Pakistan: The War of Drones

HP,
As we probe deeper and get to the eye of the storm, the religious factor gets into oblivion. Right now I am researching an issue and shall post it after having completed it. Suffice to make a sweeping statement. Its all about the "ECONOMICS OF MILTANCY". Just like the Government looses its writ in the lawless areas, Greenbacks proliferate.

HP,
As we probe deeper and get to the eye of the storm, the religious factor gets into oblivion. Right now I am researching an issue and shall post it after having completed it. Suffice to make a sweeping statement. Its all about the "ECONOMICS OF MILTANCY". Just like the Government looses its writ in the lawless areas, Greenbacks proliferate.

Zeemax,
When Mulana Faqir says what he says, it means words are put in his mouth.

ANP is a Pakistani party and its members have sworne by the constitution many times. Wali Khan was one of the signatories to the original constitution.

What does the maulana mean by pro Hindu. Are not Hindus the biggest minority group in Pakistan. Dony Hindus and Sikhs live in Waziristan? None of them are killed in the name of jehad so far.

Its a clevely drafted statement hitting at divides in our country. Who does it? You know as much as I do.

#681 Posted by SR

“And we didn't have to wait long for another "message" to be delivered. This was at the Supermarket in F-6, at an upscale Italian Restaurant. Perhaps HP will no longer claim that there was a ISI safe house next door.”

It is very important for an educated person to absorb the whole thing before commenting on it. There is no message. It was perhaps a grenade or two tossed by some Lal Masjid type mullah.

Some people tossed Grenades in Gohati, Assam too killing three people injuring fifty!

The first mistake you make in your analysis is that you assume that there is one well organized group in Pakistan that has thought about all the messages and planned for the next ten years! Nothing of that sort exists. There are many groups and they are going out in their crazy and criminal pursuits of some undefined goals. In their frustration after being rejected by the people, they have started bombing. You must be really weak-kneed that some thugs and criminals intimidate you.

contd... #691:

... The distinction is made easier by looking at the pattern of the attacks and whom these targeted.

The fourth group(s) (i.e. the sectarians plus the break-away Kashmir Jihad splinters) had no conflict with the military but rather with the Police and the domestic intelligence agencies like FIA and Intelligence Bureau (IB) whom had been entrusted with going after them in the 90s. The Police and FIA were exclusively targeted, and not the military or the cantonments, in Lahore by organisations mainly based in Sargodha district in Punjab (hub of Sipah-e - Sahaba / Lashkar-e-Jhangvi) as per the investigations. The bombings in Charsadda / Peshawar mosques can be attributed to the sectarians amongst the two above.

The blowback from Jamia Hafsa was exclusively aimed at the hard as well as soft targets of military/ISI, chiefly in Garrison town of Rawalpindi - and others in Tarbela, Risalpur, Nowshera, Kohat, Bannu etc apart from the check posts/convoy bombings in Swat and FATA - and not at the Police or Domestic Intelligence agencies. These are components of the openly declared war between Pakistani Taliban and the Pakistani army, and only the ignorant will categorize these along with the former.

The problem will not be solved unless first it is clearly understood by those in-charge in Government mouthing wholesale Islomophobic hubris.

Re: # 686 Urstruly ["... if a country has secret ... torture centers, ... the country is a .. banana republic. ... the regime running it should be triued in Hague for crimes against humanity..."]

I generally agree with all you've written in this post except that I have a fundamental point of dispute about the regime running it ...

Yes, agreed, that the present rulers should be brought to justice, but that WILL NOT solve anything. This problem is not regime specific. It is a fundamental systemic problem. It is not this government, or that government, or politicians or military etc. It is the state itself. The REAL ENEMY of the PEOPLE is the STATE APPARATUS aka ESTABLISHMENT itself and NOT individuals. I've said before that even if you brought back two of your favorite members from the Khulfa-i-Rashideen and made them president and prime minister and brought back Khalid-bin-Waleed and appointed him COAS, even then the fcuked up system WILL NOT CHANGE. The system is DESIGNED to be corrupt and exploitative. The federal state is the real enemy. Not specific individuals.

I say this as one who was himself a wrongful victim of detention and torture back in 1974 at the hands of Zulifkar Ali Bhutto's regime. I was the lucky one who got out and lives to tell the tale.

This went on under Jehilat Ali Khan, Ghulam Mardood, Kanjar Mirza, Ayub and Yahya, as well as under Bezamir and Nawaz Badmash. And, of course, we all know about what happened under general Zina-al-Fak...

...SR

Policy statement issued by Pakistani Taliban.

Maulana Faqir, second in command after Baitullah Mehsud and head of the 10,000 strong Bajaur Militia, said the following at a large gathering yesterday:

1) They're willing to talk to Nawaz Sharif because he has never said anything against Taliban.

2) They will not negotiate with ANP till ANP ends its Hindu connection.

3) They will henceforth not mask their faces because terror groups are acting in their garb.

Revealing? This confirms my categorization that three out of four militancy organizations have no interest in destabilizing Pakistan or its politics, while the fourth is taking advantage of the free-for-all to settle scores because an easy scapegoat is available. The Indian connection of ANP (Frontier Gandhis?) is also brought to light.

Pakistan should know whom to negotiate with and whom to go after. Nawaz Sharif had earlier successfully dealt with the fourth group in the 90s, and can certainly deal with its splinter off-shoots now. Distinctions will clearly need to be made.

Yesterday's targeting of Americans would nevertheless be by Swat or FATA Taliban, while the Lahore ones by the fourth group(s). If NATO keeps bombing tribals, their soft targets all over Pakistan will continue to be hit wherever these could be found.

The bombings of late shows some inside info that the jihadis have about the military and their other targets. This is a good sign, at last the jihadis have access to military information and at last the army and the jihadis are uniting to purge the western elements.

Re: # 688

What really surprises me is the arrogance and in-your-face bravado which they have to come out openly in public space. This despite how they are butchering local population and insulting their religious icons at the same time.

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Re: # 686

The government statement in myy last post was reported by ARY.

SR:

It is correct that the Batalvi's house was not a detention center, but the house at its rear indeed was an interregation and torture center. It was reported by none other but BBC. That is the reason the truck drove all the way to the back where the servent quarters were and the exploded adjacent to the house in the rear. The government's one of the nmany responses -other than finding heads of the suicide bombers, breaking the back of terrorists, and not giving further permission to anyone to wreak such havoc was - that the government "will move all such facilities out of the residential and urban areas..."

Beside all that, the point is that if a country has secret detention, interrogation, and torture centers, it doesn't matter where, it only means that the country is a pretty fukked up banana republic. And the regime running it should be triued in Hague for crimes against humanity.

End to hippocrazy,

The italian restaurant bombed was the only one serving alcohol, and this should teach them a lesson. It is time that pakistanis start demanding integrity in teh society, this is a right step, the legacy of teh gin drinking and pork eating man founding an islamic society has to stop.

hippocrazy moordabad.

Implosion of a nation.

AS the suicide bombers are exploding while the students and people are engaged in protest marches against a danish cartoon, there is serious implosion of the economy, un-noticed

from jang of today

Sugarcane being sold to brick kilns as fuel
Punjab mills stop buying; growers in quandary as exploitation of farmers continues across country

Saturday, March 15, 2008
By Shahzad Anwar

KARACHI: The cash crop of sugar cane that has in recent past caused sugar crisis and rocked the governments due to sugar scandals is being sold as fuel to brick kilns in Punjab as sugar mills are not willing to buy cane.

................ Growers complain that sugar mills are not ready to purchase their produce.

The highest desperation is reported from some areas of Punjab particularly in Sargodha District where growers are helplessly selling sugarcane to brick kilns at throwaway prices, whereas kiln owners used one of the major cash crops as fuel purpose.

“It is worst situation and never happened in the history of the country,” Chairman Sindh Abadgar Board Abdul Majeed Nizamani commented while talking to The News. The long queues of trolleys loaded with sugarcane are noticed outside each sugar mill in Punjab.

With todays attack on the italian restaurant, the jihadis have finally started attacking the elites. The YLH and tahmeds who for a long time maintained that jihad is a tribal issue, linked to poverty, at last the proof is emerging that all of pakistan is afflicted by the TNT -strain of islam. the next targets will be the generals, retired and serving, who have most benefitted from the military.

Pakistan is OK

Every day, first I read the indian news reports, then I read jang and dawn. When I find a few reports of bomb blasts, a few reports of paki troops attacking their own citizens with artilary and helicopter gunships, I feel secure, good the pakistan I know has not changed. That is a good feeling, good to know that the founding priciples of pakistan, the TNT, which requires it to attack another has not changed.

The hindus and christians in pakistan have been knocked, most of teh ahmadias have escaped, most of teh shia doctors and other wealthy have been killed, an now the pak society have identified the tribals to attack, the second of teh two nation theory.

Pakistan is an amoebaic society, it continously divides it self and one attacks the other. I admire the genious of jinnah, he had a good understanding of teh pak society.