The Deoband Declaration on Terrorism: Why Now?

majum dada, glad you enjoyed, although, perhaps unintentionally on my part? :)

IslamIslam, other than Sikhs, and some Buddhists, may be, Indic people don't count in such matters. To be counted, one has to develop boundaries first. Don't you think?

Ref Eklavya #83

[American must realize that Pakistan can make enough of a difference in world affairs to threaten the US or its interests.]

So, have you got your T-Shirt with the Pakistani flag on it ready? I assume you plan to wear that T-Shirt and wave your green passport nonchalantly at the Immigration counter at JFK airport as you land there in a PIA plane.

What is it I heard lamenting the fact PIA is not even allowed to fly to most European countries whereas India's private carriers are getting landing rights?

[That's more than what many would say for India.]

Yes. That is why the US is offering Pakistan nuclear reactors and fuel along with co-production possibilities if they buy American warplanes, something they are most definitely not offering India!

Ref Eklavya #77

[Pakistan is a large country with nuclear capabilities. Within sixty years it has already established itself as the Ummah's most powerful member and the most active leader. Its thinkers and leaders are shaping and moulding the Ummah. It's rock solid. All Muslims - nationalists, Islamists - are behind it. By no means it is a flop nation.

After loss of direction initially, Bangladesh too is on its way.

India, by comparison, is nowhere near attaining similar status in its own domain of relevance and interest - the non-Ummah world. We are making some progress, but even the most optimistic of us wouldn't call India the most powerful nation of the un-Ummah.]

Un-Ummah includes Christians and the Chinese/Japanese/Confucianists besides the Hindus.

Among Hindu nations, India is by far the biggest.... considering that the only Hindu nation is Nepal which is also going to become secular under the Marxists who were trained at Jwahirullah Nehru University.

Wait for Nepali Muslims to get a Haj subsidy; it won't be long.

Kaal bhai,

Thanks for #77. It brought a much bigger chuckle on my face than anything else I read today!!!

(Pakistan is a large country with nuclear capabilities. Within sixty years it has already established itself as the Ummah's most powerful member and the most active leader.)

USSR too was a large country with nuke capabilities and it had established itself as the Marxist Ummah's most powerful member and the most active leader. I hope this was not the precedent that you had in mind.

(Its thinkers and leaders are shaping and moulding the Ummah.)

Have you been spending much time with Yasser mian lately???

(After loss of direction initially, Bangladesh too is on its way.)

A nation which is both BONG and MOMIN can go only ONE way but that may well be my personal prejudice so I will not get into it any further.

The other issue of course is that half of B'desh will be under the sea in 15 years time, although to be sure, they can get their compensatory lebensraum in WB and NE.

Regards

PS; Never mind if I didn't agree with some of your post's conclusion, I thoroughly enjoyed #77.

nkg, a LOT of people do care about such things.

And don't forget, the USA does not (have to) threaten weak and incapable states. American must realize that Pakistan can make enough of a difference in world affairs to threaten the US or its interests.

That's more than what many would say for India.

Re: # 77
Who bothers about Pakistan's status in Ummah? Your President had admitted publicly that Richard Armitage had threated to bomb Pakisthan to stone age. Is that sign of power? Pakisthan is viewed as breeding ground for terrorists, most dangerous place on earth. Does this look dignified? Your ummah is surviving on arab oil. Let that finish, ummah will vanish. Do you think your old,North Korean missiles will be able to prevent USA/NATO from destroying Pakistan? I am not saying overall, India is doing good in economically. But the sign is very healthy ( education, health, industry, technology) in most of the sectors.

zee, I have to tell you, I still can't get over the piece by one of Dailytimes editors, suggesting that Islamists should 'swatted' like the flies that become too much of a nuisance.

That mindset and language one expects from chaltahai, arjun, even jayp, who after all come from a completely different background....

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nkg, BIMARU states of India will remain BIMARU. Nothing can be done about them.

Whatever is happening in Bangladesh is happening on its own accord.

Re: # 77
Bangladesh has made some progress, largely due to Indian influence on AL. They implemented most of the pro-people measures India suggests and what is implemented in West Bengal. India is dragged by MP,Rajasthan, Bihar, Orissa and UP. You improve these states, India will look far better. Pakistan is far behind, and will be for quite a long time.

Thanks, zee.

Although Pakistanis can do whatever they want, it is truly tragic that sundry Sindhis, Pakhtoons, Punjabis and everyone else there would want to kill and bomb the very people who are most committed to Pakistan as a state and who have clearly sacrificed the most to build their greatest stake there.

There is a limit to how big, and how brazenly one can ask for, a free lunch, paid for by others.

#77 Posted by Eklavya,

We are simply witnessing another cycle of dealing with unIslamic internal elements who had recently stopped playing ball honestly with Islamists.

This is accurate. The Islamic forces basically grabbed the anti-Islam establishment by the scruff of the neck, lifted it off the ground, slapped it hard, and forced a regime change within a year. It's now upto the political Government to make suitable amends, or they too will perish.

In that respect the statement released right after the elections was clear "We congratulate the newly elected representatives, and expect them not to repeat the mistakes of the previous regime".

majumdar dada

Pakistan is a large country with nuclear capabilities. Within sixty years it has already established itself as the Ummah's most powerful member and the most active leader. Its thinkers and leaders are shaping and moulding the Ummah. It's rock solid. All Muslims - nationalists, Islamists - are behind it. By no means it is a flop nation.

After loss of direction initially, Bangladesh too is on its way.

India, by comparison, is nowhere near attaining similar status in its own domain of relevance and interest - the non-Ummah world. We are making some progress, but even the most optimistic of us wouldn't call India the most powerful nation of the un-Ummah.

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Probably we mistake what is happening currently in Pakistan as a sign of 'failure.' IMO, that is a wrong view. We are simply witnessing another cycle of dealing with unIslamic internal elements who had recently stopped playing ball honestly with Islamists.

Peace will return soon if all Pakistanis go back to playing by the same rules and with integrity. Otherwise, it will be a while before unIslamic elements in Pakistan are fully pacified.

This is a natural process unfolding, well, naturally.

#64 Posted by dost_mittar on March 13, 2008 3:24:22 pm


Indian Muslims are double victims.


Seeing as how muslims are behind in the US, UK and pretty much everywhere else, muslims are the ultimate victim..

now would you like a refill of the koolaid?

the circle of jerks gather
saffroned all over
HP dipped his wicker
got poxed all over

Kaal bhai,

(The only way was to give Muslims a separate country.)

&

(And Gandhi/Nehru messed that up big time.)


2/3rd of (undivided) India's Muslims did get a separate country where most non-Muslims were killed, converted or driven out of the country and the balance who remained got used to dhimmitude.

So why did Pak and B'desh flop as nations. Surely the Hindu racist, casteist, fascist, misogynist, bigoted freak could not have been solely responsible for that.

Regards

DM

"Nehruvian policies which encouraged them to have a separate, ummah oriented identity instead of becoming part of the Indian mainstream."

How could Gandhi/Nehru not have encouraged muslims, as a group, to have an identity that was separate from non-Muslims, and was ummah-oriented?

Let's forget Gandhi/Nehru, dm ji. How can ANYONE today, in 2008, not encourage Muslims as a group, to have a separate, ummah-oriented identity?

May be Canada has succeeded, I don't know.

The only way was to give Muslims a separate country. A country specifically for Muslims would allow Islamists to dress themselves up as nationalists, if and when they wanted.

This was the most convenient and most moral option. And Gandhi/Nehru messed that up big time.

Furthermore...
DM, I agreee, majority ( Hindu) people are partly to blame for social isaolation as well. Neither we allow them in our celebration, nor we participate in their celebrations, may be the main reason. Both Congress and BJP need to be blamed for this mess.