Pervez Hoodbhoy March 10, 2008
#761 Posted by tahmed32 on March 16, 2008 5:54:24 am
hamidm: "nuclear option"? you are totally losing it now!!
#760 Posted by hamidm2 on March 16, 2008 5:53:28 am
the nuclear option ?
.......... i know most people do not like to talk about such things, but i have been thinking about the long term cost of this war against the mohammedan hordes ........ the way it is going - a war of attrition with us loosing four or five brave men every day in some godforsaken place in iraq or idiotistan - this could go on for ever ...... is there a quicker solution ? .... what if we dropped a couple of nukes on places miran shah, mansoora, tehran, nowshera and mecca ...... would that end the war ?....... i know it is far fetched but it is something that needs to be discussed ........ it is possible that just one or two nukes will send the message ........ i know, i know - the animals on the other side do not live in houses and have family and friends like ordinary people, but we have to look at the options ...... there has to be a way to end this thing before the next football season - i hate distractions during the playoffs ........
#759 Posted by tahmed32 on March 16, 2008 5:53:27 am
#754 hamidm: i have had a better idea (while you were too busy hailing the "rising sun" last year and sniffing at the "unwashed masses" and the "droopy eyed chief justice" to listen). and feb 18 proved that idea made sense - proper elections marginalized the religious parties whom you uncle mush had patronized, and scared the crap out of the terrorists. who then got desperate enough to come out in the open and show their true face to the people of pakistan - and have shot themselves in the foot in the process even if they dont realize that yet.
#758 Posted by guru on March 16, 2008 5:51:12 am
Re: # 742 Bullya:
All those wars were necessary to keep Pakistan afloat. Whenever Pakistan stopped sleeping with superdada, it landed in trouble. The economy remained stagnant or nose dived. Pakistan's birth was for these wars. Illegitimate daughter of aunt Britany and unkil.
A relative of mine was killed in Mumbai blasts in 2006. We know the next war would be aar-paar one to annihilate pakistan.
All those wars were necessary to keep Pakistan afloat. Whenever Pakistan stopped sleeping with superdada, it landed in trouble. The economy remained stagnant or nose dived. Pakistan's birth was for these wars. Illegitimate daughter of aunt Britany and unkil.
A relative of mine was killed in Mumbai blasts in 2006. We know the next war would be aar-paar one to annihilate pakistan.
#757 Posted by zahid_e_khushk on March 16, 2008 5:49:51 am
Re: # 754
This is an illusion that this "riff raff" would support any democratic government that wouldn't share their worldview as has been suggested by Deobandi bookworms trapped in a time warp with those death-worshipping mavericks. Once you start making concessions, they'll always expand their wishlist in order to topple the whole system wher human will plays -- at least principally -- a fundamental role and not that of these mavericks disguised as God's will.
This is an illusion that this "riff raff" would support any democratic government that wouldn't share their worldview as has been suggested by Deobandi bookworms trapped in a time warp with those death-worshipping mavericks. Once you start making concessions, they'll always expand their wishlist in order to topple the whole system wher human will plays -- at least principally -- a fundamental role and not that of these mavericks disguised as God's will.
#756 Posted by CreateAlpha on March 16, 2008 5:47:48 am
Romair uncle, where do you get those wonderful drugs? It is not other people's wars. It is intimately a pakistani issue, being entirely complicit in creating, fostering and deploying the jihadi culture abroad. Now...now...we will hear that the americans and the saudis are behind this....with their cash and their political motives....but couln't you pakistani knuckleheads have stopped for a second from all the kneeling and bobbing and just said "wait a minute....this jihad shyte is a crappy concept...let's change the koran..(Afterall we are the theykaydaars of islam) and tell these amreekans and saudis to piss off"
I am sure that thought might have crossed ur minds when u were watching the throat slahing video of Daniel Pearl?....maybe not..perhaps you were completely fascinated by the popcorn in the bowl infront of you...thinking.."Butter just makes everything better.."
I am sure that thought might have crossed ur minds when u were watching the throat slahing video of Daniel Pearl?....maybe not..perhaps you were completely fascinated by the popcorn in the bowl infront of you...thinking.."Butter just makes everything better.."
#755 Posted by 1Safe on March 16, 2008 5:46:41 am
re #749 and #751
Can this jihadi menace be reduced to just Arab ghoondas and Afghan death-worshipers? I hope you both are right, then that would not be so difficult to handle.
But what if this is a more widely spread and more powerful wave than that? What can be done about it then?
Also, Tahmed bhai, do you consider the crime of last night an abberation, or is this an escalation a la Baghdad?
Can this jihadi menace be reduced to just Arab ghoondas and Afghan death-worshipers? I hope you both are right, then that would not be so difficult to handle.
But what if this is a more widely spread and more powerful wave than that? What can be done about it then?
Also, Tahmed bhai, do you consider the crime of last night an abberation, or is this an escalation a la Baghdad?
#754 Posted by hamidm2 on March 16, 2008 5:37:03 am
Re: # 753
tahmed,
.... do you have a better idea ? ..... or do you want to retreat from all the fronts and come home and sit in your basement hoping that 'they' will leave you alone ....... do you really believe that if we left the taliban, al-qaeda and the other riff raff alone that they will stop their murder and mayhem?
tahmed,
.... do you have a better idea ? ..... or do you want to retreat from all the fronts and come home and sit in your basement hoping that 'they' will leave you alone ....... do you really believe that if we left the taliban, al-qaeda and the other riff raff alone that they will stop their murder and mayhem?
#753 Posted by tahmed32 on March 16, 2008 5:33:14 am
hamidm #752 that's right, genius. throw money at your problems like bush has been doing past 7 years (and mush has been happily collecting the cash and making sure he keeps his terrorist monkeys around and performing for more cash from bush).
#752 Posted by hamidm2 on March 16, 2008 5:23:09 am
..... there is only one way to win this global war being waged by barbarians against mankind - support john mccain for president and a one dollar a gallon war tax on gasoline ..... we must find this vermin wherever they are and kill thme before they kill us ........ you cannot retreat an inch, because if you do they will take a mile ...... that is the nature of the beast
#751 Posted by zahid_e_khushk on March 16, 2008 5:19:06 am
Re: # 749
But these Beduins are not against generals and certainly no friend of democracy which is merely an evil system to them. What they're striving for is an "Islamic state" which's nothing but a totalitarian system where the ancient Arabic culture'd be relived. Even a democratically elected government'd have a hard time facing these Gogs and Magogs. They don't want a dialogue but complete surrender to their ideology. Once the death-worschipper on the Afghan side are stopped from entering the Pakistani territory, the few infected death-worshippers in FATA could more easily be taken care for considering the fact that most people in FATA prefer to live a normal life like most people in the heartland Pakistan
But these Beduins are not against generals and certainly no friend of democracy which is merely an evil system to them. What they're striving for is an "Islamic state" which's nothing but a totalitarian system where the ancient Arabic culture'd be relived. Even a democratically elected government'd have a hard time facing these Gogs and Magogs. They don't want a dialogue but complete surrender to their ideology. Once the death-worschipper on the Afghan side are stopped from entering the Pakistani territory, the few infected death-worshippers in FATA could more easily be taken care for considering the fact that most people in FATA prefer to live a normal life like most people in the heartland Pakistan
#750 Posted by hamidm2 on March 16, 2008 5:17:54 am
chowk staff,
.... i see that in my absence over the last couple of days you have let mad masadi sneak in again .......... what happened ? ...... please make sure that this idiot does not rear his ugly head on this forum - we have enought fools, cospracty theorists, flaming jihadis and romairs on this forum as it is ......
... thank you for your cooperation
#749 Posted by tahmed32 on March 16, 2008 5:09:49 am
#747 you dont need a wall. you just need to get the democratic government in place. with musharraf no long around to protect them (as part of his strategy of remaining the "indispensable" man in the so-called WOT) the arab ghoondas who found a safe haven fata under musharraf are finished.
The onslaught of suicide bombings in recent months is a clear indication that al qaeda understands this quite well and are getting desperate to try and intimidate the elected rulers to continuing musharraf's policy of giving them safe haven in fata
The onslaught of suicide bombings in recent months is a clear indication that al qaeda understands this quite well and are getting desperate to try and intimidate the elected rulers to continuing musharraf's policy of giving them safe haven in fata
#748 Posted by pavocavalry on March 16, 2008 4:58:10 am
HP Sain , Hello to you Sir .
About the exiles in Kabul there were three distinct phases.
The first wave went in 1973-76 both Balochistan and NWFP.Stalwarts like Agha Shaista from Nushki and many bigger leaders.Unfortunately Daud Khan's support to Baloch and Pashtun was more rhetoric and little action.By 1976 Daud Khan had made a U turn .He had decided to bite the hand of Afghanistan's greatest benefactor the USSR.Thus he toured Pakistan,Iran,Saudi Arabia etc.The exiles in Kabul were facing uncertainty about the future.
The second phase was this phase of uncertainty 1976-78.
Even Dr Najeeb came to Kabul Peshawar in 1976-77.
When the Saur Inqilab came the Afghan state actively supported all exiles but on ideological basis.The ANP had no ideology but being Pashtuns the Afghans had a soft corner for them.Murtaza Bhutto got very active logistic support although most of the funds came from Libya and Syria where the indomitable int chief Kholi was just heroic.
The Kabul regime got cold feet after the 1981 hijacking however and ultimately Murtaza left for Syria.
The main difference between daud and PDPA regime was that Daud had sympathy for the ethnic nationalists while the PDPA supported all exiles regardless of ethnicity for ideological reasons.
About the exiles in Kabul there were three distinct phases.
The first wave went in 1973-76 both Balochistan and NWFP.Stalwarts like Agha Shaista from Nushki and many bigger leaders.Unfortunately Daud Khan's support to Baloch and Pashtun was more rhetoric and little action.By 1976 Daud Khan had made a U turn .He had decided to bite the hand of Afghanistan's greatest benefactor the USSR.Thus he toured Pakistan,Iran,Saudi Arabia etc.The exiles in Kabul were facing uncertainty about the future.
The second phase was this phase of uncertainty 1976-78.
Even Dr Najeeb came to Kabul Peshawar in 1976-77.
When the Saur Inqilab came the Afghan state actively supported all exiles but on ideological basis.The ANP had no ideology but being Pashtuns the Afghans had a soft corner for them.Murtaza Bhutto got very active logistic support although most of the funds came from Libya and Syria where the indomitable int chief Kholi was just heroic.
The Kabul regime got cold feet after the 1981 hijacking however and ultimately Murtaza left for Syria.
The main difference between daud and PDPA regime was that Daud had sympathy for the ethnic nationalists while the PDPA supported all exiles regardless of ethnicity for ideological reasons.
#747 Posted by zahid_e_khushk on March 16, 2008 4:57:06 am
Re: # 746
The writer of the Koran gives the idea of building a wall to save civilization from monsters. Not an invention of right or left wing loonies or even this humble person
The writer of the Koran gives the idea of building a wall to save civilization from monsters. Not an invention of right or left wing loonies or even this humble person
#746 Posted by masadi on March 16, 2008 4:51:10 am
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