Kashmir Liberated, Others Languish

For decades the Pakistan has been calling for Kashmir to be liberated. So this is all it was about!! :-)

Zee,

It is all elimentary. It was only you guys talking about the end of mushy, the PPP and company getting two third mjority etc etc ..and a golden era for pakistan. You all have failed to ask the basic question, has anything changed. Has there been a value shift in the political demands, did any party talk about law and order, jobs and water shortages. It is all personal politics in pakistan, you can see that even on chowk by the educated like you..the name calling, abuse and teh un-mentionalble in urdu and these are done primarily by the pakis. That is your mind set, you all cannot talk in a sensible manner without bringing the personalities in.

Irrelevant non-sense that si what the pakis are famous for, while the jihadis are blasting your doors apart.

is there any international law about the treatment of spies who get caught?

...being a spy is the ultimate patriotic duty any individual can carry out for his/her country.....because spies have no rights....if you get caught, your government denies your existence.......being a spy, unlike being in a normal war, is actually a crime.......and one foregoes the normal rights granted by geneva convention to combatants.....this is, infact, the argument usa used to torture taliban in guantanemo (incorrectly, as they were normal combatants and not spies)....

Article 5 of the Geneva Conventions states:

"Where in occupied territory an individual protected person is detained as a spy or saboteur, or as a person under definite suspicion of activity hostile to the security of the Occupying Power, such person shall, in those cases where absolute military security so requires, be regarded as having forfeited rights of communication under the present Convention.

In each case, such persons shall nevertheless be treated with humanity, and in case of trial, shall not be deprived of the rights of fair and regular trial prescribed by the present Convention. They shall also be granted the full rights and privileges of a protected person under the present Convention at the earliest date consistent with the security of the State or Occupying Power, as the case may be.

Re: # 13

Why not call it 'Matarwa Gardi'?

Just as I do not like people being kidnapped by dictator's intelligence agencies, I do not like people being released without a due judicial process. In other words a dictator cannot be given such powers to manipulate human lives as he wishes. That is the reason that Pakistan must have an independent judiciary and constitutional rule of law. Say no to banana republic.

Re: # 22 Urstruly Bhai,
Strange, I hated what you stood up (because of your religiously oriented views - since i had been on chowk for the last good 5-6 years) but somehow, all you said make sense - thinking from a moderate,fundo or anyone's point of view.

Your are so right on leaving someone just because Fauran-e-Azam says so!

Ras,

(One Kashmir has been released from prison. How about the other? )

Our side of Kashmir is already free - its people can elect their own state and national govt, they can freely practise their religion and their territory and soldiesr are not used for killing Momins in the name of the fraudulent WOT.

But the other half is not free as you have rightly pointed out. I am glad to know that not all Pakis are unconcerned about the Kashmiris they have kept in prison for 60 years.

Regards

Re: # 16
Yes...Pakistan should release that also. J & K should be united.

Re: # 19
Mr. drlokraj:
You have to exercise a bit of patience. Soon all spies of the world will unite and a charter of rights for spies will be laid down.

Kamath

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=100493



Assault on sovereignty







Monday, March 10, 2008

The reports regarding the new demands put forward by the US to the Pakistan government for the posting of military and auxiliary personnel within the country are shocking. They indicate that the US is eager to see Pakistan shedding an unacceptable degree of sovereignty and granting a licence to these armed personnel to wander across Pakistan, in their uniforms, doing more or less what they please. Two of the demands are especially galling. The first is that the personnel posted in Pakistan be exempt from Pakistan's laws and instead be covered by the US criminal system. Tied to this is a demand for waiver from any claim to damages for loss of property or death caused by US personnel. This implies that the US troops would not be asked to account for killing Pakistani citizens, whether military or civilian, or destroying their homes, villages or fields. A license to kill in a way.



The brash list of eleven demands also includes those for visa-free entry for US personnel, recognition of US driving and arms licences, exemption from taxation, free import and export of equipment without inspection of goods, unhampered movement of vehicles, tax exemptions for US contractors and free use of telecommunication systems. Quite obviously, Pakistan cannot even consider granting most of these demands. If it were to do so, it may as well raise the Stars and Stripes over the country, and accept a status as the 51st state of the United States. The demands made are obviously absurd and the question arises why they have been put forward at this time. It has been reported that the list, seeking the kind of freedoms the US enjoys in 'conquered' countries such as Iraq, has created a considerable flurry in official corridors.



Certainly, the actions of US private mercenary outfits, such as Blackwater, given contracts in Iraq are enough to cause shivers to run down collective spines. Blackwater's obviously trigger-happy men were involved in the shooting of Iraqis including women and children. They were then whisked out of the country. Crimes by US military personnel in Japan and South Korea, including rape, have also caused intense local hostility, since the personnel were exempted form local laws. While it is assumed the US, in its misguided notion of the 'war on terror', believes that through direct involvement in Pakistan it can help root out militancy, the opposite effect is more likely. Any US presence, particularly under any agreement giving personnel a blanket cover to do what they please, would only heighten the strongly felt anti-US sentiments that have fuelled extremism in the first place. This would mean only greater and more prolonged violence. It is time for the Pakistan government to firmly put the US in its place and advise Washington to act as a true friend rather than a would-be-conqueror. After all, any victory over terrorism will take brain and not just brawn, and it is wisdom the US today needs to show rather than might.

It's time to reflect on the shock the ppl of Pakistan underwent when Khalid Mahmood's body's delivered at Attari-Wagah border. It was very amusing to see the Pak channels going LIVE showing the release of Kashmir Singh. Within a week they received Khalid's deadbody (LIVE, I guess). It needs thourough investigation on Indian side to ascertain the facts behind the demise of Khalid.

I know how police treats anybody who enters the premises of a police station as an accused in India. Many lock-up deaths happen in India and police are never punished for such crimes.

We dont need spin but admission of guilt, if there's any. I hang my head in shame for this tragic death/murder of Khalid. I can understand how a noble soul like Ansar Burney is feeling @ this strange moment of truth.

police treat

This si the most common shortcoming in the reportage of Khali'd news in Pak media:

'Mehmood had visited India to watch the Pak-India cricket series, and was reportedly picked up by Indian secret agencies.'

Nobody mentions that Khalid was untraced for an year in India. Nevertheless, it's not an excuse to torture him.

thanks bulleya #20

Wrong title. There is nothing about land and people of kashmir.