Pakistan: The War of Drones

#713 Posted by zeemax
No one said that the majority of tribes and population in the area is not pro Pakistan. The FATA taliabn would lose support if they say anything against Pakistan and these criminals know it.

However, that does not support your implication that they are not fighting against the State. which they are! Otoh, Pakistan citizens can be criminals too.

Kaal is not a good example to bring in this debate as he said he does not know enough history to even understand what I wrote on Nawaiwaqt thread! He certainly does not know Pakistan better than me or you!

""We shall not allow Pakistan soil to be used for anyone to help NATO in Afghanistan"."

Non sense! Who are they to make this decision? I think you are just way too impressed with these criminals and their stories. For some even mafia is romantic!

I called it a stretch. Here is what I said and please don't use statements out of context.

"In Afghanistan they are fighting a foreign occupation so their tactics there can be justified, even though that would be a stretch too

"they control the largest single tract of poppy cultivation in Afghanistan in Helmand) "

The tribes in Pakistan have controlled the drug trade. It was taken away from them after the afghan war was over in the late 80s. They got it back by supporting the taliban and now it is out of their control. Taliban don't control any area in Afghanistan in Helmand or anywhere else.

Taliban in Afghanistan are hit and run group and don't have the resources to control an area.

HP,

The statement of Maulana Faquir of Bajaur is extremely significant in relation to the loyalty of the FATA tribals to Pakistan. Note what he said:

"We shall not allow Pakistan soil to be used for anyone to help NATO in Afghanistan".

This means clearly he considers FATA to be Pakistan, and NOT the Islamic Emirates of Waziristan, or anything else. Get it Sir?

I hope KaalChakra is listening too because strangely he, even being an outsider, has sensed the truth of how patriotic and committed are the tribes to Pakistan. We must appreciate that, and take the Urstruly advice and apologize and compensate them, and withdraw immediately from NATO support. No alternative is going to work.

#711 Posted by HP,

But protect their drug money and the illegal trade from whom? I don't see anyone fighting them for that but only for their support of the Afghan Taliban (whom you do not consider 'criminals' even though they control the largest single tract of poppy cultivation in Afghanistan in Helmand)

... could you please clarify?

Zee,
The Taliban in Afghanistan may be different but the ones in FATA are certainly criminals. In Afghanistan they are fighting a foreign occupation so their tactics there can be justified, even though that would be a stretch too.

What the taliban in Pakistan are fighting for? They are trying to protect their drug money and the illegal trade.

I went to the Hayatabad market and it is twenty times bigger than Bara! all that stuff is coming from Afghanistan. why would the business in Hayatabad care for some Islamic jihad when they have a legit business going on there? Otoh, the people in the tribal areas make money from arms, and drugs and blackmail. They need to protect that!

#708 Posted by HP,

HP he only said what I've always been saying and which is the truth. Taliban are NOT terrorists, the sectarians and the Kashmir Jihad splinters are! That's only what Maulana Faquir confirmed.

Zee

They appear to be two different statements!

Anyway, as I said the heat is getting to these criminals. The days of their sponsors in the army are coming to an end!

#691 Posted by zeemax
"3) They will henceforth not mask their faces because terror groups are acting in their garb."

That is what I wanted to confirm! I have not seen Express today so I missed this statement!

It appears that he is now disowning the groups something that he never did before! so the heat is getting to the criminals and believe me it is just the beginning...,these criminals don't know what is coming after them!

HP,

Here's the Jang link (also posted on Connect), but it doesn't give the ANP remark, but portrays support of Pakistan and its army.

http://www.jang.net/jm/3-16-2008/images/4232.gif

http://express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20080316/Sub_Images/1100370228-1.gif

#692 Posted by SR

I did not see this post earlier!

“It is not this government, or that government, or politicians or military etc. It is the state itself. The REAL ENEMY of the PEOPLE is the STATE APPARATUS aka ESTABLISHMENT�

Self contradictory statement

And what is the establishment made of? How do you [propose to change that? The problem with the old pseudo left (especially pro china!) is that they cannot think of solutions, they only think of opposition!

SR, Sorry you can’t figure out how to change the STATE APPARATUS, please don’t scream!

How could the State be responsible? It is the people or the establishment running the State, that is responsible and you find some political ways to defeat them instead of getting intimidated by a few criminals. The State is controlled by whosoever takes it over by any process.

HP, I have posted the news item from today's Daily Express, which has all the main points including ANP's Hindu connection, on Chowk Connect to your attention.

#701 Posted by HP,

HP I'll just reproduce the Jang link for you. I was replying to an email.

#695 Posted by ijaz_gul,

Ijaz, Maulana Faquir means 'pro-India' by saying 'Hindu connection', and not the Hindu/Sikh minorities living in NWFP. Are you aware there're many Hindus/Sikhs living in FATA itself? How many run businesses in their Bara markets?

The tribes, as by my experience of them, are neither sectarian nor discriminating in religion alone. The Kafir enemy who attacks them or tries to occupy them is a different matter altogether. They would rate even Pakistani Muslims as Kafir's in that case, as they have still not (I hope) done, but they will if sanity is not restored.

#700 Posted by zeemax

I did not see this statement on Jang! Any way it does not matter. Usually even taliban don't use such language for Khudai khadmatgars!

#698 Posted by HP,

HP, the video footage of Maulana Faquir's rally was shown on many TV channels last evening, plus news report is in Jang of today though the remark re ANP/Hindu connection was I think deleted. I'll locate the Jang link and post it in a few minutes and look for the complete transcript.