New US Strategy Needed in Afghanistan and Pakistan

Masadi

"
The Quran states, if the prophet did anything wrong God will judge him, and we shouldn’t concern ourselves with what earlier generations that have passed away might have done or not done, their judgment is the domain of God alone.
"

Come 2009:
The AlQura-nyT states, if the prophet GW Bush (PBUH) did anything wrong God will judge him, and we shouldn’t concern ourselves with what earlier generations and their 4 yearly prophets that have passed away or retired might have done or not done, their judgment is the domain of God alone.

#504 Posted by ferozk,

Okay. You don't agree with Fisk's conclusions, even though this person lives and has lived in Beirut throughout its invasions and civil wars, and I doubt any other western journalist has seen Muslim resistance at as close quarters as him.

Let's forget about the nihilistic philosophies, reeds bending or breaking, Islam's rigidity to change (even though I have never really discovered what you guys would like it to change into?) etc for a moment. Never mind about all of that stuff.

Do you agree with the following of Fisk's conclusions, or not?

There is no connection between Islam and "terror". But there is a connection between our occupation of Muslim lands and "terror". It's not too complicated an equation.

If you don't, then we differ on the very basics, and there's no argument. I couldn't convince you, and you couldn't say anything which would convince me. Then we are at completely opposite poles, and only one of us will survive.

Nkg,

Khoja Ismailis are a sub-sect of Shias. About Wipro my point was that a great company has been promoted by a Muslim not that it is Muslim dominated. So theoreticially nothing prevents a Muslim entrepreneur from founding another Tata or another Birla or Reliance.

Regards

I was of the impression that USA attacked Afghanistan ( after Bamian Budhdha destruction) at the behest of Korea and Japan. These two predominantly Budhdhist countries were pressing USA to attack Afg. (Korea and Japan pays huge defence bill to USA). Taliban had no military power to attack USA or any EU countries. But without external civilian Afg. will starve.

re: tahmed32

The question of concern is not if there was nothing new in the article, but if the United States has capacity to endure this war for long?

Wars are about logistics and financing and not killing per se. For the record, have you ever wondered where the financial ability of the United States to wage this conflict is coming from?

The United States is financing this war by selling debt instruments, which are being picked by the Chinese, Japanese et al. How long will these nations keep funding the American war chest by buying dollars? Dollar since 1973 has been the international reserve currency and lately, it has been losing ground against all major international currencies.

How long will the nations of the world hold dollar accounts, when those accounts continue to depreciate in comparsion to the Euro, for example? Nations are already switching to "mixed baskets" of holding both Euro and dollar as foreign currency accounts, but with the dollar slipping, they might decide to cut their losses and move over to non-dollar based foreign exchange reserves and stop buying US Treasury bonds, whose sales are presently keeping the US economy afloat.

More empires in history have disappeared from the world scene due to economic over-reach than were destroyed by conquering armies. There was a proposal in the United States to offer citizenship for military service and Rome, when it was in its terminal decline, was giving Roman citizenship to the Germanic tribes in exchange for military service to "guard the frontiers of the empire". There is a hint of reality behind this and to understand the recruitment shortages which hampering the United States' military, just glance at the demographics of whose is doing the fighting in Iraq. Otherwise, if the American citizens themselves had been fighting and committed to this war, there would have been no need to proffer this idea as a solution.

Sirji, if I were you, I would be really concerned how you plan to fight this war when the money dries up. The Soviet Union did not lose militarily to the United States, but economically! Just remember that! :)

Ciao

Re: # 509
To Majuamder:
Wippro is not typical muslim dominated organisation. The S/W arm was basically groomed by Vivek Paul. This guy brought projects from his ex-employer GE. Som Mittal was also associated with Wippro for some time.

Re: # 509
Ajim Premji is Shia and to some extent similar to Persis. Persian moslems, like their other counterparts are quite successful. In fact Tata and MNCs in India have quite a couple of such people in their board of directors.
If you are bringing caste,
Shiv Nadar of HCL is OBC, Narayan Murthy is Brahmin. Ramaling Raju of Satyam is also not bania...Post 1990s, those who were able to grab the opportunity, had prospered...

Re: # 480; Zeemax

The "system" is NOT immutable; it has been mutated, revamped, changed for political reasons, exploited by the power-hungry, and openly challenged. What is happenning is not new if you look at the history of any religion. Islam just happens to be the "chhota bhai" amongst the "abrahamic" traditions. It is about 600 years younger than christianity; it was about that long ago when the roots of the current open-interpretation of christianity began. And it wasn't all achieved overnight.

Immutability is not necessarily a virtue Zee bhai. As a famous scientist said:

"It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change."

I reckon that applies to just about everything else just the same, religion being no exception to the rule.

As for the so-called renewed confidence you seem to have in the future of this doctrine, if it doesn't change, it WILL be destroyed; not necessarily through external forces but from WITHIN!

I leave you with another quote from the same person, who for now, shall remain un-named:

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science".

To Masadi and Majumder..

http://thelandofpure.blogspot.com/2008/01/tata-nano-indian-auto-re volution.html

I am not sure how true it is, but find the term ISB and read the post of a Pakistani student. Pakistan is definitely boost for moslems, but they are lagging in over all quality.

Zee sahib,

I am afraid this thread has already been hijacked and laid astray from its original idea. (sob wala icon)

Regards

Nkg,

"Hindoo comptt" has not prevented Muslim enterpreneurs from having successful companies of their own- Wipro, Wockhardt, Cipla, Mirza Tanners. If you notice carefully the first three companies have been promoted by businesspeople from a small Gujarat based community called the Bohras. Their socio-economic indices are probably superior to most Indian and Paki communities. So religion is not the only factor.

Besides I have no doubt that had India not been laid astray by Nehruvian Stalinists and assorted commie bas****s India wud have been a far wealthier and progressive nation than it is now and more likely than not IMs wud have shared in that (although still they wud have been behind Indian Hindoos and others given the headstart that Hindoos had)

Regards

#492 Posted by Ananth07,

Since madrassis are known to have bhindis where cocks are supposed to be, maybe they should be more accurately called bhindiroaches.

#489 Posted by majumdar,

Majumdar saheb, it's kind of disappointing to see you participating in the hijack of a perfectly sound and constructive thread.

Majumder
---------
PS: The Muslims of Pakistan have obviously done much better than some IMs, so why your hostility against MAJ (pbuh) and TNT?

That may be the true. If Pakistan would not been there, so would have been Habib Motors etc... To some extent empowerment. Indian moslems try to create such an automobile company, have to face competetion from Tata and Suzuki and would never be a success in this soil.

re: majumdar # 501

Agreed. The Muslim backwardness in pre-1947 India was the net result of their own choices.

Ciao

re: zeemax

I do not agree with Fisk's conclusions but I do agree with this article that the war in Iraq, as far as the United States is concerned, is now nothing less than a waste of resources. I still think that Islamic militarism has to be defeated, because in its very basic nature it is a nihilistic philosophy. This is going to be a generational war and its final outcome will not be decided or based upon final body counts.

A reed that bends in the wind does not break, but a reed that does not bend, breaks easily. I agree, that it is cliche, but it does make the point well that Islam's biggest handicap in this war is Islam's rigidity to change, because as this war evolves, the capacity to die for a cause or the willingness to kill for a cause will became meangingless.

The next phase of this war would be about ideas; whose ideas are better and the side, which is able to convince the world opinion of it's ideas as the better alternative, will emerge victorious.

Incidently, Zeemax, insulting me does not prove your points and so far, you have not disputed one of my arguments. The first person to insult another in an argument is the first one to admit that s/he has lost the argument. If your ideas are better than mine, than convince me of your ideas being better than mine. You only will convince me by changing my mind and not by seeking to issue fatwas against me or killing me because by killing me you will only have my dead body but not my acceptance to your ideas. :)

Ciao