The Deoband Declaration on Terrorism: Why Now?

So the RSS thread is still going?

we might have to call shiv sena to stop the non sense on this board!

Re: # 64
The jehadis caught by Karnataka Police have mostly studied in Govt. sponsored colleges. This defies your logic. I can feel the root cause of problem. Chronologically and quality wise Indian civilisation was much superior than moslems. The evidence is everywhere. Due to social turmoil, moslems had acuired power. With coersion and incentives they were able to bring some of the lower caste people into their fold. The coersion method have not worked for India (the way it had worked in Persia/Iran) fully ( Killing of Ayengars by Tipu Sultan, Story of Guru Gobind Singh). Now, after British has come, the brute force, by which these guys used to capture power, failed. Furthermore, British education has empowered Indians as well as created a united identity of India. Now, muslims can not frighten Indians. Neither, they can prove the utility of this mediaval practices in current India. So, the ghettoisation. Now, fuelled by Arab money, muslims are now trying to flaunt their pro-arab identity. When people mock and reject it, violence starts. For example, muslims students fasting according to some arabic calender. Why a college in India have to adjust it's academic calender to this? So, the student feels alieneted and then these students forms group like SIMI and try to harm Indian administration.

Ref treetop #67

[Yes,the problem is with muslims.They are used to rule,
they cannot accept servile status]

Muslims are like the white trash that votes Republican in the US even when the Republicans are screwing them. Just like the white trash believes the Republican crap that hard work will make them millionaires like the Republican Party leaders and vote for tax cuts for the rich, Muslims think that they were the rulers of India. 99% of Muslims were working as farmers and leather workers; a miniscule group of Muslims, mostly Afghans, were freeloading on them and leading a royal life.

Brain dead diaper-heads!

Ref dost_mittar #64

[Indian Muslims are double victims.]Nope, they double-faulted.

They demanded Pakistan but didn't move there: first fault.

They willingly went into their ghettoes and stayed there instead of coming out and attending schools and colleges like Hindus, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, Parsis and Christians did: double fault.

They double-faulted when the game was 30-love in favor of Hindus. So the score now is Advantage Hindus.

Tough sh!t.

Re#59
Yes,the problem is with muslims.They are used to rule,
they cannot accept servile status[ unlike hindoos]

The best way to eliminate the Muslim vote bank is to eliminate Muslims from the voting rolls.

Pakistan dealt with its Hindu minority by expelling or forcibly converting them.

Since that seems to be ruled out as a choice (I wonder why), the simplest step would be to deny Muslims the right to vote.

Since it is agreed that the Muslims of UP, Bengal and Bihar were the primary movers behind Pakistan and that the Muslim population in Punjab and Sindh was not agitating for a separate Pakistan, there is no reason to accept India's Muslim population as full loyal citizens of India. Denying them electoral rights would be consistent with their stand that they wanted to live in a separate country. If they won't move their, fin. They just don't get to vote in this country.

That would mean the end of the Congress Party too.

Good riddance to bad rubbish!

While at it, the same thing should apply to Christians. Anytime the Christians demand minority reservation in government and Hindu educational institutions but do not provide reservations for anybody in Christian-run institutions, it is double dipping: what is mine is mine and what is yours is also mine. For that attitude, the Christians should be denied voting rights in India.

Ref dost_mittar #64

[Indian Muslims are double victims. First, they are victims of Nehruvian policies which encouraged them to have a separate, ummah oriented identity instead of becoming part of the Indian mainstream. Secondly, they are victims of the Hindu nationalists who still believe in the two nation theory and dont accept muslims as full fledged Indians.]

This is totally false.

Were Muslims given separate constituencies? Were they told to enroll only in separate schools?

No.

Indian Muslims chose all this voluntarily.

So, don't blame Hindu Nationalists for the Muslim mindset.

Why are some Indian Muslims waving the Pakistani flag in cricket matches between India and Pakistan? When half the Indian team is Muslim?

nkg:

Indian Muslims are double victims. First, they are victims of Nehruvian policies which encouraged them to have a separate, ummah oriented identity instead of becoming part of the Indian mainstream. Secondly, they are victims of the Hindu nationalists who still believe in the two nation theory and dont accept muslims as full fledged Indians.

Re: # 61
Most of the muslims in India were busy for food, shelter etc...When Arab $ takes care of it, they will fight for Islam. So, far, flow of Arab $ was concentrated in Pakistan and Bangladesh. BD is now turing into another Afg. It has taken around 20 years to arabize BD ( they have fought for the language and script they have inherited from their ancestors. Now, everywhere, they use Arabic. Radical change happened in last 20 years.) Such can happen in India also. Even 2 years back, people of Karnataka have never expected this islamists/jihadists in their soil. But it is reality now. Muslims are muslims after all. You can domesticate a dog and make it eat milk, biscuit, rice, dal etc...sleep on sofa etc... but that does not turn it into human. Given opportunity, you can not stop the dog from eating shit....

I am not aware of the situation in Pakistan. But the situation in Bangladesh is pretty poor. Any decent Bengali family are target of moslems. First they will create such a situation that, you will not be able to live peacefully there. The final assault will be on young girls. I know couple of Bangladeshi girls, who are married in border districts of West Bengal (24 PGS, Nadia etc.) in quite young age ( bellow 18). They simply emulate Muhammed, the barbarian and his co-robbers. The only way left for the wretched families are to submit or leave BD and settle in West Bengal. The total population of Bengalees has reduced from nearly 35% to less than 10% now. And the number is reducing...I am pretty sure, this barbarism can be defeated by whites....

Re: # 58

nkg,

The most advanced and coordinated jihadi recruitment was for the afghan war. Not even a single indian was found in guntanamo, while muslims from australia to sweden were there. No doubt, the ones from teh west were seeking adventure.

The fact is that for the indian muslims, there are role models, and they can see that with studies and hard work, they can come up. For the pakistanis, they have no hope, all that they see is corruption and they beleive that jihad will get them out, a true sharia implementation will be the road to prosperity.

That is why there is no way out for pakistan, other than a true jihadic war.

#53 Posted by dost_mittar on March 12, 2008 8:44:17 pm

well...given that, azim premji and the lack of indians in gitmo, i'd say things are pretty good for muslims...

can't have it both ways...

#54 Posted by dost_mittar on March 12, 2008 8:47:27 pm

muslims claim persecution in every country that is non-muslim....

if you set the koolaid aside for a minute, do you think, perhaps, the problem is with muslims themselves?

Re: # 21
The foundation of Indian Constitution is very good. Special privilege and protection for ethnic minorities should be part of a decent democracy. But, that should not include moslems, sikhs, christians. Some ethnic groups in north east, who are very few in number, should enjoy such privilege. Instead of protecting their rights and cultural identity, we are busy promoting mediaval middle east culture (Islam/Christianity). Now, the actual vulnerable groups are struggling to survive its culture against Christian missionaries. RSS has also joined the bandwagon. Orissa, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh , MP. The identification of minority was the basic problem. I have heard that J N's father was clerk under a moslem lawyear. So, he had to pay gratitude towards moslems.
I am not blaming muslims for their problem. But, the social condition, what we have inherited from British, was not better. Those who were ahead during that period, they have benifitted more. Muslim backwardness was an issue during British period also.
Coming back to Deoband, do we need it now? What is the implication of this fatwa? Does police, court, parliament recognise it?
DM, you were talking about Tamils in Srilanka and Malayasia. In these countries, Tamils are discriminated. Even if Tamils are less in number, they do not want any favour. The same rule should apply for every citizen in these countries. Backwardness of native Sinhalese and Malays has prompted the Govt. to adopt such policy ( preference in jobs for Malays and Sinhala people). But, when that exceeds limit, it creates unrest.
Regarding Jihad in India, I am expecting that very soon. The bad example of Bangladesh and Pakistan may repeat in India. Huge amount of Middle East money invested in mosques and madressahs will produce some sort of animals, which will not be able to integrate with Indian society and culture. The more crude oil price increases, more the problem will be visible. Europe in sensing it now.

laddu#56:

One might say that Hindus have now started whining because of 8 years of "enlightened Islam" rule Of Musharraf.

Re: # 54

Dm ji,

That was a tu quoque fallacy.

Yes, there are cases of minority prosecution in India. But that is irrelevant to the argument.

I just refuted your and Kaale Khan's suggestion that Pakistan or Islam SOLVES the communal problem!!!