Pakistan: The War of Drones

#801 Posted by zeemax on March 16, 2008 10:47:10 am

why is NATO whacking pakis in pakiland? I thought, because you told us, pakiland had the US over a barrel and used this influence to fire afghan ministers at will..

Re: # 809 ["... By your argument, the US forces should not only have decimated Iraq in 1991, but also should have gone after Iran and Syria too..."]

No, no, no, Malik sahib, no. Hold your horses. Please go back and read what I said. You are taking this too far as an argument.

I was simply pointing out a statement you made. And trying to show that it was over-zealous rhetoric, even though I basically agree with the gist of what you were saying.

You had written, obviously for its rhetoric effect, that no winning army in history had ever raised the flag of peace, or similar words. It was just that specific stement that I was pin-pointing and giving two examples of winning armies that offered unilateral peace ... of course, we all know, their objectives had been achieved, that's not the point. They were the victors and they sued for peace. You had written that such a thing never happened in all of history.

cheers,

...SR

SR #805 "I can remember AT LEAST two (2) examples in my memory."

SR, lets leave spinning to gym classes. You are putting a whole new twist to what was a straight forward "Mission Accomplished" for both Indian forces in East Pakistan and US forces in Kuwait. They had no reason, at least at that moment in time, to go beyond but they had set out to accomplish. Their political and military strategy had certain goals. And once those goals were met, and they had the surrender papers from enemy commanders in hand, they declared victory. In India's case, the goal was the exit of Pakistani forces from East Pakistan. In Kuwait, it was the exit of Iraqi forces from Kuwait.

By your argument, the US forces should not only have decimated Iraq in 1991, but also should have gone after Iran and Syria too.

#788 HP (the moorakh)

Did it occur to you a problem at all that the date on that piece was MARCH 4?

Is it indicative of the level of effort you put in checking your "sources"?

For your enlightenment, here is another piece from the same "source"


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Re: # 780 Posted by hamidm2 on March 16, 2008 7:57:39 am

Hamid mian,

[..... of course we have few sane folks like me, hp sain and feroze main trying to hold back the tide of ignorance]

and what about meee? as usual you are ignoring poor me?

HP Re: talk is chaep ... do something ... stop making idealistic statements blah, blah, blah

My friend you take yourself too damn seriously. This anonymous website is for bored middle aged desi men (who most likely don't get enough nukkie) to get on line and jerk off hot air and smoke. Meaningless bantar is all any of this ever was or will be. If you think otherwise, then YOU are the clueless idealist, the role that you're projecting on me. This is CHOWK, for crying out loud. What else did you think this was? The Heritage Foundation?

Re: # 789 Malik99 ["... No winning army in history ever raised a white flag..."]

I can remember AT LEAST two (2) examples in my memory.

1) In 1971, after having won the war decisively in the East, Mrs. Ghandi's government declared a unilateral "cease fire" on the western front. This was in spite of Yahaya Khan's speech the previous evening, December 17th, when he declared that "we shall fight on for a thousand years."

India, at the time, could have smashed into Pakistan at Rahim Yar Khan and penetrated all the way to the Indus. cutting the country into two halves. Then after destroying every bridge, burning every crop, breaking every dam, dismantling power transmission lines and gas pipelines, they could have withdrawn out of Pakistani territory and left the country crippled.

You can argue that Richard Nixon and Breznev leaned hard on Indra to stop, because enough is enough ... (re: Henry Kissinger's book) ... but the fact still remains that it was the winner that stopped the war. It was a wise move.

Second example is that of Papa Bush. After the ejection of Iraqi army from Kuwait and destruction of the bulk of the Iraqi army, there was nothing stopping the US forces from capturing Iraq, as did his moron son, but Papa Bush ordered a unilateral cease fire. Again, it was a wise move. Again, it was the winning side that raised the white flag.

(Please note: I am making no statement as to the moral or legal justification or the wisdom of having started those wars in the first place. In both cases the winner had also started the war.)

Sorry for pointing out facts that you completely ignored to suit your rhetoric.

...SR

in #803 : change "no doubt he mush will do a final " to "no doubt he mush will try to do a final".

get the popcorn, make yourself comfortable, and watch the "rising sun" give a whole new meaning to the term "end run". :-)

HP: no doubt he mush will do a final "oversmart" thing and scoot with the loot to some other country "in the supreme national interest".

but your news source - a korean website - is hardly a reliable source. beware of greeks bearing gifts and koreans bearing news..

Re: # 799
VC firm = VC company does what ?

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HP theinteresting part of the article (source mentioned by you) is this

The president was responding to General Kayani's request to Musharraf to consider playing a statesmanlike role to resolve the political and constitutional crisis in the country," a well-placed source privy to the meeting revealed.

The point (from my view is this) they guys who got him to power while flying over karachi and the arabian sea have asked him to step down.

Nothing has changed .....everything has changed....yet everything is the same....

Tahmed32 can dance in the streets, but the basics are still the same.

HP #: "1) safe passage abroad with his mother Zarin, wife Sehba, daughter Ayla and son-in-law Asif Raza Mir (the former TV star who acted in Fatima Surraya Bajia's famous drama serial Tanhaiyan) to live with his Boston-based son Bilal Musharraf where he serves as an actuary accountant;"

....this is the only safe exit for him.....even if he is let off the hook, and has to live in Pakistan, he will be killed by al-qaeda or mehsud etc., without the layers of security he currently has as president.....

......by the way, his son-in-law is not asif raza mir, and his son, i believe, has now, gone to stanford and works for a famous vc firm, which is headed by a pakistani expat.....

This article provides the background to Admiral Fallon's resignation, and what US wanted from him in the entire Central Asian region.

"Fallon is the American at the center of every circle in this part of the world. And it is a testament to his skill, and to the failure of American diplomacy, that so much is left for this military man to do himself. He spends very little time at Centcom headquarters in Tampa and is instead constantly "forward," on the move between Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and all the 'Stans of Central Asia."

http://www.esquire.com/print-this/features/fox-fallon

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Re: # 788

HP Saeen,

Apologies for spoiling your booze party, but your source has serious errors or should I say is totally bogus dude.

Bilal Musharraf no longer resides in Boston, he is currently enrolled in the Stanford Business Program completing his MBA.

As for that dud Cheap Iftikhar, well we all know what Zardari thinks of him, so lets not get carried away, enjoy your drink, have one on me.

Peace.