The Deoband Declaration on Terrorism: Why Now?

Nkg,

(It was the institution, which has fought for Khilafat movement. Have ever Congress thought about the dangerous consequence of this?)

Exactly!!! That's why some Pakis (like Yasser) and Hindoos (like me) are staunchly pro-MAJ (pbuh) and anti-MKG.

It may be of some interest to you that Deoband was by and large opposed to partition and Pakistan.

Regards

Re: # 17 do also perchance wear kashaaye angavastram!

Re: # 17

How does the support for Khilafat movement negate MKG's all other contributions? You would have to take into account the paradigm shifts that have taken place from MKG's khilafat supporting time to the time you have typed. I never knew that you are the mythical Markandeyan.


Did MKG choose to support the Khilafat movement as an act of contriving against a section of populace or his school of thought might not allowed him to see the euphemistic ideas, of the movement, that would morph in the future?

Dash_Dot:

One wishes that they had at least used "terrorism in the name of jihad/islam", but with 10,000 delegates representing different viewpoints, I guess this kind of diluted statement is all one could expect.

nkg:

This issue has been thrashed at chowk several times. I may agree with some of the points you make. But don't blame muslims for what Gandhi-Nehru did. As kaalchakra says repeatedly, Paksitan solved its communal problem in 1947 but our karta-dhartas did not. Too late now; we have to follow the constitutions, or else change the constitution.

Wah Mitter!

Pakistan solved communal problems just as Idi Amin solved problem of human suffering by cooking him and eating. Pakistan solved it by declaring itself utra Islamic state .. making religious minority third class citizens who do not right to protect their own daughters.

Wah Chor machaye Shor!

Come on, guru ji, you worry too much about daughters. Something has to happen to them, why not marry them off to the majority community?

guru ji, Pakistan has a MUCH better model of dealing with minorities, as evidenced in the relative peace between the majority and minority communities there, and the significantly higher level of minority satisfaction levels in Pakistan. (Before you ask if I have measured their level of satisfaction, I have certainly not heard them complain as much as our minorities.)

We in India need to immediately adopt the Pakistani model. That would be better for everybody and will avoid long-term problems.

eklavya#23:

"We in India need to immediately adopt the Pakistani model."

Not so fast, eklavya bhayya, you might end up losing your other thumb as well.

It's difficult to snatch even a toy from a child once you have given it to him and you are talking about a community which knows how to defend its rights. Even the weasly Hindus in Srilanka and Malaysia are protesting when their rights are being taken from them. In India, you would have a full fledged jihad, this time supported if not sponsored by darul uloom itself, if you try to impose something unacceptable to them. The majority community will be best served by accepting the settlement bequeathed to them by their netas.

Kaal bhai,

(Pakistan has a MUCH better model of dealing with minorities)

True. Get rid of the minorities, you get rid of the minority problem as well.

Regards

Kaal bhai,

Further to #25.

There is no guarantee that Proposition #25 wud solve the minority problems. New minorities can always be generated!!!

Regards

Re: # 23

"We in India need to immediately adopt the Pakistani model. That would be better for everybody and will avoid long-term problems."

Kaale Khan Saheb,

What is that Pakistani model??

Pandit Ladduji Maharaj,

(What is that Pakistani model?? )

Explained in #25. Get rid of minorities, get rid of minority problem as well.

Regards

majumdar#25:

"Get rid of the minorities, you get rid of the minority problem as well."

Two errors. Pakistan did not solve its minority problem, only communal problem, with "communal" as it is understood in India.

Secondly, Pakistan did not get rid of its minority "community". If you understand Urdu, its solution is best described by the urdu expression "tadapnay ki ijaazzat hai Na furyaad ki hai".

DM sahib,

When I was referring to minority problem I was referring to its "religious minority" problem and I am sure Kaal bhai too was referring to the same. I am sure he cannot be unaware that Pakistan has hardly had a great track record in dealing with LINGUISTIC minorities.

(Pakistan did not get rid of its minority "community". )

Well they did reduce the religious minority pop to 3% (from c.20% before 1947) which is not a bad achievement by any means, although not as good as Ataturk sahib's Turkey.

Regards

majumdar#30:

When I said "communal" as it is understood in India, it relates primarily to hindu-sikh-muslim thingy. Problems beween arya samajis and sanatanis or between sunnis and shias fall into sectarian category.

In Pakistan, you still have a sizeable number, around 5 million people belonging to minorities and that proportion has remained constant since early fifties. It's not the numbers but the "terms of endearment" that is important. Unless in India, minorities in Pakistan were never promised a rose garden, MAJ's August 1947 long-concealed speech notwithstanding.

Re: # 31

How did Pakistan solve its communal problem???

By turning into an Islamic state??

How the dhimmi-model is superior to the "sarva-dharma-sambhav" secular model??