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#617 Posted by tahmed32 on March 14, 2008 1:45:08 am
jay thakeray #614 "wait a decade". almost a decade ago on chowk you were confidently predicting the demise of pakistan too. pakistan will be around long after you have reincarnated as a low caste flea.
#616 Posted by majumdar on March 14, 2008 1:44:11 am
Jayp,
(There is no doubt what so ever that the jihadis will defeat the army, wait a decade.)
I suppose you wud think that is a good thing for India, no?
Regards
(There is no doubt what so ever that the jihadis will defeat the army, wait a decade.)
I suppose you wud think that is a good thing for India, no?
Regards
#615 Posted by majumdar on March 14, 2008 1:42:41 am
Zee sahib,
(even found supporting the Indian spy )
I presume this crime wud be worse than the other things you have mentioned in # 612.
Regards
(even found supporting the Indian spy )
I presume this crime wud be worse than the other things you have mentioned in # 612.
Regards
#614 Posted by jayp on March 14, 2008 1:42:27 am
Re: # 608
majumdar,
all of your suggestions are impractical and does not take into account the reality of pakistan.
Pak army is in power, they control nearly 10 percent of the pak GDP through the trucking to corn flakes making operations. Army is the largest industrial group in pakistan.
The only group that can take on the army are the jihadis and their numbers are increasing, which is a good thing. More are coming out of the madrassas. Support from the abdul pakis for the jihadis are on the increase, as zeemax tells, now jihad is an all pakistan, educated pakistani operation. Lal majid and the recent LUMS college sup[port for taliban are anecdotal evidence of the increasing base of the jihadis.
There is no doubt what so ever that the jihadis will defeat the army, wait a decade.
majumdar,
all of your suggestions are impractical and does not take into account the reality of pakistan.
Pak army is in power, they control nearly 10 percent of the pak GDP through the trucking to corn flakes making operations. Army is the largest industrial group in pakistan.
The only group that can take on the army are the jihadis and their numbers are increasing, which is a good thing. More are coming out of the madrassas. Support from the abdul pakis for the jihadis are on the increase, as zeemax tells, now jihad is an all pakistan, educated pakistani operation. Lal majid and the recent LUMS college sup[port for taliban are anecdotal evidence of the increasing base of the jihadis.
There is no doubt what so ever that the jihadis will defeat the army, wait a decade.
#613 Posted by tahmed32 on March 14, 2008 1:41:32 am
#612 zeemax: so many accusations in one post!! cut and paste what i wrote to back your words - otherwise join masadi in the hypocrite corner.
#612 Posted by zeemax on March 14, 2008 1:39:27 am
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#611 Posted by tahmed32 on March 14, 2008 1:38:37 am
majumdar sahib #608 a lot of what you say is starting to happen. Musharraf had an interest in keeping terrorism at a certain level since that made him the "indispensible man". During his time, Pakistanis saw the WOT as a US war and mush promoted that wrong concept by pretending to be fighting this war under US duress only .
The civilian government otoh is treating terrorism as Pakistani's fight, and is already being pressured by those who have seen the true face of the terrorist - ANP from the frontier is pushing for it and now people in Lahore too.
The civilian government otoh is treating terrorism as Pakistani's fight, and is already being pressured by those who have seen the true face of the terrorist - ANP from the frontier is pushing for it and now people in Lahore too.
#609 Posted by jayp on March 14, 2008 1:35:54 am
Pakistan army wants to have exclusive rights to kill their own citizens from helicopter gun ships, and they have protested against cross border firings.
Many might consider this as stupid idea, but from an islamic point of view this is very valid, only the paki soldiers should kill pakis. You may recall that all those killed by the jihadis are called shaheeds, they are entitled for teh 72 houris, and the suicide bomber in turn is also a shaheed, and all of the dead are happy. Paki army being a jihadic army, the paki mulsims killed by the army are shaheeds,a and hence they should be happy.
I do hope that teh NATO forces understand the islamic doctrines and leave the killings to paki army.
from dawn of today
Protest lodged over US firing
MIRAMSHAH, March 13: Pakistan lodged a protest with coalition forces in Afghanistan on Thursday after two Pakistani women and two children were killed by US fire from across the border, the army said.
The US-led coalition confirmed that it had launched a ‘precision guided’ strike on Pakistani territory but said it targeted a militant compound.
Many might consider this as stupid idea, but from an islamic point of view this is very valid, only the paki soldiers should kill pakis. You may recall that all those killed by the jihadis are called shaheeds, they are entitled for teh 72 houris, and the suicide bomber in turn is also a shaheed, and all of the dead are happy. Paki army being a jihadic army, the paki mulsims killed by the army are shaheeds,a and hence they should be happy.
I do hope that teh NATO forces understand the islamic doctrines and leave the killings to paki army.
from dawn of today
Protest lodged over US firing
MIRAMSHAH, March 13: Pakistan lodged a protest with coalition forces in Afghanistan on Thursday after two Pakistani women and two children were killed by US fire from across the border, the army said.
The US-led coalition confirmed that it had launched a ‘precision guided’ strike on Pakistani territory but said it targeted a militant compound.
#608 Posted by majumdar on March 14, 2008 1:31:37 am
Tahmed sahib,
The comment disband the army may have been made in best. But what really needs is a small standing army but a somehwat larger dedicated counter-insurgency force, the Pak Army in its current state is clueless on counter-insurgency measures.
And of course more importantly:
Keeping Army firmly under civilian control.
Purge the ISI of pro-Talib elements.
And as Masadi sahib says, invest in modernising and developing the tribal areas rather than bomb it back to the stone ages.
Regards
The comment disband the army may have been made in best. But what really needs is a small standing army but a somehwat larger dedicated counter-insurgency force, the Pak Army in its current state is clueless on counter-insurgency measures.
And of course more importantly:
Keeping Army firmly under civilian control.
Purge the ISI of pro-Talib elements.
And as Masadi sahib says, invest in modernising and developing the tribal areas rather than bomb it back to the stone ages.
Regards
#607 Posted by jayp on March 14, 2008 1:29:55 am
masadi,
You say that the only way to defeat the terrorism is to introduce social development in pakistan. This is simply not possible as long as the pak army is in power.
The support for teh US essentially come from the paki generals, who are the most benefitted from the army-US colaboration. The generals know that their life styles cannot be threatened by the jihadis.
If a dozen generals are knocked off ina few months, then the generals will know that they are no more safe and will do something to address the problem.
You say that the only way to defeat the terrorism is to introduce social development in pakistan. This is simply not possible as long as the pak army is in power.
The support for teh US essentially come from the paki generals, who are the most benefitted from the army-US colaboration. The generals know that their life styles cannot be threatened by the jihadis.
If a dozen generals are knocked off ina few months, then the generals will know that they are no more safe and will do something to address the problem.
#606 Posted by tahmed32 on March 14, 2008 1:29:40 am
DashDot: I thought lawyers had declared this to be a black flag week? :-)
#605 Posted by tahmed32 on March 14, 2008 1:28:56 am
#600 jay thakeray: i agree with you that indian and pakistani societies are very different. we dont burn our minorities. we dont ridicule their religion. we dont have anything like the pakistan-obsessed freaks like you.
#604 Posted by Dash_Dot on March 14, 2008 1:25:48 am
good morning Tahmed32! This place is like a red-light district this morning....every house (post) having a red-light (flag) attached to it
yes, today is friday...another week for good friday and for the good lords resurrection! Wine and bread any one!
yes, today is friday...another week for good friday and for the good lords resurrection! Wine and bread any one!
#603 Posted by tahmed32 on March 14, 2008 1:23:53 am
#601 DashDot - greetings. This is for masadi's own good. :-)
#602 Posted by tahmed32 on March 14, 2008 1:22:52 am
#595 masadi: you are a liar and a hypocrite. Blaming me for the killings in iraq while failing to meet my challenge to cut and paste anything I wrote in that article simply makes you a bigger liar and a bigger hypocrite.
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