Pakistan: The War of Drones

"As the mullah’s indoctrination gains strength, the power to reason weakens. The world of the follower becomes increasingly divided into absolute good and absolute evil. Doubt is replaced by certainty, moral sensibilities are blunted. Reduced to a mere instrument for murder, the human drone is left with no room for useless things such as judgment, doubt, or conscience."

Well said sir!

Once we get used to violent death, a deadening of affect follows; this makes it easier to do it again ourselves. The CIRCLE becomes complete! Who cares if it happens to be a "vicious crcle".

One of the interacters on another board described it to be "perfectly human", part of our nature apparently! In the same breath the opposite was described as "pascifism"; by the same token perhaps an "inhuman(?)" quality?

"As other human beings become mere objects rather than people deserving of love and compassion, the metamorphosis from human to drone becomes complete."

Thanks for describing a jihadi so succinctly. here on chowk the tahmed and zeemaxes are classifying the jihadis into the good kashmiri jihadi, the very good al quida jihadi and the not so good paki jihadi.

For a long time I have been arguing that jihadis are general purpose killers, de-sensitsed bipeds and they will kill for anything as long as he gets his order from the mullah.

Through this process of classification, the tahmed of the world have supported and sustained the jihadis.

Pervez ji,

Do something about the madarassa course. Talk about banning of medina verses from the Quran that is taught to the young.

Jihadism exists because even the worst perversities of Quran are considered the "Truths" and worthy of emulation.

Unless and until the process of cloning of Mohammad is stopped Jihadism would not end!!!

Pervez,

AS yet another bomb went of in Lahore, the article is very timely, but you are the only one person to have such views in pakistan. Wait for the posts by the ilks of YLH who will dismiss your views as exagerations. Nothing can be done, pakistan is doomed to be a jihadic state.

Now mushy has ordered a thorough enquiry, and he has specially ordered that the crime scene should not be washed with fire hoses. That is the tragedy of pakistan, when benazir was killed, the people in power did not want any one caught, now they want it, they want it when the general was killed.

From the mosques, from the madrassas the islamic leaders are calling for jihad, while the YLH of pakistan are telling that jihadis are only in the tribal areas, the abdul paki hates jihad. No sir, it is teh abdul paki, by his silence at the mosques, supporting the jihad, by giving those few rupees, paying for the jihad.

I look forward to the day when the parents of the paki jihadis will be honoured by the abdul pakis. Like the days of kashmir jihad, when there were posters of jihadis all over kashmir, the days when the hijackers were welcomed as heros in pakistan, I look forward to teh day when the generals killers photo will adorn the pak streets.

the day is not very far.

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"I look forward to the day when the parents of the paki jihadis will be honoured by the abdul pakis. Like the days of kashmir jihad, when there were posters of jihadis all over kashmir, the days when the hijackers were welcomed as heros in pakistan, I look forward to teh day when the generals killers photo will adorn the pak streets."

Allahu!!!

How do you punish a suicide bomber ?

Only way to disuade future potential suicide bombers is to punish the familes of the suicide bombers.

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I disagree that Mr Hoodbhoy is a lone voice jayp; I'd like to quote one of my favourite scientists Stephen Weinberg (co-Noble laureate with Dr Abdus Salam) on the power religious mythology has, how it can be mis-construed and can go un-questioned. This is an except take from a speech he made in Washington:

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

The more I see what is going on around me, the more it affirms my thoughts on the destructive and inhuman side of "faith"; ancient fairytales backed by the concepts of skyfairies delivering private revelations to their chosen billy-goats; these in turn interpreted and sanctified by equally inadequate but vicious, self-appointed, self-riteous imbeciles!

Jayp,

(here on chowk the tahmed and zeemaxes are classifying the jihadis)

Tahmed sahib has never supported jihad or jihadis of any kind.

Zee sahib (if my understanding is right) tries to understand the root cause of all kinds of jihadis rather than blindly support or oppose all kinds.

Cheema sahib,

(But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion)

Depends on how you define religion. Lots of gud people have done evil things motivated by nationalism, race and ideology. Possibly more people have been killed in wars fought on national, racial and ideological lines than religious ones.

Regards

What? The suiciders are still at it? I remember I had sent out a memo to use remote-controlled IED's instead after the objections following the 'Pindi medicos bus attack! Total insubordination ...

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very true Majumdar Sahib, Religion is any old fanaticism, be it a hand-me-down god of ancient mythology or "on-the-spot" gods of race, tribalism (nationalism) etc. Problem is, unquestioned faith is the problem with the world today; it is another label humanity could have done without.

Problem with this site is people trying to split hairs! What I say makes perfect sense to anyone with a few brain cells, but rather than addressing the issues and coming up with something constructive or remotely intelligent, "baal ki khaal utaarne lag jaate hein".

Now if we want to bury our heads in the sand and treat all this as "an innocent passtime", that is fine.

In praise of the jihadis,

There is so much of criticism of the jihadis. But their contribution to teh economic growth of pakistan cannot be denied.

Most of the car hijackings are domne by the jihadis and the cars are sold in NWFP. Among all the countries in the world, car tracking using stalites is the most advanced in pakistan.

Jihadis are self employed, they do not steal others jobs, they do not dipress the wages.

The jihadi criminals have spurned the largest industry in pakistan, private security guards, which is good for the economy, the rich have to employ them, there by creating jobs.

Jihadis have prevented the business men coming to pakistan, this has reduced the exports, and made many commodities available to teh locals

one can keep going on about how good the jihadis are for the pak economy, especially for the abdul pakis.

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"Zee sahib (if my understanding is right) tries to understand the root cause of all kinds of jihadis rather than blindly support or oppose all kinds."

Majumdar Bhayya,

There is a root cause for practically anything and everything; let me give you an example: Hypothetical scenario: One of your family/loved one gets attacked and fatally injured by a crackpot down the street. How do you feel? Angry and vengeful? I am sure and so would I, we are human afterall. What if I told you that a generation ago your family did somthing to this guy's family and they went bust as a result. Now the reason this man was a crackpot is actually YOUR making. Would you accept such a silly argument? Of course not.

When we are grown up, we have the capacity to THINK and TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for OUR actions as mature adults. No matter how many excuses you make, it DOES NOT make it allright!

Notwithstanding Pervs Hoodbhoy's thesis, for Pakistan's sake, time for it to make another U-Turn!

Yes. If pakistan wants to save its body politic its needs another U-turn.

The elite need to understand - that just as parents do, esp with young children who are restless and have tremendous energy, get the kids tired and an avocation to get rid of the energy - that the jihadi is child_like. Plenty of engergy and enthu for life. The Jihadi needs an outlet for this energy.

The elite need to focus their minds on the "unfinished business" of partition. This is the only option left. NOthing else seems to work -

today you had 100 injured and 20 odd killed so far in a Jihadi Bombing in lahore. (see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7288953.stm)


The body politic of the nation is being ripped apart. Make that U-Turn Zardari sahib. Your wife had the great idea of creating, sustaining the Taliban, and later channeleing these guys energies towards the unfinished business. Be the great statesman and save pakistan.

Cheema sahib,

(What if I told you that a generation ago your family did somthing to this guy's family)

Very true. But inappropriate in context of Zee sahib. His justification of jihadism (if at all he justifies it) is in relation to the terror that is being unleashed in FATA in the name of WOT, not for injustices done in the past.

Regards

I've never understood why people crib so much about suicide bombing. I mean, just look at the advantages as compared to, say, an IED or a remote controlled device:

1) It is a smart bomb, better than a precision laser-guided one, and destroys only the intended target (collateral damage notwithstanding). It can even change its mind at the last second and go home, while a missile or an IED cannot!

2) It is not indiscriminate like an IED or a roadside device which will blow up anyone who drives first over it (like the marriage party in Swat with a military convoy just behind!).

3) The bomber dies alongwith the bomb, so cannot bomb again, while the IED bomber or the remote controller can bomb again and again repeatedly.

You guys should be celebrating the suicide bomber! He/she's a humane weapon!!!

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Iron mask,

The PPP leadership is real islamist. They know that the jihadis seek heaven and the 32 houris and the like, they seek death, and as true islamic leaders, they do not want the poor abdul pakis to travel to kashmir to meet have the shehdad. I admire mushy, he is delivering them shehdad at the door steps.

It is not technically impossible to have predators circling all over pakistan, and at the mention of teh word jihad, a shehdad missile can be sent to greet them.

I understand that malaysian proton is developing an islamic car, with a compass to give the mecca direction, a lota, some water and prayer mat as standard issue. Time that muslims joined with the US to develop a shahdad missile.