Pervez Hoodbhoy March 10, 2008
#113 Posted by Urstruly on March 11, 2008 7:57:17 am
Re: # 111
But the time, effort, and cost it takes to carry out such operations do not justify an attack on a piddly ad agency. I'd say that a bigger thing was going on there behind the veil of an ad agency.
But the time, effort, and cost it takes to carry out such operations do not justify an attack on a piddly ad agency. I'd say that a bigger thing was going on there behind the veil of an ad agency.
#114 Posted by bulleya on March 11, 2008 7:57:17 am
this is going to spiral into a big problem....two steps need to be taken:
1. get out of gwot!......follow spain's example....pakistan is quickly falling into the category, "fight them there so we don't have to fight them here." ......with pakistan being the, "there".....
the australians have been pushing pakistan towards fighting in gwot, as if it is a great cause.....yet are unwilling to send their own cricket team into the country....
i doubt too many americans are shedding a tear when a bomb explodes in pakistan and people die......however, they all jump up and down, when they think pakistan is not doing enough...
2. a social change has to take place......there needs to be reconstruction of the economic system and educational system......
i think the recent elections have gone a long way in letting people release their frustration....
p.s one cannot differentiate between predator bombs and suicide bombs, killing civilians.....both are acts of terrorism, and should be condemned equally.....both have a politcal target and blow it up with total disregard for any other damage....in both cases, pakistanis are on the receiving end.....
1. get out of gwot!......follow spain's example....pakistan is quickly falling into the category, "fight them there so we don't have to fight them here." ......with pakistan being the, "there".....
the australians have been pushing pakistan towards fighting in gwot, as if it is a great cause.....yet are unwilling to send their own cricket team into the country....
i doubt too many americans are shedding a tear when a bomb explodes in pakistan and people die......however, they all jump up and down, when they think pakistan is not doing enough...
2. a social change has to take place......there needs to be reconstruction of the economic system and educational system......
i think the recent elections have gone a long way in letting people release their frustration....
p.s one cannot differentiate between predator bombs and suicide bombs, killing civilians.....both are acts of terrorism, and should be condemned equally.....both have a politcal target and blow it up with total disregard for any other damage....in both cases, pakistanis are on the receiving end.....
#115 Posted by zeemax on March 11, 2008 7:57:38 am
#105 Posted by cliftonbridge,
Aap ney farmaya:
... the crime is being in no intellectual military or economic state to win a fair fight .. and so on.
This statement is true only to this extent. It's certainly not a fair fight, and the weaker side will resort to any tactics to win, or surrender outright. It hasn't chosen the latter yet and I don't think it will. These are not hindoos, mind you.
Aap ney farmaya:
... the crime is being in no intellectual military or economic state to win a fair fight .. and so on.
This statement is true only to this extent. It's certainly not a fair fight, and the weaker side will resort to any tactics to win, or surrender outright. It hasn't chosen the latter yet and I don't think it will. These are not hindoos, mind you.
#116 Posted by masadi on March 11, 2008 7:58:54 am
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#117 Posted by tahmed32 on March 11, 2008 8:04:51 am
urstruly: no -
these arab apes are the ones who killed 3000 people in 9/11. and individuals like you - for whom an arab can do no wrong - blamed it on jews.
these apes are the ones who killed innocent bus passengers and hindu villagers in kashmir - and individuals like you proclaimed this to be a victory for kashmir freedom.
these apes are the ones who blew up innocent people in iraq - and individuals like you blamed it on the US.
these apes are the ones who dragged women out of their homes in islamabad and declared them prostitutes - and individuals like you joined them in ridiculing "auntie shamim".
these apes are the ones who are refusing to allow peace to come in afghanistan. and individuals like you point to NATO forces trying to maintain order as being the aggressors.
now the US is alert to these apes and knows how to deal with them. the Indians have kicked these apes out of Kashmir. the Brits and Spaniards are on the alert. NATO has kicked these apes out of Afghanistan. the US has cut down these apes in Iraq and they can no longer attack innocent people.
Individuals like you have been supporters of these apes for years, misleading Pakistani people on who their real enemy is. Time is showing indivdiuals like you for what you are - the enemies of the Pakistani people. the enemies of all humanity.
these arab apes are the ones who killed 3000 people in 9/11. and individuals like you - for whom an arab can do no wrong - blamed it on jews.
these apes are the ones who killed innocent bus passengers and hindu villagers in kashmir - and individuals like you proclaimed this to be a victory for kashmir freedom.
these apes are the ones who blew up innocent people in iraq - and individuals like you blamed it on the US.
these apes are the ones who dragged women out of their homes in islamabad and declared them prostitutes - and individuals like you joined them in ridiculing "auntie shamim".
these apes are the ones who are refusing to allow peace to come in afghanistan. and individuals like you point to NATO forces trying to maintain order as being the aggressors.
now the US is alert to these apes and knows how to deal with them. the Indians have kicked these apes out of Kashmir. the Brits and Spaniards are on the alert. NATO has kicked these apes out of Afghanistan. the US has cut down these apes in Iraq and they can no longer attack innocent people.
Individuals like you have been supporters of these apes for years, misleading Pakistani people on who their real enemy is. Time is showing indivdiuals like you for what you are - the enemies of the Pakistani people. the enemies of all humanity.
#118 Posted by zeemax on March 11, 2008 8:06:13 am
#113 Posted by Urstruly,
It's also being reported that it could be mistaken identity. Bilawal House (Zardari's Lahore residence) is across the street!
It's also being reported that it could be mistaken identity. Bilawal House (Zardari's Lahore residence) is across the street!
#119 Posted by GT on March 11, 2008 8:06:30 am
Masadi:
Unfortunately, this has become a tamasha for the bloody chattering class. We are uncivilized to the core. ... I think I need a break from chowk for the rest of the day. Masadi, another thing - do not give a damn to any AH and start interacting again. Chowk has refused to publish your stuff and many will be happy if you leave ... do not give them that pleasure.
Unfortunately, this has become a tamasha for the bloody chattering class. We are uncivilized to the core. ... I think I need a break from chowk for the rest of the day. Masadi, another thing - do not give a damn to any AH and start interacting again. Chowk has refused to publish your stuff and many will be happy if you leave ... do not give them that pleasure.
#120 Posted by Maharana on March 11, 2008 8:07:18 am
Dr. Hoodbhoy,
Its too late for anything. The pakistani awam is culpable too and paying for their choices and decisions. The foresight was missing when pkasitani generals were getting fat with US money waging jehad in afghanistan and enjoying the freebies. The general population was enjoying excellent standard of living then. The same model was then replicated for kashmir too. As long as the gawaanr villager from frontier was waging jehad outside apkistan it was cheered on. No one criticised them for being responsible for innocent lives lost in another country. It was justified then to strike terror at the enemy's heart.
It takes time for a tree to grow and give fruits. Now that the fruits are falling from the tree people are becoming human rights champion and blaming the army or jehadis. weren't both of these nurtured by the pak society?
Adios
Its too late for anything. The pakistani awam is culpable too and paying for their choices and decisions. The foresight was missing when pkasitani generals were getting fat with US money waging jehad in afghanistan and enjoying the freebies. The general population was enjoying excellent standard of living then. The same model was then replicated for kashmir too. As long as the gawaanr villager from frontier was waging jehad outside apkistan it was cheered on. No one criticised them for being responsible for innocent lives lost in another country. It was justified then to strike terror at the enemy's heart.
It takes time for a tree to grow and give fruits. Now that the fruits are falling from the tree people are becoming human rights champion and blaming the army or jehadis. weren't both of these nurtured by the pak society?
Adios
#121 Posted by hamidm2 on March 11, 2008 8:15:18 am
Re: # 119
gt,
...please stop encouraging the weasel - i am tired of popping him back into his hole ........
..... tha man has nothing to say except for blaming everything on the mystery us elite and calling people names .... he is insufferable, so please stop it ...
gt,
...please stop encouraging the weasel - i am tired of popping him back into his hole ........
..... tha man has nothing to say except for blaming everything on the mystery us elite and calling people names .... he is insufferable, so please stop it ...
#122 Posted by cliftonbridge on March 11, 2008 8:18:28 am
Zee jee my issue is that every society needs police and most countries need an army. Just because some fringe group doesnt agree with the policies of a country they cant insist that being in the the police/army is automatically a crime and deserving of punishment. That is complete nihilism.
These people should be voted off the island. Noone wants their visionary future imposed on the rest of us and their tactics are ghaddar and anti-pakistan.
These people should be voted off the island. Noone wants their visionary future imposed on the rest of us and their tactics are ghaddar and anti-pakistan.
#123 Posted by zeemax on March 11, 2008 8:27:52 am
#122 Posted by cliftonbridge,
Noone wants their visionary future imposed on the rest of us and their tactics are ghaddar and anti-pakistan.
Memsaheb Ji, it wasn't them who started the fight nor are they trying to impose any 'vision' on Pakistanis. They just want to fight farangi kaafirs. Why don't you let them?
Noone wants their visionary future imposed on the rest of us and their tactics are ghaddar and anti-pakistan.
Memsaheb Ji, it wasn't them who started the fight nor are they trying to impose any 'vision' on Pakistanis. They just want to fight farangi kaafirs. Why don't you let them?
#124 Posted by tahmed32 on March 11, 2008 8:28:44 am
cb: being in the army is not a crime. abusing one's power as army chief to become a dictator is a crime.
#125 Posted by zeemax on March 11, 2008 8:32:28 am
BTW they just showed the security camera recording on the gate of FIA HQ when the van smashed through taking the security guard with it. Not recommended for the faint hearted!
#126 Posted by tahmed32 on March 11, 2008 8:33:13 am
further to #117
after 9/11, americans were puzzled and asking "why do they hate us?"
after 3/11 today, i saw people in lahore puzzled and asking "what do they have against us?"
answer: do you ask a pagal kutta for a reason?
after 9/11, americans were puzzled and asking "why do they hate us?"
after 3/11 today, i saw people in lahore puzzled and asking "what do they have against us?"
answer: do you ask a pagal kutta for a reason?
#127 Posted by zeemax on March 11, 2008 8:36:08 am
#126 Posted by tahmed32,
Do you ask a cornered cat it's reason when it scratches out your eye?
Do you ask a cornered cat it's reason when it scratches out your eye?
#128 Posted by hamidm2 on March 11, 2008 8:38:09 am
Re: # 123
zeemax,
.... these people won't go away even if the americans leave afghanistan and musharraf leaves for istanbul ..... their ultimate goal is to gain political power (and control the nukes) so that they can spread islam across the world ...... since they know thay cannot win in an election, they will continue to destablize pakistan in the hope that they can seize power in the chaos ...... their target also includes the ppp - the party that the unwashed masses voted for - and anybody else who stands in their way ........
zeemax,
.... these people won't go away even if the americans leave afghanistan and musharraf leaves for istanbul ..... their ultimate goal is to gain political power (and control the nukes) so that they can spread islam across the world ...... since they know thay cannot win in an election, they will continue to destablize pakistan in the hope that they can seize power in the chaos ...... their target also includes the ppp - the party that the unwashed masses voted for - and anybody else who stands in their way ........
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