The Deoband Declaration on Terrorism: Why Now?

Ref dost_mittar #64

[Indian Muslims are double victims. First, they are victims of Nehruvian policies which encouraged them to have a separate, ummah oriented identity instead of becoming part of the Indian mainstream. Secondly, they are victims of the Hindu nationalists who still believe in the two nation theory and dont accept muslims as full fledged Indians.]

This is totally false.

Were Muslims given separate constituencies? Were they told to enroll only in separate schools?

No.

Indian Muslims chose all this voluntarily.

So, don't blame Hindu Nationalists for the Muslim mindset.

Why are some Indian Muslims waving the Pakistani flag in cricket matches between India and Pakistan? When half the Indian team is Muslim?

The best way to eliminate the Muslim vote bank is to eliminate Muslims from the voting rolls.

Pakistan dealt with its Hindu minority by expelling or forcibly converting them.

Since that seems to be ruled out as a choice (I wonder why), the simplest step would be to deny Muslims the right to vote.

Since it is agreed that the Muslims of UP, Bengal and Bihar were the primary movers behind Pakistan and that the Muslim population in Punjab and Sindh was not agitating for a separate Pakistan, there is no reason to accept India's Muslim population as full loyal citizens of India. Denying them electoral rights would be consistent with their stand that they wanted to live in a separate country. If they won't move their, fin. They just don't get to vote in this country.

That would mean the end of the Congress Party too.

Good riddance to bad rubbish!

While at it, the same thing should apply to Christians. Anytime the Christians demand minority reservation in government and Hindu educational institutions but do not provide reservations for anybody in Christian-run institutions, it is double dipping: what is mine is mine and what is yours is also mine. For that attitude, the Christians should be denied voting rights in India.

Re#59
Yes,the problem is with muslims.They are used to rule,
they cannot accept servile status[ unlike hindoos]

Ref dost_mittar #64

[Indian Muslims are double victims.]Nope, they double-faulted.

They demanded Pakistan but didn't move there: first fault.

They willingly went into their ghettoes and stayed there instead of coming out and attending schools and colleges like Hindus, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, Parsis and Christians did: double fault.

They double-faulted when the game was 30-love in favor of Hindus. So the score now is Advantage Hindus.

Tough sh!t.

Ref treetop #67

[Yes,the problem is with muslims.They are used to rule,
they cannot accept servile status]

Muslims are like the white trash that votes Republican in the US even when the Republicans are screwing them. Just like the white trash believes the Republican crap that hard work will make them millionaires like the Republican Party leaders and vote for tax cuts for the rich, Muslims think that they were the rulers of India. 99% of Muslims were working as farmers and leather workers; a miniscule group of Muslims, mostly Afghans, were freeloading on them and leading a royal life.

Brain dead diaper-heads!

Re: # 64
The jehadis caught by Karnataka Police have mostly studied in Govt. sponsored colleges. This defies your logic. I can feel the root cause of problem. Chronologically and quality wise Indian civilisation was much superior than moslems. The evidence is everywhere. Due to social turmoil, moslems had acuired power. With coersion and incentives they were able to bring some of the lower caste people into their fold. The coersion method have not worked for India (the way it had worked in Persia/Iran) fully ( Killing of Ayengars by Tipu Sultan, Story of Guru Gobind Singh). Now, after British has come, the brute force, by which these guys used to capture power, failed. Furthermore, British education has empowered Indians as well as created a united identity of India. Now, muslims can not frighten Indians. Neither, they can prove the utility of this mediaval practices in current India. So, the ghettoisation. Now, fuelled by Arab money, muslims are now trying to flaunt their pro-arab identity. When people mock and reject it, violence starts. For example, muslims students fasting according to some arabic calender. Why a college in India have to adjust it's academic calender to this? So, the student feels alieneted and then these students forms group like SIMI and try to harm Indian administration.

So the RSS thread is still going?

we might have to call shiv sena to stop the non sense on this board!

Furthermore...
DM, I agreee, majority ( Hindu) people are partly to blame for social isaolation as well. Neither we allow them in our celebration, nor we participate in their celebrations, may be the main reason. Both Congress and BJP need to be blamed for this mess.

DM

"Nehruvian policies which encouraged them to have a separate, ummah oriented identity instead of becoming part of the Indian mainstream."

How could Gandhi/Nehru not have encouraged muslims, as a group, to have an identity that was separate from non-Muslims, and was ummah-oriented?

Let's forget Gandhi/Nehru, dm ji. How can ANYONE today, in 2008, not encourage Muslims as a group, to have a separate, ummah-oriented identity?

May be Canada has succeeded, I don't know.

The only way was to give Muslims a separate country. A country specifically for Muslims would allow Islamists to dress themselves up as nationalists, if and when they wanted.

This was the most convenient and most moral option. And Gandhi/Nehru messed that up big time.

Kaal bhai,

(The only way was to give Muslims a separate country.)

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(And Gandhi/Nehru messed that up big time.)


2/3rd of (undivided) India's Muslims did get a separate country where most non-Muslims were killed, converted or driven out of the country and the balance who remained got used to dhimmitude.

So why did Pak and B'desh flop as nations. Surely the Hindu racist, casteist, fascist, misogynist, bigoted freak could not have been solely responsible for that.

Regards

the circle of jerks gather
saffroned all over
HP dipped his wicker
got poxed all over

#64 Posted by dost_mittar on March 13, 2008 3:24:22 pm


Indian Muslims are double victims.


Seeing as how muslims are behind in the US, UK and pretty much everywhere else, muslims are the ultimate victim..

now would you like a refill of the koolaid?

majumdar dada

Pakistan is a large country with nuclear capabilities. Within sixty years it has already established itself as the Ummah's most powerful member and the most active leader. Its thinkers and leaders are shaping and moulding the Ummah. It's rock solid. All Muslims - nationalists, Islamists - are behind it. By no means it is a flop nation.

After loss of direction initially, Bangladesh too is on its way.

India, by comparison, is nowhere near attaining similar status in its own domain of relevance and interest - the non-Ummah world. We are making some progress, but even the most optimistic of us wouldn't call India the most powerful nation of the un-Ummah.

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Probably we mistake what is happening currently in Pakistan as a sign of 'failure.' IMO, that is a wrong view. We are simply witnessing another cycle of dealing with unIslamic internal elements who had recently stopped playing ball honestly with Islamists.

Peace will return soon if all Pakistanis go back to playing by the same rules and with integrity. Otherwise, it will be a while before unIslamic elements in Pakistan are fully pacified.

This is a natural process unfolding, well, naturally.

#77 Posted by Eklavya,

We are simply witnessing another cycle of dealing with unIslamic internal elements who had recently stopped playing ball honestly with Islamists.

This is accurate. The Islamic forces basically grabbed the anti-Islam establishment by the scruff of the neck, lifted it off the ground, slapped it hard, and forced a regime change within a year. It's now upto the political Government to make suitable amends, or they too will perish.

In that respect the statement released right after the elections was clear "We congratulate the newly elected representatives, and expect them not to repeat the mistakes of the previous regime".

Thanks, zee.

Although Pakistanis can do whatever they want, it is truly tragic that sundry Sindhis, Pakhtoons, Punjabis and everyone else there would want to kill and bomb the very people who are most committed to Pakistan as a state and who have clearly sacrificed the most to build their greatest stake there.

There is a limit to how big, and how brazenly one can ask for, a free lunch, paid for by others.

Re: # 77
Bangladesh has made some progress, largely due to Indian influence on AL. They implemented most of the pro-people measures India suggests and what is implemented in West Bengal. India is dragged by MP,Rajasthan, Bihar, Orissa and UP. You improve these states, India will look far better. Pakistan is far behind, and will be for quite a long time.