The Deoband Declaration on Terrorism: Why Now?

All the mullahs were against Jinnah leading a truncated part of conquered land of India because that would mean relinquishing the conquered part of Islamic land.
Read Madani other mullahs , they only were against the truncated land of Pakistan.

Post facto , all the mullahs were rapid supporters of Pakistan-as-an-Islamic-state.........

113,

Well yes...to a certain extent that is true.

But that disproves your post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy about Pakistan and TNT which renders your earlier 112 meaningless.

Neither prophet Muhammad nor the TNT have anything to do with Deobandi Islamic militancy since Deobandis denounced the TNT which you say can be traced back to Muhammad.

Since all terror is deobandi in origin and deobandis were opposed to TNT then it negates all the rest of your arguments.

is post hoc the newly discovered word of the day?

if you're going to use it in every post, at least use it right..

a proper use would be if someone, no one in particular, were to claim that gandhi supported the mullahs in the 1940s and lal masjid happened in 2007....hence gandhi caused lal masjid...

BTW, manto..

did you hear about how the indigenous freedom fighters of the Lashkar-e-toiba, the kashmiri freedom fighting group, were responsible for the bombings in Lahore?

you know...the kashmiri freedom struggle you're such a big supporter of...

I hope nobody you know got whacked by the actions of the freedom fighters you supported...

no seriously..

Yo YLH - you are still alive... good to know... feroz had a close call recently - suicide bomb went off a few hundred feet of where he was...

Be careful out there - jihadis, I mean gandhi-followers, are all over pakiland now...

Re: # 114

Ther is NO fallacy . I am not asserting that there is a coincidental correlation between Mohammadeanism and TNT.

Let us look intgo the "minority interest argument" again.

MJ was only negotiating for preservation of muslim identity.

TNT was required to preserve muslim identity.

muslim identity is based upon 5 pillors of Islam and Quran.

Thus TNT is based upon what Quran states to be the muslim identity.

Thus, TNT is bsed upon Islam.

QED.

Let us not fool ourselves. Every momeen knew what Quran says and what Pakistan was supposed to achieve- the only confusion was in the mind of MAJ. He thought that that Pakistan was a secular state but talked about "muslim" identity which was pre-dominantly based upon Islamic identity.

Re: # 114

"Since all terror is deobandi in origin and deobandis were opposed to TNT then it negates all the rest of your arguments."

This is a false statement. It is refuted by the presence of Shia terrorists. Hamas and kashmiri terrorists are not deobandis. And Deobandis in India are yet to show the type of intolerance that is evident from Pakistani madarassas.
I think it is because Pakistani constitution considers "Islamic Principles" to be the basis of all acts and rules...and nothing can be ultra-vires to this.........which has been rightly interpreted by the mullahs that only they hold the key to interpretation of PAki constitution.and ofcourse complete conformity with Sharia is the "basic principle" of Pakistani consitution!!

These are your own.........whom you nurtured in your back yards........


One American woman killed in Islamabad blast
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ISLAMABAD: An American woman working in the US Embassy here was killed and 15 persons, including Chinese and Japanese, were injured when a powerful blast rocked a popular restaurant in the heart of the Pakistani capital on Sunday.

The explosion on the lawn outside the Luna Caprise restaurant occurred at about 8:40 pm local time, sending plumes of smoke in the air and creating a huge crater at the site.

#120 Posted by laddu on March 15, 2008 10:44:32 am

gandhi's fault..I'm sure blockbuster will pull gandhi from it's shelves and put up jinnah instead...

Again more fallacious thinking dear laddu.

First of all there are no shiite terrorists. Even the international terrorists are from the same salafi-ahle hadith school which inspired the ulema of deoband.

As for your claims about indian madrassahs not displaying the same amount of intolerance etc as Pakistani deobandi ones, I am afraid this is a false claim as well. The Pakistani deobandis take their lead from the Indian deobandi leadership. Indian deobandi fatwas are perhaps the most retrogressive and backward in the world. Surely you haven't forgotten the Shahbano, imrana and other such cases, where the deobandi ulema extracted their pound of flesh for services rendered against the Muslim League and Pakistan. Incidentally even Pakistan amended the Muslim family laws to make it more balanced for women in 1961 but same cannot be imagined in secular India because Congress is held hostage to its Darul uloom deoband vote.

The reason why Pakistanis madrassahs became famous was because they got upto a billion dollars a year in Afghan Jehad from the US and Saudi Arabia with the connivance of the ISI. Therefore militancy is simply a matter of opportunity in this case.

As for TNT, I have already shown you that this is entirely unrelated to all these activities, given that it was a movement for the uplift of Muslims and was in any event unconcerned with theology. If anything the Islamization of Pakistan is contrary to the basic spirit of the TNT which implied that a permanent majority should not by sheer numbers oppress permanent minorities, something which Pakistanis have been doing.

" These are your own"

I was not aware that you were privy to the identities of those responsible for the bombing today.

#122 Posted by MantoLives on March 15, 2008 12:36:12 pm


The reason why Pakistanis madrassahs became famous was because they got upto a billion dollars a year in Afghan Jehad from the US and Saudi Arabia with the connivance of the ISI.


really...and what about the period between the soviet withdrawal in 1989 and now? what about the 90s when you kept the madrassahs going to produce jihadis to fight in india and afghanistan...

Re: # 117

Mohar,

One more advice to YLH. The real worst jihadis go one step further, they are gandhi look alikes, with only a loin cloth and a stick. In fact, not many know, gandhi carried the stick, and as a jihadi, that was a dynamite stick.

YLH, watch out for those gandhi look alikes, carrying dynamite sticks, in teh streets of pakistan.

What a progress for your gandhi-jihadi theory. It started with gadhi carrying dynamite stick, then jinnah changed it to TNT, now the osamas have changed it further to RDX.

I have been carefully following this thread and deliberately did not post anything to divert the on going discourse. But realizing what happens to the Muslim minority in India and what Hindu majority has ion plans for them I think, in comparison, Quadianis (and other minorities) in Pakistan are indeed living in a utopian heaven. I guess, every minute of the day they must be gratful that they are living on this side of the border. What do you think YLH?

Ref zeemax #106

[{#102 Posted by dost_mittar,

I might add that Muslims in Singapore seem to be quite a happy lot.}

And why not because Singapore after all has a Crescent on its flag!]

So, if India changes the Ashok Chakra at the center of its flag to a crescent moon, you mufukkas will stop demanding Kashmir?

Ref Urstruly #126

[I have been carefully following this thread and deliberately did not post anything to divert the on going discourse. But realizing what happens to the Muslim minority in India and what Hindu majority has ion plans for them I think, in comparison, Quadianis (and other minorities) in Pakistan are indeed living in a utopian heaven. I guess, every minute of the day they must be gratful that they are living on this side of the border. What do you think YLH?]

Yes.

There are two million persons thronging the Pakistani High Commission in New Delhi clamoring to go to Pakistan, where they will get the same warm welcome the stranded Biharis in Bangladesh are getting.

How do you get Afghan hash in Detroit for you to be higher than a kite? Aren't the narcs on to you yet?