New US Strategy Needed in Afghanistan and Pakistan

Masadi...


MAsadi : How come? I’m using your logic of assigning labels of “evil” and “threat”. For example look at this scenario: the FBI estimates that around 19,000 Americans are murdered every year, not by Middle Eastern terrorists but by fellow Americans, so let’s talk about the “American as your neighbor threat” etc.

A.S : you want us to ignore the killings done by Muslims.


The generic crime is not inspired by Islam. In Mumbai, 1000s of people die from railway accidents. These are accidents. The killers who celebrate killing by barking "Allahu Akbar" is inspired by Islam. Purpose of crime is Islam. Inspiration of crime is Islam. So, it is islamic crime.

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Masadi...

Moslems dominating criminal space...It is statistics.I have not created it. And the reason behind this is Islam ( Muhemmed was looter (Battle of Badr...). So a muslim finds no ethical dillema in such activity ranging from chain snatching to ogranised crime).

This left out of mainstream is something upto you/moslems. Nobody will push you to study/work hard and prosper. It is upto you and the value you inherit from your parents and surrounding.

Masadi sahib,

Re: 494

It is true that Muslims are backward as compared to other communities. But it is not becuase they are being systematically discriminated against. I will not deny discrimination to some extent but several other factors are at work here

1. The Muslim community as a whole was backward to begin with. Mainly becuase the community was in a state of shock and reaction at the loss of ruling community status and antipathy to the Brits.
2. The migration of the Muslim cream at the time of Partition deprived the IM community of a strong leadership which cud have shown them the way.
3. Vast section of the IM community consists of people from the backward and dalit communities and their stats are probably at par with their Hindoo equivalents.

You may not be aware of this but there are large Muslim communities such as Bohras and Khoja Ismailis who are very much Muslim but are among the wealthiest communities of India.

Similarly if your theory of Hindu unkindness is true, what explains the success of non-Muslim minority communities such as Sikhs, Christians, Parsis, Jains etc.

Re: 496

(so it has decided to take the polite route by keeping them out of all institutions as aliens at unequal par with the Hindus

Which are these institutions that Muslims have been kept out of? Do you have any evidence to back this assertion? Muslims are indeed very backward educationally but it is not becuase of systematic discrimination but becuase of other factors as well.

Regards

PS: The Muslims of Pakistan have obviously done much better than some IMs, so why your hostility against MAJ (pbuh) and TNT?

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Masadi...
That socio structural/medical reason is not applied for non-moslems in East Pakistan and Sindh!!! Within 50 years ( It is not mere 1% or 2%) more than 15%. And incidentally population explosion of similar people ( Sindhi/ Bengali) in adjacent areas of India (Gujrat,Rajasthan, West Bengal, Assam...)....
Muslim rulers (in that extent British rulers also) in India survived due to internal problem of Indian States and society.
Whatever level possible, muslim rulers have resorted to brutality and achived maximum. Aurangjeb had tried his level best and he had lost in all fronts (Marathas in West and Sikhs in North). A mere rumour in 1856 (cartidge with cow fat) have caused havoc to the British rulers. Christian missionary rulers had toned down their activity after 1856 uprising. Do you think moslems rulers would have been exception? Islamic invastion of Persia tells Islamic kindness....

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Masadi...
That socio structural/medical reason is not applied for non-moslems in East Pakistan and Sindh!!! Within 50 years ( It is not mere 1% or 2%) more than 15%. And incidentally population explosion of similar people ( Sindhi/ Bengali) in adjacent areas of India (Gujrat,Rajasthan, West Bengal, Assam...)....
Muslim rulers (in that extent British rulers also) in India survived due to internal problem of Indian States and society.
Whatever level possible, muslim rulers have resorted to brutality and achived maximum. Aurangjeb had tried his level best and he had lost in all fronts (Marathas in West and Sikhs in North). A mere rumour in 1856 (cartidge with cow fat) have caused havoc to the British rulers. Christian missionary rulers had toned down their activity after 1856 uprising. Do you think moslems rulers would have been exception? Islamic invastion of Persia tells Islamic kindness....

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Masadi...
Isolated incidents accross the world!!!!
Same Quoran, Madhressa, Mosque & terrorism accross the world is not enough!!!
Muslim and kindness are mutually exclusive (otherwise you have to revise the world of kindness). What kind of kindness you have found during moslem rulers? Destroying temples and establishing mosques on that is sign of kindness!!!
Killing people for not accepting Islam is kindness!!!
Moslem population in India is increasing in numbers. The criminal spece is almost near monopoly to moslems.If Indians were brutal, they could have easily eleminated these beasts. On the contrary, drastic reduction of population share of non-moslems in Sindh and Bangladesh (in both places around 24% and 35% to single digit 6% and 9% respectively within last 40/50 years). This is sign of muslim kindness or it is CIA/ISRAEL conspiracy?

#491

Is this the arian or the islamic mindset which looks down on the “madrasis” and the cockroachs ???

Gosh ... how madrassi cockroaches swarm around the kitchen floor when crumbs are thrown, or the name of Afghanistan or Pakistan is mentioned.

Anyone got an extra-strength cockroach exterminating aerosol?

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Dalai Lama is terrorist and Muhammed was Apostle of peace!!! Ha ha ha ha ha....Ultimate......

Masadi sahib,

(The Muslim rulers of India were too damn kind towards you)

Are you suggesting that imperialism is OK if the rulers are kind? Btw the Muslim rulers weren't kind to their own co-religionists (including their own kith and kin) let alone Hindoos.

(I just need to point to your numbers at the time of partition to prove my point European conquerors would have done an American Indian number on you.)

The European conquerors of Asian countries (India and Indonesia alike) did not decimate the population of Asians-Hindoos and Muslims alike, so what is your point?

(What your country has done to Muslims post partition is also inhumanity to the extreme)

You have quoted India's population statistics to suggest that Muslim rulers were kind people. By the same yardstick Muslim population has shown an increase since 1951 so how come Muslim rule was kindness and "Hindoo rule" inhumanity.

Regards

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Pavo,

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