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#341 Posted by zeemax on March 8, 2008 4:24:17 am
#340 Posted by tahmed32
If he was a spy, then Kashmir Singh was merely obeying his stupid orders, and as such did not deserve a single day in prison.
??? What if he was an enemy soldier killing ours ??? No prison too because he would be obeying orders ???
If he was a spy, then Kashmir Singh was merely obeying his stupid orders, and as such did not deserve a single day in prison.
??? What if he was an enemy soldier killing ours ??? No prison too because he would be obeying orders ???
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#340 Posted by tahmed32 on March 8, 2008 3:50:41 am
#336 Eklavia: If he was a spy, then Kashmir Singh was merely obeying his stupid orders, and as such did not deserve a single day in prison. The orders would have been stupid because it is stupid to think that his taking a few pictures here or there would make any difference in real life.
On the other hand, if he was not a spy, then he is just another example of how poor people from Pakistan and India have suffered in prison as a result needless political tensions.
On the other hand, if he was not a spy, then he is just another example of how poor people from Pakistan and India have suffered in prison as a result needless political tensions.
#339 Posted by guru on March 8, 2008 3:09:43 am
Masadi,
If you Show & Not Tell, then there will be some space for the reader's to own intended conclusion. This massaging of ego is necessary for their learning. Your way of breaking the coconuts is not the best. It has taken more than 150 years in making the coconuts. This guy is talking the same thing as you.
http://rajivmalhotra.sulekha.com/blog/post/2002/07/the-axis-of-neocolonialism. htm
Coconuts (brown outside white inside) is according the design of Sir Macaulay. But is there a precedence to such designs? Same is visible when set of people do not care for the land on which they are standing but consider distant desert holy land. If they have done once they will do next time. They realize when their kids grow rootless. But have compassion for these ignorants. There was a good utube infomercial on the origins of Federal Reserve. There is some truth but I wonder is it possible to fool all for all the time. May be it is possible. Did Arabs and Islamic invaders did the same thing to Persia, stans north of it or even south-east. Islam, Communism and to some extent Christianity demands becoming rootless?
Following may interest you.
I lament that we in Pakistan, those of us whose ancestors converted to Islam, insist on denying our pre-conversion history. For us, it simply does not exist. We invent tales of imaginary ancestors having arrived in the subcontinent duly converted to the 'one and only true faith' from some place in Iran or Central Asia. Pride of place of course goes to all those who subscribe to the yarn of their ancestors' heroic overland trek direct from Mecca. I know of families who possess genealogical charts connecting them to prophets of yore and, in one case, even to Adam himself!
Consequently, everything that transpired in this great and wonderful land of the Sindhu River before the arrival of these august (albeit imaginary) personalities was Kafir. To be proud of it is criminal; to acknowledge it negligent of religious duty. Not surprising then that some of us even have a problem mentioning Moen jo Daro and Harappa.
Since all our imaginary Islamic ancestors came from the west, we somehow got it into our heads that all those who came from that direction were also necessarily Muslims. An 'historian' at Taxila once told me that Alexander the Macedonian was one of Islam's greatest heroes. Similarly, on a visit to the village of Mong (Mandi Bahauddin) many years ago, a man floored me by not only commending Alexander as a personality of the Scripture but also for reviling Paurava (Porus in Greek) as a Hindu. But history remembers Raja Paurava as a man of rare character.
The Battle of the Hydaspes (Jhelum River) was fought in the year 326 BCE on a beautiful morning in late May after a night of torrential rain. The crystalline blue sky would have been piled up with cumulus when Paurava's Punjabis advanced to meet their foe the Macedonian, Greek, Scythian, Persian and even a brigade of Punjabi troops from Taxila. From even before day broke, it was a hard fought contest. And before the sun had started to wester, the Punjabis were in disarray. The battle had been lost.
Arrian, the Greek historian, writing four hundred years after this epic battle pays tribute to Raja Paurava thus — and there can be no greater tribute for it comes from a foreigner: 'Throughout the action Porus proved himself a man indeed, not only as a commander but as a solider of the truest courage...his behaviour was very different from that of the Persian King Darius: unlike Darius, he did not lead the scramble to save his own skin ... [but] fought bravely on.'
With all his units dispersed, Paurava, himself grievously wounded in the right shoulder, eventually submitted to an old philosopher friend of his and permitted himself to be led into Alexander's presence. Arrian recalls that encounter: '[Alexander] looked at his adversary with admiration: he was a magnificent figure of a man, five cubits high and of great personal beauty.' The cubit being variable in various parts of Greece, this figure would yet mean that Paurava was no less than seven feet tall! And Alexander of middling stature would have had to look up into those dark eyes and the sweat-streaked face.
It was then that the famous exchange took place that even the most ignorant among us know of. What, asked Alexander, would Paurava wish that the conqueror do with him and Paurava replied that he wished to be treated as a king. This much we all know. But Alexander had a farther query. 'For my part your request shall be granted. But is there not something you would wish for yourself? Ask it.' And Paurava the Punjabi who we are ashamed to claim as our own said that everything was contained in this one request.
Peace was made between the victor and the vanquished and it has been said that this was one battle where both sides emerged victorious. Alexander returned Paurava's kingdom to him and shortly after the death of the king of Taxila asked Paurava to look after the affairs of that kingdom as well. Just three years after this great battle on the Jhelum, Alexander died under mysterious circumstances in Babylon. That was June 323 BCE. Within years, the great Raja Paurava was assassinated and the story seems to have ended. But not quite.
In 44 CE, Taxila was visited by a Greek philosopher named Apollonius. The philosopher's account (kept by his diarist) tells us of two temples, one outside the city walls and the other by the main street leading to the king's palace. Both temples had large copper plate murals adorning their walls. The murals depicted scenes of battle from the struggle that had taken place on the banks of the Jhelum River three hundred and sixty-seven years earlier.
The account marvels at the finesse of the renditions: the colours and the forms were as though one were watching a real scene frozen in time. The murals in both the temples depicted Raja Paurava in defeat. The account goes on to tell us that these murals were commissioned by Raja Paurava when news of the death of Alexander arrived in Taxila. Consider: Alexander was dead in distant Babylon, his Greek garrisons in the Sindhu Valley had deserted and Paurava was now the unquestioned master of this country. As sole sovereign, he could have ordered the murals to turn history around and depict him in glorious victory and Alexander in abject and shameful defeat.
But the Punjabi king was not just great in physical stature; he possessed also a soaring spirit and largesse of the heart that few of us know. The king ordered the murals, so it is recorded by Apollonius' diarist, in order not only to acknowledge his friendship with Alexander, but also to preserve history as it had actually unfolded. In his wisdom the king knew that the creative passage of time was bound to alter history.
When the murals were put up, Taxila was what we today know as the Bhir mound. Two hundred years later, the Indo-Greeks shifted it to the remains we today call Sirkap. It is evident that the murals were admired to be moved to the new city. In the subsequent two hundred odd years the city was rebuilt several times as the various cultural layers show. Each time the murals were safely removed to a new site or they would not have survived three and a half centuries. Finally, in 25 CE Taxila was levelled by a severe earthquake. And when nineteen years later Apollonius arrived, the city was being rebuilt under a Parthian king and the murals had faithfully been reinstalled at the brand new temples. History was not permitted to be tainted.
We do not celebrate Paurava; we name no roads after him and do not teach our children of his lofty character because he shines in our pre-Islamic darkness. But can we today name even one leader possessed of just a shadow of the integrity and character shown by Raja Paurava?
Salman Rashid is a travel writer and knows Pakistan like the back of his hand
If you Show & Not Tell, then there will be some space for the reader's to own intended conclusion. This massaging of ego is necessary for their learning. Your way of breaking the coconuts is not the best. It has taken more than 150 years in making the coconuts. This guy is talking the same thing as you.
http://rajivmalhotra.sulekha.com/blog/post/2002/07/the-axis-of-neocolonialism. htm
Coconuts (brown outside white inside) is according the design of Sir Macaulay. But is there a precedence to such designs? Same is visible when set of people do not care for the land on which they are standing but consider distant desert holy land. If they have done once they will do next time. They realize when their kids grow rootless. But have compassion for these ignorants. There was a good utube infomercial on the origins of Federal Reserve. There is some truth but I wonder is it possible to fool all for all the time. May be it is possible. Did Arabs and Islamic invaders did the same thing to Persia, stans north of it or even south-east. Islam, Communism and to some extent Christianity demands becoming rootless?
Following may interest you.
I lament that we in Pakistan, those of us whose ancestors converted to Islam, insist on denying our pre-conversion history. For us, it simply does not exist. We invent tales of imaginary ancestors having arrived in the subcontinent duly converted to the 'one and only true faith' from some place in Iran or Central Asia. Pride of place of course goes to all those who subscribe to the yarn of their ancestors' heroic overland trek direct from Mecca. I know of families who possess genealogical charts connecting them to prophets of yore and, in one case, even to Adam himself!
Consequently, everything that transpired in this great and wonderful land of the Sindhu River before the arrival of these august (albeit imaginary) personalities was Kafir. To be proud of it is criminal; to acknowledge it negligent of religious duty. Not surprising then that some of us even have a problem mentioning Moen jo Daro and Harappa.
Since all our imaginary Islamic ancestors came from the west, we somehow got it into our heads that all those who came from that direction were also necessarily Muslims. An 'historian' at Taxila once told me that Alexander the Macedonian was one of Islam's greatest heroes. Similarly, on a visit to the village of Mong (Mandi Bahauddin) many years ago, a man floored me by not only commending Alexander as a personality of the Scripture but also for reviling Paurava (Porus in Greek) as a Hindu. But history remembers Raja Paurava as a man of rare character.
The Battle of the Hydaspes (Jhelum River) was fought in the year 326 BCE on a beautiful morning in late May after a night of torrential rain. The crystalline blue sky would have been piled up with cumulus when Paurava's Punjabis advanced to meet their foe the Macedonian, Greek, Scythian, Persian and even a brigade of Punjabi troops from Taxila. From even before day broke, it was a hard fought contest. And before the sun had started to wester, the Punjabis were in disarray. The battle had been lost.
Arrian, the Greek historian, writing four hundred years after this epic battle pays tribute to Raja Paurava thus — and there can be no greater tribute for it comes from a foreigner: 'Throughout the action Porus proved himself a man indeed, not only as a commander but as a solider of the truest courage...his behaviour was very different from that of the Persian King Darius: unlike Darius, he did not lead the scramble to save his own skin ... [but] fought bravely on.'
With all his units dispersed, Paurava, himself grievously wounded in the right shoulder, eventually submitted to an old philosopher friend of his and permitted himself to be led into Alexander's presence. Arrian recalls that encounter: '[Alexander] looked at his adversary with admiration: he was a magnificent figure of a man, five cubits high and of great personal beauty.' The cubit being variable in various parts of Greece, this figure would yet mean that Paurava was no less than seven feet tall! And Alexander of middling stature would have had to look up into those dark eyes and the sweat-streaked face.
It was then that the famous exchange took place that even the most ignorant among us know of. What, asked Alexander, would Paurava wish that the conqueror do with him and Paurava replied that he wished to be treated as a king. This much we all know. But Alexander had a farther query. 'For my part your request shall be granted. But is there not something you would wish for yourself? Ask it.' And Paurava the Punjabi who we are ashamed to claim as our own said that everything was contained in this one request.
Peace was made between the victor and the vanquished and it has been said that this was one battle where both sides emerged victorious. Alexander returned Paurava's kingdom to him and shortly after the death of the king of Taxila asked Paurava to look after the affairs of that kingdom as well. Just three years after this great battle on the Jhelum, Alexander died under mysterious circumstances in Babylon. That was June 323 BCE. Within years, the great Raja Paurava was assassinated and the story seems to have ended. But not quite.
In 44 CE, Taxila was visited by a Greek philosopher named Apollonius. The philosopher's account (kept by his diarist) tells us of two temples, one outside the city walls and the other by the main street leading to the king's palace. Both temples had large copper plate murals adorning their walls. The murals depicted scenes of battle from the struggle that had taken place on the banks of the Jhelum River three hundred and sixty-seven years earlier.
The account marvels at the finesse of the renditions: the colours and the forms were as though one were watching a real scene frozen in time. The murals in both the temples depicted Raja Paurava in defeat. The account goes on to tell us that these murals were commissioned by Raja Paurava when news of the death of Alexander arrived in Taxila. Consider: Alexander was dead in distant Babylon, his Greek garrisons in the Sindhu Valley had deserted and Paurava was now the unquestioned master of this country. As sole sovereign, he could have ordered the murals to turn history around and depict him in glorious victory and Alexander in abject and shameful defeat.
But the Punjabi king was not just great in physical stature; he possessed also a soaring spirit and largesse of the heart that few of us know. The king ordered the murals, so it is recorded by Apollonius' diarist, in order not only to acknowledge his friendship with Alexander, but also to preserve history as it had actually unfolded. In his wisdom the king knew that the creative passage of time was bound to alter history.
When the murals were put up, Taxila was what we today know as the Bhir mound. Two hundred years later, the Indo-Greeks shifted it to the remains we today call Sirkap. It is evident that the murals were admired to be moved to the new city. In the subsequent two hundred odd years the city was rebuilt several times as the various cultural layers show. Each time the murals were safely removed to a new site or they would not have survived three and a half centuries. Finally, in 25 CE Taxila was levelled by a severe earthquake. And when nineteen years later Apollonius arrived, the city was being rebuilt under a Parthian king and the murals had faithfully been reinstalled at the brand new temples. History was not permitted to be tainted.
We do not celebrate Paurava; we name no roads after him and do not teach our children of his lofty character because he shines in our pre-Islamic darkness. But can we today name even one leader possessed of just a shadow of the integrity and character shown by Raja Paurava?
Salman Rashid is a travel writer and knows Pakistan like the back of his hand
#338 Posted by VRV on March 7, 2008 11:38:21 pm
Ansar Burney did a very good thing that GoI is going to release 25 Pakistani prisoners (responding to Kashmir's release).
#336 Posted by Eklavya on March 7, 2008 10:24:19 pm
zee, dm
If this man was really a spy (and it seems he was), then Pakistanis totally messed this up.
Very badly handled. I would NEVER want a Pakistani spy to be released like that...
If this man was really a spy (and it seems he was), then Pakistanis totally messed this up.
Very badly handled. I would NEVER want a Pakistani spy to be released like that...
#335 Posted by zeemax on March 7, 2008 9:29:09 pm
#333 Posted by dost_mittar,
What makes the entire affair extremely suspicious is that this same 'Minister for Human Rights' Burney has been denying that the CJ is under any kind of detention and instead saying he's refusing to vacate the official residence, and has publicly supported the house-arrest of Aitzaz Ahsan.
Does a convicted Indian spy have more human rights than the referred two gentlemen?
What makes the entire affair extremely suspicious is that this same 'Minister for Human Rights' Burney has been denying that the CJ is under any kind of detention and instead saying he's refusing to vacate the official residence, and has publicly supported the house-arrest of Aitzaz Ahsan.
Does a convicted Indian spy have more human rights than the referred two gentlemen?
#334 Posted by ahmedmadani on March 7, 2008 9:18:14 pm
This petition is being addressed to president of which country ? Confused.
I was reading just now Tata company of india about take over Juguar and landrover compnay of UK from Ford company.
They said worker will be treated good etc.
What about people who have already brought Juguar and landrover will they be compensated for depreciating their driving machines in this take over ?
Can people go to courts in Britain ?
I was reading just now Tata company of india about take over Juguar and landrover compnay of UK from Ford company.
They said worker will be treated good etc.
What about people who have already brought Juguar and landrover will they be compensated for depreciating their driving machines in this take over ?
Can people go to courts in Britain ?
#333 Posted by dost_mittar on March 7, 2008 9:17:42 pm
zee:
In defence of Ansar, he never said that Kashmir was innocent, he obtained his release on humanitarian grounds only.
I personally think that in all such cases the two govts. should, through diplomatic channels, swap imprisoned spies held in their jails.
In defence of Ansar, he never said that Kashmir was innocent, he obtained his release on humanitarian grounds only.
I personally think that in all such cases the two govts. should, through diplomatic channels, swap imprisoned spies held in their jails.
#332 Posted by zeemax on March 7, 2008 9:07:45 pm
#330 Posted by akcheema,
Least these idiots should have done was to release this spy in a prisoner swap ... not unilaterally.
I don't understand what political purpose is served!
Least these idiots should have done was to release this spy in a prisoner swap ... not unilaterally.
I don't understand what political purpose is served!
#331 Posted by parthaab on March 7, 2008 8:45:08 pm
MALES, ARISE AND AWAKE!
Females are growing up through generations of pampering, and still expecting to be pampered as a ‘higher caste’ even in this day of empowerment, infidelity, and high divorce rates. This 'Womens Day' rose is not all perfume, but is laced with poison meant for you.
Already, we have draconian laws by which females can get their spouses and their families arrested. This, even though females in fact Prefer living alone and getting divorced - as seen in the 70%-female-initiated divorce in ‘no-fault-divorce US states’ - and inspite of CDC findings that domestic violence is EQUAL among both males and females.
And to top it all, the law requires that the male remain ‘indebted’ to her even after divorce, by paying ‘maintenance’! This, is inspite of a 40% and rising, divorce rate - encouraged by feminists who do not like women in the family being treated ‘equally’. While dowry should ideally not be a form of inheritance, minister Renuka has made ‘anti-dowry’ laws, making males easy prey for feminists wanting divorce. Thus at divorce too, females get ‘revenge’ by getting their males arrested and harassing them with unjust and lopsided laws.
These extremist feminists in the guise of demanding ‘equal’ opportunities, seek to destroy equality. Many males do justify their demands due to negative media male-stereotyping. But this sympathy is misplaced and is being misused by feminists. Complacency and inaction can destroy you, your sons and their sons too.
The government is already thinking of bringing legislation to reserve 33% seats for females. For just being a female! Already, they are preferred in jobs. 80% of all newly created jobs in the EU since 2000 AD, were given to females! And in our country, females have higher tax slabs, and even enjoy discounts for Rail travel, though the employment in BPOs is only 37% for males! Just for being female!
Males need to group together now; otherwise they must expect to be run all over by females. What should you do?
Please sign the petition http://www.petitiononline.com/dowry/petition.html
Join male-rights clubs in your neighbourhood
Raise your voice by writing to the media and your politicians, and talk to your other male friends.
Females are growing up through generations of pampering, and still expecting to be pampered as a ‘higher caste’ even in this day of empowerment, infidelity, and high divorce rates. This 'Womens Day' rose is not all perfume, but is laced with poison meant for you.
Already, we have draconian laws by which females can get their spouses and their families arrested. This, even though females in fact Prefer living alone and getting divorced - as seen in the 70%-female-initiated divorce in ‘no-fault-divorce US states’ - and inspite of CDC findings that domestic violence is EQUAL among both males and females.
And to top it all, the law requires that the male remain ‘indebted’ to her even after divorce, by paying ‘maintenance’! This, is inspite of a 40% and rising, divorce rate - encouraged by feminists who do not like women in the family being treated ‘equally’. While dowry should ideally not be a form of inheritance, minister Renuka has made ‘anti-dowry’ laws, making males easy prey for feminists wanting divorce. Thus at divorce too, females get ‘revenge’ by getting their males arrested and harassing them with unjust and lopsided laws.
These extremist feminists in the guise of demanding ‘equal’ opportunities, seek to destroy equality. Many males do justify their demands due to negative media male-stereotyping. But this sympathy is misplaced and is being misused by feminists. Complacency and inaction can destroy you, your sons and their sons too.
The government is already thinking of bringing legislation to reserve 33% seats for females. For just being a female! Already, they are preferred in jobs. 80% of all newly created jobs in the EU since 2000 AD, were given to females! And in our country, females have higher tax slabs, and even enjoy discounts for Rail travel, though the employment in BPOs is only 37% for males! Just for being female!
Males need to group together now; otherwise they must expect to be run all over by females. What should you do?
Please sign the petition http://www.petitiononline.com/dowry/petition.html
Join male-rights clubs in your neighbourhood
Raise your voice by writing to the media and your politicians, and talk to your other male friends.
#330 Posted by akcheema on March 7, 2008 8:06:28 pm
Re: # 328
Hi Zeemax,
For once I do agree with you; decent thing would have been to have kept his mouth shut.
There is no doubt the decision was a political one; now it compromises the chances of someone else, who may actually be innocent, in the future.
Hi Zeemax,
For once I do agree with you; decent thing would have been to have kept his mouth shut.
There is no doubt the decision was a political one; now it compromises the chances of someone else, who may actually be innocent, in the future.
#329 Posted by ijaz_gul on March 7, 2008 7:55:23 pm
A spy who was arrested, cout martialled and whose appeals were rejected with a death sentence is forgiven whimsically.
A judiciary that stands up to the constitution is removed and put in habeus corpes.
Alas!! What Justice?
Did it have something to do with our diplomat to Afghanistan?
A judiciary that stands up to the constitution is removed and put in habeus corpes.
Alas!! What Justice?
Did it have something to do with our diplomat to Afghanistan?
#328 Posted by zeemax on March 7, 2008 7:42:54 pm
Kashmir Singh admits to spying!
NEW DELHI, March 7: An Indian who insisted he was not a spy during more than three decades on Pakistan’s death row has admitted he was a secret agent after his return to his home country, a report said on Friday.
Kashmir Singh, 61, was freed by Pakistan after 35 years at the urging of its human rights minister and crossed the border to India on Tuesday, where he was given a hero’s welcome and showered with rose petals.
“I was a spy and did my duty,” admitted Mr Singh, the Press Trust of India news agency reported, adding he was paid about 400 rupees a month for his work.
“I went to serve the country,” he told reporters in Chandigarh.
“Even Pakistan authorities failed to get this information from me,” he said. He criticised the Indian government for failing to help him after he was caught in 1973, the report said.—AFP
This is the thanks the beyghairat gives for getting his sorry ass back ...
Why in the world did they let the B'tard go? He should have been duly hanged for spying!
It's fun anyway to see the shamed face of this dramey baaz Ansar Burney after this stupid excuse of a spy let him down after rejoining his 'love' in bhindiland.
NEW DELHI, March 7: An Indian who insisted he was not a spy during more than three decades on Pakistan’s death row has admitted he was a secret agent after his return to his home country, a report said on Friday.
Kashmir Singh, 61, was freed by Pakistan after 35 years at the urging of its human rights minister and crossed the border to India on Tuesday, where he was given a hero’s welcome and showered with rose petals.
“I was a spy and did my duty,” admitted Mr Singh, the Press Trust of India news agency reported, adding he was paid about 400 rupees a month for his work.
“I went to serve the country,” he told reporters in Chandigarh.
“Even Pakistan authorities failed to get this information from me,” he said. He criticised the Indian government for failing to help him after he was caught in 1973, the report said.—AFP
This is the thanks the beyghairat gives for getting his sorry ass back ...
Why in the world did they let the B'tard go? He should have been duly hanged for spying!
It's fun anyway to see the shamed face of this dramey baaz Ansar Burney after this stupid excuse of a spy let him down after rejoining his 'love' in bhindiland.
#327 Posted by hamidm2 on March 7, 2008 5:37:59 pm
Re: # 325
jayp mian,
.... you are really clutching at straws if you think mad masadi can help you in your jihad against jihadis ....... in his pink mills and boon book there is only one culprit - us elite ... in fact he thinks the us elite is more powerful than al-lah mian and the cow that just peed on your shoes ......
jayp mian,
.... you are really clutching at straws if you think mad masadi can help you in your jihad against jihadis ....... in his pink mills and boon book there is only one culprit - us elite ... in fact he thinks the us elite is more powerful than al-lah mian and the cow that just peed on your shoes ......
#326 Posted by jayp on March 7, 2008 4:00:00 pm
masadi,
Chow is a lot more than tahmed, hamidm and a few like him. We the silent majority need you, here on chowk.
masadi zindabad
hamidm and tahmed moordabad
Chow is a lot more than tahmed, hamidm and a few like him. We the silent majority need you, here on chowk.
masadi zindabad
hamidm and tahmed moordabad
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