Pervez Hoodbhoy March 10, 2008
#713 Posted by zeemax on March 15, 2008 11:08:19 pm
HP,
The statement of Maulana Faquir of Bajaur is extremely significant in relation to the loyalty of the FATA tribals to Pakistan. Note what he said:
"We shall not allow Pakistan soil to be used for anyone to help NATO in Afghanistan".
This means clearly he considers FATA to be Pakistan, and NOT the Islamic Emirates of Waziristan, or anything else. Get it Sir?
I hope KaalChakra is listening too because strangely he, even being an outsider, has sensed the truth of how patriotic and committed are the tribes to Pakistan. We must appreciate that, and take the Urstruly advice and apologize and compensate them, and withdraw immediately from NATO support. No alternative is going to work.
The statement of Maulana Faquir of Bajaur is extremely significant in relation to the loyalty of the FATA tribals to Pakistan. Note what he said:
"We shall not allow Pakistan soil to be used for anyone to help NATO in Afghanistan".
This means clearly he considers FATA to be Pakistan, and NOT the Islamic Emirates of Waziristan, or anything else. Get it Sir?
I hope KaalChakra is listening too because strangely he, even being an outsider, has sensed the truth of how patriotic and committed are the tribes to Pakistan. We must appreciate that, and take the Urstruly advice and apologize and compensate them, and withdraw immediately from NATO support. No alternative is going to work.
#712 Posted by zeemax on March 15, 2008 10:57:07 pm
#711 Posted by HP,
But protect their drug money and the illegal trade from whom? I don't see anyone fighting them for that but only for their support of the Afghan Taliban (whom you do not consider 'criminals' even though they control the largest single tract of poppy cultivation in Afghanistan in Helmand)
... could you please clarify?
But protect their drug money and the illegal trade from whom? I don't see anyone fighting them for that but only for their support of the Afghan Taliban (whom you do not consider 'criminals' even though they control the largest single tract of poppy cultivation in Afghanistan in Helmand)
... could you please clarify?
#711 Posted by HP on March 15, 2008 10:46:58 pm
Zee,
The Taliban in Afghanistan may be different but the ones in FATA are certainly criminals. In Afghanistan they are fighting a foreign occupation so their tactics there can be justified, even though that would be a stretch too.
What the taliban in Pakistan are fighting for? They are trying to protect their drug money and the illegal trade.
I went to the Hayatabad market and it is twenty times bigger than Bara! all that stuff is coming from Afghanistan. why would the business in Hayatabad care for some Islamic jihad when they have a legit business going on there? Otoh, the people in the tribal areas make money from arms, and drugs and blackmail. They need to protect that!
The Taliban in Afghanistan may be different but the ones in FATA are certainly criminals. In Afghanistan they are fighting a foreign occupation so their tactics there can be justified, even though that would be a stretch too.
What the taliban in Pakistan are fighting for? They are trying to protect their drug money and the illegal trade.
I went to the Hayatabad market and it is twenty times bigger than Bara! all that stuff is coming from Afghanistan. why would the business in Hayatabad care for some Islamic jihad when they have a legit business going on there? Otoh, the people in the tribal areas make money from arms, and drugs and blackmail. They need to protect that!
#710 Posted by zeemax on March 15, 2008 10:32:25 pm
#708 Posted by HP,
HP he only said what I've always been saying and which is the truth. Taliban are NOT terrorists, the sectarians and the Kashmir Jihad splinters are! That's only what Maulana Faquir confirmed.
HP he only said what I've always been saying and which is the truth. Taliban are NOT terrorists, the sectarians and the Kashmir Jihad splinters are! That's only what Maulana Faquir confirmed.
#709 Posted by HP on March 15, 2008 10:19:59 pm
Zee
They appear to be two different statements!
Anyway, as I said the heat is getting to these criminals. The days of their sponsors in the army are coming to an end!
They appear to be two different statements!
Anyway, as I said the heat is getting to these criminals. The days of their sponsors in the army are coming to an end!
#708 Posted by HP on March 15, 2008 10:16:52 pm
#691 Posted by zeemax
"3) They will henceforth not mask their faces because terror groups are acting in their garb."
That is what I wanted to confirm! I have not seen Express today so I missed this statement!
It appears that he is now disowning the groups something that he never did before! so the heat is getting to the criminals and believe me it is just the beginning...,these criminals don't know what is coming after them!
"3) They will henceforth not mask their faces because terror groups are acting in their garb."
That is what I wanted to confirm! I have not seen Express today so I missed this statement!
It appears that he is now disowning the groups something that he never did before! so the heat is getting to the criminals and believe me it is just the beginning...,these criminals don't know what is coming after them!
#707 Posted by zeemax on March 15, 2008 10:16:20 pm
HP,
Here's the Jang link (also posted on Connect), but it doesn't give the ANP remark, but portrays support of Pakistan and its army.
http://www.jang.net/jm/3-16-2008/images/4232.gif
Here's the Jang link (also posted on Connect), but it doesn't give the ANP remark, but portrays support of Pakistan and its army.
http://www.jang.net/jm/3-16-2008/images/4232.gif
#706 Posted by zeemax on March 15, 2008 10:10:10 pm
http://express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20080316/Sub_Images/1100370228-1.gif
#705 Posted by HP on March 15, 2008 10:10:00 pm
#692 Posted by SR
I did not see this post earlier!
“It is not this government, or that government, or politicians or military etc. It is the state itself. The REAL ENEMY of the PEOPLE is the STATE APPARATUS aka ESTABLISHMENT”
Self contradictory statement
And what is the establishment made of? How do you [propose to change that? The problem with the old pseudo left (especially pro china!) is that they cannot think of solutions, they only think of opposition!
SR, Sorry you can’t figure out how to change the STATE APPARATUS, please don’t scream!
How could the State be responsible? It is the people or the establishment running the State, that is responsible and you find some political ways to defeat them instead of getting intimidated by a few criminals. The State is controlled by whosoever takes it over by any process.
I did not see this post earlier!
“It is not this government, or that government, or politicians or military etc. It is the state itself. The REAL ENEMY of the PEOPLE is the STATE APPARATUS aka ESTABLISHMENT”
Self contradictory statement
And what is the establishment made of? How do you [propose to change that? The problem with the old pseudo left (especially pro china!) is that they cannot think of solutions, they only think of opposition!
SR, Sorry you can’t figure out how to change the STATE APPARATUS, please don’t scream!
How could the State be responsible? It is the people or the establishment running the State, that is responsible and you find some political ways to defeat them instead of getting intimidated by a few criminals. The State is controlled by whosoever takes it over by any process.
#704 Posted by zeemax on March 15, 2008 10:09:53 pm
HP, I have posted the news item from today's Daily Express, which has all the main points including ANP's Hindu connection, on Chowk Connect to your attention.
#703 Posted by zeemax on March 15, 2008 10:00:12 pm
#701 Posted by HP,
HP I'll just reproduce the Jang link for you. I was replying to an email.
HP I'll just reproduce the Jang link for you. I was replying to an email.
#702 Posted by zeemax on March 15, 2008 9:59:16 pm
#695 Posted by ijaz_gul,
Ijaz, Maulana Faquir means 'pro-India' by saying 'Hindu connection', and not the Hindu/Sikh minorities living in NWFP. Are you aware there're many Hindus/Sikhs living in FATA itself? How many run businesses in their Bara markets?
The tribes, as by my experience of them, are neither sectarian nor discriminating in religion alone. The Kafir enemy who attacks them or tries to occupy them is a different matter altogether. They would rate even Pakistani Muslims as Kafir's in that case, as they have still not (I hope) done, but they will if sanity is not restored.
Ijaz, Maulana Faquir means 'pro-India' by saying 'Hindu connection', and not the Hindu/Sikh minorities living in NWFP. Are you aware there're many Hindus/Sikhs living in FATA itself? How many run businesses in their Bara markets?
The tribes, as by my experience of them, are neither sectarian nor discriminating in religion alone. The Kafir enemy who attacks them or tries to occupy them is a different matter altogether. They would rate even Pakistani Muslims as Kafir's in that case, as they have still not (I hope) done, but they will if sanity is not restored.
#701 Posted by HP on March 15, 2008 9:58:20 pm
#700 Posted by zeemax
I did not see this statement on Jang! Any way it does not matter. Usually even taliban don't use such language for Khudai khadmatgars!
I did not see this statement on Jang! Any way it does not matter. Usually even taliban don't use such language for Khudai khadmatgars!
#700 Posted by zeemax on March 15, 2008 9:49:36 pm
#698 Posted by HP,
HP, the video footage of Maulana Faquir's rally was shown on many TV channels last evening, plus news report is in Jang of today though the remark re ANP/Hindu connection was I think deleted. I'll locate the Jang link and post it in a few minutes and look for the complete transcript.
HP, the video footage of Maulana Faquir's rally was shown on many TV channels last evening, plus news report is in Jang of today though the remark re ANP/Hindu connection was I think deleted. I'll locate the Jang link and post it in a few minutes and look for the complete transcript.
#699 Posted by HP on March 15, 2008 9:27:47 pm
#697 Posted by ijaz_gul
"Just like the Government looses its writ in the lawless areas, Greenbacks proliferate."
The whole thing is about the free flow of the greenbacks. I will look forward to your analysis!
"Just like the Government looses its writ in the lawless areas, Greenbacks proliferate."
The whole thing is about the free flow of the greenbacks. I will look forward to your analysis!
#698 Posted by HP on March 15, 2008 9:22:23 pm
#691 Posted by zeemax
Please Post the link to this statement!
Asfand of ANP took a great stand when he called them criminals and demanded strong action against these criminals. Unfortunately, the Pak media is not reporting his statement!
Perhaps the leader of the gang of criminals wants to get back at Asfand for saying the right thing!
"
2) They will not negotiate with ANP till ANP ends its Hindu connection."
Who wants to negotiate with these criminals? Not Asfand! Nawaz can't talk to these criminals without ANP approval first! Though no matter what the leader of the criminals says,Even Nawaz would not talk with them. The criminals attempt to split the ANP/PMLn/PPP is at par with Mush's efforts.
Birds of a feather!
Please Post the link to this statement!
Asfand of ANP took a great stand when he called them criminals and demanded strong action against these criminals. Unfortunately, the Pak media is not reporting his statement!
Perhaps the leader of the gang of criminals wants to get back at Asfand for saying the right thing!
"
2) They will not negotiate with ANP till ANP ends its Hindu connection."
Who wants to negotiate with these criminals? Not Asfand! Nawaz can't talk to these criminals without ANP approval first! Though no matter what the leader of the criminals says,Even Nawaz would not talk with them. The criminals attempt to split the ANP/PMLn/PPP is at par with Mush's efforts.
Birds of a feather!
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