Pervez Hoodbhoy March 10, 2008
#81 Posted by Urstruly on March 11, 2008 5:31:16 am
Re: # 76 zeemax
I am afraid, professors concern has weight. Suppose the Americans retreat from this region; and while doing that they will leave behind their chamchas and East India Company ki najaiz aulaad in this country anyway, who has done this nation so much wrong. Do you remember, what happened to the South Vietnamese after Americans fled?
I think the best bet for this class to survive is to do the right thing now. There still is time. It will ensure their survival. The right thing to do is:
1. Re-enact the deposed judiciary.
2. Re-enact the Constitution of 1973 as it was before October 1998
3. Sack Mucharraf, and put him on trial for treason.
4. Call off military everywhere from West bank of River Indus.
5. Respectfully tell Americans that we cannot fight their losing wars anymore, and they should take a hike.
I am afraid, professors concern has weight. Suppose the Americans retreat from this region; and while doing that they will leave behind their chamchas and East India Company ki najaiz aulaad in this country anyway, who has done this nation so much wrong. Do you remember, what happened to the South Vietnamese after Americans fled?
I think the best bet for this class to survive is to do the right thing now. There still is time. It will ensure their survival. The right thing to do is:
1. Re-enact the deposed judiciary.
2. Re-enact the Constitution of 1973 as it was before October 1998
3. Sack Mucharraf, and put him on trial for treason.
4. Call off military everywhere from West bank of River Indus.
5. Respectfully tell Americans that we cannot fight their losing wars anymore, and they should take a hike.
#82 Posted by zeemax on March 11, 2008 5:36:28 am
#73 Posted by hamidm2,
hamidm why did you miss the entire premise of this article? It is about the CHOICE of the bomb, and NOT the bombing itself. The author is boohooing about how the desensitization of a foreign joystick bomber thousands of miles away is understandable but the same idea of the one familiar and close at hand is not. Get it?
That's why I had sent out that memo to only use joysticks, remote controls etc. but these days these young guys just don't listen!
hamidm why did you miss the entire premise of this article? It is about the CHOICE of the bomb, and NOT the bombing itself. The author is boohooing about how the desensitization of a foreign joystick bomber thousands of miles away is understandable but the same idea of the one familiar and close at hand is not. Get it?
That's why I had sent out that memo to only use joysticks, remote controls etc. but these days these young guys just don't listen!
#83 Posted by zeemax on March 11, 2008 5:45:35 am
#79 Posted by hamidm2,
Of-course the fight will not stop - but it will not be against the Pakistani establishment anymore. Don't you want to liberate Kashmir from the horrible hindoos? The direction of the guns will change. Forgotten already who grabbed Azad Kashmir for you?
Of-course the fight will not stop - but it will not be against the Pakistani establishment anymore. Don't you want to liberate Kashmir from the horrible hindoos? The direction of the guns will change. Forgotten already who grabbed Azad Kashmir for you?
#84 Posted by arjun_5 on March 11, 2008 5:59:02 am
#83 Posted by zeemax on March 11, 2008 5:45:35 am
so 2010 it is? or is it now sooner or later?
so 2010 it is? or is it now sooner or later?
#85 Posted by Dash_Dot on March 11, 2008 6:04:43 am
Re: # 82
here is a thought zeemax - why cannot the jihadis use this opportunty to develop alternative technology, technology which does not cost their lives?! I.e. go back to the way jihaad is defined for all of us.......
would nt that be a better way forward. Who knows they might hit a very rich seam of knowledge which would enable them to make that technological leap over others. After all isn't this advocated for in the Koran, and also by the Prophet (PUBH).
Just a thought.....
here is a thought zeemax - why cannot the jihadis use this opportunty to develop alternative technology, technology which does not cost their lives?! I.e. go back to the way jihaad is defined for all of us.......
would nt that be a better way forward. Who knows they might hit a very rich seam of knowledge which would enable them to make that technological leap over others. After all isn't this advocated for in the Koran, and also by the Prophet (PUBH).
Just a thought.....
#86 Posted by Dash_Dot on March 11, 2008 6:06:27 am
Re: # 84
you trying to set deadlines here...when people have forgotten the time..........and time is meaningless irrelevant etc
you trying to set deadlines here...when people have forgotten the time..........and time is meaningless irrelevant etc
#87 Posted by pmishra2 on March 11, 2008 6:07:45 am
mubarakein, budhayee, congrats on your freedom struggle..remember there is never violence without root cause..please say a prayer for the great shaheeds...what a sacrifice for freedom..
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/12/world/asia/12pstan.html?_r=1& hp&oref=slogin
Two powerful explosions, just minutes apart and both of them suicide attacks, rocked the eastern Pakistani city of Lahore on Tuesday morning, killing 24 people, the Interior Ministry said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/12/world/asia/12pstan.html?_r=1& hp&oref=slogin
Two powerful explosions, just minutes apart and both of them suicide attacks, rocked the eastern Pakistani city of Lahore on Tuesday morning, killing 24 people, the Interior Ministry said.
#88 Posted by arjun_5 on March 11, 2008 6:19:49 am
#86 Posted by Dash_Dot on March 11, 2008 6:06:27 am
it's not me..it's peeweemax who told us his jihadi brothers would liberate kashmir by 2010...
it's not me..it's peeweemax who told us his jihadi brothers would liberate kashmir by 2010...
#89 Posted by zeemax on March 11, 2008 6:20:57 am
#85 Posted by Dash_Dot,
Yaar why reinvent the wheel? The most effective weapon is that which is relatively inexpensive compared to the target it destroys. Remember, it was just one truck worth maybe a thousand or two dollars which made the americans leave Lebanon, when a single cruise missile costs a few million and not even sure if it actually hits the target.
As Pavo said, it is a legitimate weapon as long as it is not against purely non-combatants.
Yaar why reinvent the wheel? The most effective weapon is that which is relatively inexpensive compared to the target it destroys. Remember, it was just one truck worth maybe a thousand or two dollars which made the americans leave Lebanon, when a single cruise missile costs a few million and not even sure if it actually hits the target.
As Pavo said, it is a legitimate weapon as long as it is not against purely non-combatants.
#90 Posted by zeemax on March 11, 2008 6:23:02 am
... which of-course is true in case of all weapons.
#91 Posted by Dash_Dot on March 11, 2008 6:23:27 am
Re: # 88 you mean zeemax mian is into nostra's damus, or mayber he is a regular visitor to http://revelation13.net/
that would explain it all
that would explain it all
#92 Posted by Dash_Dot on March 11, 2008 6:30:03 am
Re: # 89
You missing the point here zeemax. For all scholarship you seem to be missing the key gaining knowledge (which you have been exhorted to seek from all corners of the earth), inorder to make that tech leap.
You see sending in remotely guided vehicles is easy-peesy - fly, aim, fire and forget (faff - hence faffing around). Get, groom, brain-wash, teach, buy, and expect to rpess the button on yourself - is a bit too long winded. (that should be the lesson from the good prof's article - maybe he is into trying to rustle up money for this research in his insitute you may have another AQKhan here).
Technologically what the suicide guys are doing is nothing new, has been done to death before (apologies for the lousy met and pun). People can safe guard themselves against this. Notice how the US is bio-finger printing everyone and also developing a database of cavity images. from DC they can burn the jihadis (that they have not as yet done is because of the the collateral damage. The Jihadi needs to be able to do the same. Killing your own kind does not serve any purpose.
Move with the times....keep up you are being left behind
You missing the point here zeemax. For all scholarship you seem to be missing the key gaining knowledge (which you have been exhorted to seek from all corners of the earth), inorder to make that tech leap.
You see sending in remotely guided vehicles is easy-peesy - fly, aim, fire and forget (faff - hence faffing around). Get, groom, brain-wash, teach, buy, and expect to rpess the button on yourself - is a bit too long winded. (that should be the lesson from the good prof's article - maybe he is into trying to rustle up money for this research in his insitute you may have another AQKhan here).
Technologically what the suicide guys are doing is nothing new, has been done to death before (apologies for the lousy met and pun). People can safe guard themselves against this. Notice how the US is bio-finger printing everyone and also developing a database of cavity images. from DC they can burn the jihadis (that they have not as yet done is because of the the collateral damage. The Jihadi needs to be able to do the same. Killing your own kind does not serve any purpose.
Move with the times....keep up you are being left behind
#93 Posted by Eklavya on March 11, 2008 6:49:45 am
dash_dot, one very quick question.
Suppose a Jihadi is your friend, lives next door, his son plays with your daughter and they both go to school together, you meet regularly for drinks and for laughs and movies, and then one day, he or his wife, one of his kids blows himself/herself up, taking you along for a ride to the distant heavens.
I know, that is impossible to imagine, and we are sure, can never happen, but suppose that were theoretically possible, then what defense do you have agains this weapon? How will bio finger printing work?
Suppose a Jihadi is your friend, lives next door, his son plays with your daughter and they both go to school together, you meet regularly for drinks and for laughs and movies, and then one day, he or his wife, one of his kids blows himself/herself up, taking you along for a ride to the distant heavens.
I know, that is impossible to imagine, and we are sure, can never happen, but suppose that were theoretically possible, then what defense do you have agains this weapon? How will bio finger printing work?
#94 Posted by Dash_Dot on March 11, 2008 6:58:55 am
If that were to happen - i would expect that the forces take appropriate measures that
(a) his sidekicks are taught an invaluable lesson
(b) the govt of the day imporves its internal security
(c) deports his likes back to his beloved ummah (since they do have any place in a civiilsed world where opinions (however distasteful or disvergent are tolerated and having an opinion is a right)
(d) never allow another jihadi to enter the country.
You see ekalavya, your hypo question will always have an answer. ofcourse it will be postpriori (posteriori or post facto), but an answer nevertheless. that is what is happening with bio finger printing, and the FAFF-ing using drones.
AS chaltahai so eloquently put it on UP
Post by chaltahai on Mar 11, 2008 6:38:27 am
Scout, apparently 5/6th of humanity gives a fk what a jihadi thinks because there is open season on jihadis from philippines to amreeka
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(a) his sidekicks are taught an invaluable lesson
(b) the govt of the day imporves its internal security
(c) deports his likes back to his beloved ummah (since they do have any place in a civiilsed world where opinions (however distasteful or disvergent are tolerated and having an opinion is a right)
(d) never allow another jihadi to enter the country.
You see ekalavya, your hypo question will always have an answer. ofcourse it will be postpriori (posteriori or post facto), but an answer nevertheless. that is what is happening with bio finger printing, and the FAFF-ing using drones.
AS chaltahai so eloquently put it on UP
Post by chaltahai on Mar 11, 2008 6:38:27 am
Scout, apparently 5/6th of humanity gives a fk what a jihadi thinks because there is open season on jihadis from philippines to amreeka
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#95 Posted by tahmed32 on March 11, 2008 7:00:15 am
urstruly #81 i am glad to see you are finally on the right track. now take the next step:
#8 disrespectfully tell the arab and central asian apes who think they can carve out a bit of pakistan using suicide bombers that once musharraf is gone, pakistanis will kick them out next.
#8 disrespectfully tell the arab and central asian apes who think they can carve out a bit of pakistan using suicide bombers that once musharraf is gone, pakistanis will kick them out next.
#96 Posted by Kamath on March 11, 2008 7:01:59 am
Re: # 87
I wonder if these suicide bombers are guaranteed of a nice place in heaven with Houries offering their 'services'?
I wonder if these suicide bombers are guaranteed of a nice place in heaven with Houries offering their 'services'?
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