The Deoband Declaration on Terrorism: Why Now?

DM sahib,

If India's minorities happened to be 3% of the population and that too divided between 2-3 groups of 1% each, they too wud not have complained (too much) about discrimination even if they had been promised the rose garden.

Btw it is not as if Paki minorities have not raised their voice against discrimination only since their voices are very small they ain't heard.

Regards

PS: Thanx for referring to my (and Yasser's) fave speech.

Ref nkg #16

[Actual ethnic minorities like Anglo Indians, Persians, Jews never complain about discrimnation or special law to protect their cultural identity.]

That is because they have not perfected the art of whining "They made me do it. Poor me! Woe unto me" the way Muslims have done for 1400 years.

Nor did they have that pseudo-Hindu Jwahirullah Nehru espousing their cause.

Ref dost_mittar #31

[Unless in India, minorities in Pakistan were never promised a rose garden, MAJ's August 1947 long-concealed speech notwithstanding.]

Jinnah-bhai knew exactly what fate awaited the minorities in Pakistan. He said they would be hostages who would ensure the good treatment of Muslims left behind in India.

Yaaser, dear boy, come on; pipe up on this issue.

Ref dost_mittar #4

[Indian Muslims do have choices and they are exercising it, this is why the Congress is worried. In the post-babri masjid period, Muslims have been voting strategically on a constituency basis to vote for the Candidate with the best chance of defeating the BJP candidate. This will continue. The best Congress can hope for is for Muslims to vote for it when the choice is between non-bjp candidates.]

Congress is the new Muslim League of India!

majumdar#33:

I have been reading Pakistani newspapers for over ten years now. The only minority voices being raised are that of Christians, the voices on behalf of Hindus are also raised, but not by them but by human rights or the PPP activists based in Sindh.

Ref dost_mittar #14

[In what sense are the muslims getting more than their share in India? Certainly not a greater share in the army, police, bureaucracy or economic pie in general]

They can compete for it if they want. Why should they be given quotas for being retarded Arab-wannabe's?

ISlamIslam#35:

I don't know about Jinnah but Maulana Maudoodi was quite consistent. He said that Muslims should accept the status of shudras/malechha in India just as Hindus should accept dhimmi status in Pakistan.
So, give some credit to islamists for being consistent.

[why do you make your name so difficult to spell correctly?]

ISlamIslam#36:

"They can compete for it if they want. Why should they be given quotas for being retarded Arab-wannabe's?"

How do they compete in the "approach" department?

Dost-Mittar writes [I think that the Congress Party has taken the decision to go ahead with the Indo-US nuclear deal despite the staunch opposition to it by the Communist parties...]

Sonia Gandhi has declared that there will be no elections this year. That means no nuclear treaty with the US and China and its fifth-column in India will be happy.

Minority members of the Pakistan National Assembly have alleged that Hindus were being hounded and humiliated to force them to leave Pakistan.[9] Hindu women have been known to be victims of kidnapping and forced conversion to Islam.[10] Krishan Bheel, a Hindu member of the National Assembly of Pakistan, came into news recently for manhandling Qari Gul Rehman.[11]

Hindus in what is now Pakistan have declined from 23 % of the total population in 1947 to less than 2% today. The report condemns Pakistan for systematic state-sponsored religious discrimination against Hindus through bigoted "anti-blasphemy" laws. It documents numerous reports of millions of Hindus being held as "bonded laborers" in slavery-like conditions in rural Pakistan, something repeatedly ignored by the Pakistani government.

Kidnap Hindu, Force Marriage to Muslim
January 04, 2007 12:00 PM EST




Sanao Menghwar has had three of his daughters kidnapped, then forced to marry Muslim men. That means that the young women were coerced into becoming Islamics.

This happens daily, particularly in the Pakistani Sindh province, according to Hasan Mansoor, reporter, Midday.com.

Other Hindus in the province worry when their daughters will disappear. Therefore, there are entire Hindu families leaving Pakistan for Canada, India or other nations.Menghewar and his wife left their house on errands. When they returned to their residence, their daughters were missing. They reported the missing young women to the police department, filing the necessary papers. Neighbors helped them on a search party to locate the daughters, but to no avail.

Menghwar’s daughters have yet to be found. However, authorities have arrested three Islamic young men assumed to be connected with the girls’ kidnapping. The men have been released on bail by a court due to the men being minors.

"’Kidnapping Hindu girls like this has become a normal practice. The girls are then forced to sign stamp papers stating that they’ve become Muslims,’ says Laljee Menghwar, a member of the Hindu Panchayat in Karachi."

Because of extremist Muslim threats, Hindus have had to turn to what those in the Netherlands are resorting to. Both areas have been under extreme pressure from maiming and killing Islamics so that the local citizens have put into action what one person refers to as "self-censorship."

There is no talk. There is no public utterance. There is nothing said negatively about the Muslims in the area for fear of being slain.

So it is that extremist Islamic killers international could overtake country after country, area after area. Instill such fear in the people that no one speaks the facts concerning local extremist Islamics kidnapping and killing; therefore, they have open skies to do just that — more so.

"’Hindus here are too frightened to vent their anger — they fear victimization,’ said one local."

KIDNAPPING GIRLS AND FORCIBLY CONVERTING THEM TO ISLAM

Jan 2006: Sindh's Stolen Brides : Hindu Girls Forced into Islam
Hindus continue to be the target of kidnappings, rape, and intimidation in Pakistan. There are reports of desecration and destruction of Hindu temples and lands, theft and looting of Hindu property, discrimination, abuse, and abduction of Hindu females.

Violence towards Hindu Women
A worrisome trend in Pakistan, particularly in the Sindh province, is that of Muslims kidnapping Hindu girls and forcing them to convert to Islam. One of the most egregious cases of intimidation and kidnapping of young Hindu women occurred in September 2005. On September 14, Hindu parents alleged that four men abducted their daughter in Sindh, and forced her to marry one of the accused and convert to Islam. The authorities arrested two of the abductors, but the court dismissed the case when the girl was forced to provide a legal statement that she willfully married and converted. Gayan Chand Singh, a legislator in Pakistan’s Parliament, said that the kidnapping should be categorized as rape and should be registered as such an offense for the abductors.

In a similar case, Sapna Giyanchand was taken to a shrine in the Shikarpur District by Shamsuddin Dasti, a Muslim married man and father. She was converted to Islam, her name changed and married to a Muslim man. When Sapna’s case was presented in court, Muslim extremists deluged her with rose petals and chanted religious sayings. Sapna, terrified by the setting, could not manage to speak to her parents, who were also present in court. Aziz, also in attendance, is claimed to have said, “How can a Muslim girl live and maintain contact with kafirs ?”

In a recent investigative report it is described how young girls, as young as 12 or 13, have been kidnapped in Sindh, converted to Islam, and forcibly married to Muslim boys. Kidnapping Hindu girls like this has become a normal practice. The girls are then forced to sign stamp[ed] papers stating that they’ve become Muslims. At least 19 similar abduction cases have taken place in Karachi alone, and 6 in the Jacobabad and Larkana districts. Wasim Shahzad, the Minister of State for Interior, upset legislators in the National Assembly when he was quoted by the state-run APP news agency as saying, “These incidents are taking place to force the Hindus to leave Pakistan where they have been living for the past 5,000 years.”

In a shocking incident, it was reported that three young Hindu girls had suddenly coverted to Islam. The three girls, Reena (21), Usha (19) and Rima (17) – daughters of Sanno Amra and Champa, a Hindu couple living in the Punjab Colony section of Karachi, Pakistan – went missing on October 18, 2005. Only after desperate queries to the police, the parents received affidavits stating the daughters’ conversions to Islam. Private visits with their daughters, free from chaperones and even police officers that have supervised their only interactions thus far, have been consistently denied. After their disappearance from home, the girls have been living at a madrassa (Islamic seminary) in the vicinity of their home and may potentially be denied the freedom to return home.

ISlamIslam#41:

That is, of course, yesterday's news. Let's see what the news channels are saying today. The Congress is flip-flopping so often on this issue that it is difficult to know what is going to happen.

Hindus in Pakistan allege humiliation

B. Muralidhar Reddy

An abducted Hindu girl married one of her abductors and embraced Islam

ISLAMABAD: Minority members of the Pakistan National Assembly have alleged that Hindus were being hounded and humiliated to force them to leave Pakistan.

They were taking part in a discussion on a calling attention motion on the abduction of a Hindu girl in Sindh province who has since married one of her four abductors and embraced Islam.

Responding to the motion, Minister of State for Interior Wasim Shahzad said the girl was abducted on September 14 and a case was registered the same day. "Two of the four abductors were arrested," he said.

The Minister said the girl gave a statement in the court that she has married one of the abductors and embraced Islam at Dargah Amrit Sharif. "In the light of her statement the court dismissed the case."

"Sensitive issue"

A member, Gyan Chand Singh, however, said her kidnapping fell in the category of rape and a case should be registered against the abductors. "It is a very sensitive issue which brings a bad name to the country," he said.

The Minister said the case was registered the same day the girl was abducted. "Everything is clear now after her statement in the court," he said.

Another member, Krishan Bheel, said many Hindu men were being kidnapped for ransom in Sindh.

"These incidents are taking place to force Hindus to leave Pakistan where they have been living for the past 5000 years," he said.

Another member, Ramesh Lal, claimed that the abducted girl was only 17 years old and she was not an adult. "According to Hindu laws a girl cannot marry till she is 20," he said.

Mr. Gyan Chand said that in view of the nature of the issue, a house committee should be formed to sort out such matters.

laddu#42:

So, you are disproving ek's and my theory; hindus are now able to whine in Pakistan.

Hindus targeted in Balochistan

Minorities, particularly Hindus and Ahmadiyas, continue to face a wave of violations in Balochistan, the area where Pakistan conducted its nuclear tests on the orders of President Musharraf in October 1999. The native Baluchs experience a severely degraded status since the occupation. Although the exact number is unknown, more than 5,000 Hindus were forced to escape from the unrest in Balochistan and enter Sindh in 2005. Militant Muslim groups have desecrated Hindu temples, set their homes on fire, and destroyed Hindu shops and property. Here too, Hindu females, particularly school students, are forcibly converted to Islam.[lxxxvii]



On March 21, 2005, sixty civilians were killed and one hundred and fifty were injured in Dera Bugti, Balochistan when Pakistan’s Frontier Corps attacked the town with “artillery shelling, rockets, and indiscriminate machine gun fire.” Among those killed were innocent Hindu women and children as well as dozens of Bugti tribesmen.[lxxxviii]
Depiction of Hinduism in School Textbooks

Extracts (translated from Urdu to English) from the government-sponsored textbooks approved by the National Curriculum Wing of the Federal Ministry of Education demonstrate the derogatory and inflammatory portrayal of Hinduism to the youth of Pakistan:[lxxxix]



· Grade IV: “The religion of Hindus did not teach them good things, [and the] Hindus did not respect women.”

· Grade V: “The Hindu has always been an enemy of Islam.”

· Grade VI: “The Hindu setup was based on injustice and cruelty.”

· Grade VII: “Hindus always desired to crush the Muslims as a nation [and] several attempts were made by the Hindus to erase Muslim culture and civilization.”

· Grade VIII: “Before Islam people lived in untold misery all over the world.”

· Grade X: “Islam gives a message of peace and brotherhood…There is no such concept in Hinduism.”