept the status of shudras/malechha in India just as Hindus should accept dhimmi status in Pakistan.
So, give some credit to islamists for being consistent.

[why do you make your name so difficult to spell correctly?]

Ref dost_mittar #14

[In what sense are the muslims getting more than their share in India? Certainly not a greater share in the army, police, bureaucracy or economic pie in general]

They can compete for it if they want. Why should they be given quotas for being retarded Arab-wannabe's?

majumdar#33:

I have been reading Pakistani newspapers for over ten years now. The only minority voices being raised are that of Christians, the voices on behalf of Hindus are also raised, but not by them but by human rights or the PPP activists based in Sindh.

Ref dost_mittar #4

[Indian Muslims do have choices and they are exercising it, this is why the Congress is worried. In the post-babri masjid period, Muslims have been voting strategically on a constituency basis to vote for the Candidate with the best chance of defeating the BJP candidate. This will continue. The best Congress can hope for is for Muslims to vote for it when the choice is between non-bjp candidates.]

Congress is the new Muslim League of India!

Ref dost_mittar #31

[Unless in India, minorities in Pakistan were never promised a rose garden, MAJ's August 1947 long-concealed speech notwithstanding.]

Jinnah-bhai knew exactly what fate awaited the minorities in Pakistan. He said they would be hostages who would ensure the good treatment of Muslims left behind in India.

Yaaser, dear boy, come on; pipe up on this issue.

Ref nkg #16

[Actual ethnic minorities like Anglo Indians, Persians, Jews never complain about discrimnation or special law to protect their cultural identity.]

That is because they have not perfected the art of whining "They made me do it. Poor me! Woe unto me" the way Muslims have done for 1400 years.

Nor did they have that pseudo-Hindu Jwahirullah Nehru espousing their cause.

DM sahib,

If India's minorities happened to be 3% of the population and that too divided between 2-3 groups of 1% each, they too wud not have complained (too much) about discrimination even if they had been promised the rose garden.

Btw it is not as if Paki minorities have not raised their voice against discrimination only since their voices are very small they ain't heard.

Regards

PS: Thanx for referring to my (and Yasser's) fave speech.

Re: # 31

How did Pakistan solve its communal problem???

By turning into an Islamic state??

How the dhimmi-model is superior to the "sarva-dharma-sambhav" secular model??

majumdar#30:

When I said "communal" as it is understood in India, it relates primarily to hindu-sikh-muslim thingy. Problems beween arya samajis and sanatanis or between sunnis and shias fall into sectarian category.

In Pakistan, you still have a sizeable number, around 5 million people belonging to minorities and that proportion has remained constant since early fifties. It's not the numbers but the "terms of endearment" that is important. Unless in India, minorities in Pakistan were never promised a rose garden, MAJ's August 1947 long-concealed speech notwithstanding.

DM sahib,

When I was referring to minority problem I was referring to its "religious minority" problem and I am sure Kaal bhai too was referring to the same. I am sure he cannot be unaware that Pakistan has hardly had a great track record in dealing with LINGUISTIC minorities.

(Pakistan did not get rid of its minority "community". )

Well they did reduce the religious minority pop to 3% (from c.20% before 1947) which is not a bad achievement by any means, although not as good as Ataturk sahib's Turkey.

Regards

majumdar#25:

"Get rid of the minorities, you get rid of the minority problem as well."

Two errors. Pakistan did not solve its minority problem, only communal problem, with "communal" as it is understood in India.

Secondly, Pakistan did not get rid of its minority "community". If you understand Urdu, its solution is best described by the urdu expression "tadapnay ki ijaazzat hai Na furyaad ki hai".

Pandit Ladduji Maharaj,

(What is that Pakistani model?? )

Explained in #25. Get rid of minorities, get rid of minority problem as well.

Regards

Re: # 23

"We in India need to immediately adopt the Pakistani model. That would be better for everybody and will avoid long-term problems."

Kaale Khan Saheb,

What is that Pakistani model??

Kaal bhai,

Further to #25.

There is no guarantee that Proposition #25 wud solve the minority problems. New minorities can always be generated!!!

Regards

Kaal bhai,

(Pakistan has a MUCH better model of dealing with minorities)

True. Get rid of the minorities, you get rid of the minority problem as well.

Regards

eklavya#23:

"We in India need to immediately adopt the Pakistani model."

Not so fast, eklavya bhayya, you might end up losing your other thumb as well.

It's difficult to snatch even a toy from a child once you have given it to him and you are talking about a community which knows how to defend its rights. Even the weasly Hindus in Srilanka and Malaysia are protesting when their rights are being taken from them. In India, you would have a full fledged jihad, this time supported if not sponsored by darul uloom itself, if you try to impose something unacceptable to them. The majority community will be best served by accepting the settlement bequeathed to them by their netas.