Zardari Rev 2

Re: # 45
Romair,

I like that twist to teh reality, having been sent back ball and chain in a chartered flight, you want others to follow you.

It all goes well beyond 1946. Nawab Mushtaq Husain Viqar al-Mulk (March 24, 1841-January 27, 1917), also known as Mushtaq Hussain, was a Muslim politician and one of the founders of All India Muslim League. He is also known for his involvement in the Aligarh Movement. It was Nawab Viqar-al-Mulk who literally drafted Jinnah into All India Muslim League.
The founding meeting of the League was held on 30 December 1906 at the occasion of the annual All India Muhammadan Educational Conference in Shahbagh, Dhaka that was hosted by Nawab Salimullah Khan. The meeting was attended by three thousand delegates and presided over by Nawab Viqar-ul-Mulk. The resolution was moved by Nawab Salimullah which was seconded by Hakim Ajmal Khan. Nawab Viqar-ul-Milk declared:

“The Musalmans (Muslims) are only a fifth in number as compared with the total population of the country, and it is manifest that if at any remote period the British government ceases to exist in India, then the rule of India would pass into the hands of that community which is nearly four times as large as ourselves... our life, our property, our honour, and our faith will all be in great danger, when even now that a powerful British administration is protecting its subjects, we the Musalmans have to face most serious difficulties in safe-guarding our interests from the grasping hands of our neighbors.”

Jinnah rose to prominence in the Indian National Congress expounding ideas of Hindu-Muslim unity and helping shape the 1916 Lucknow Pact with the Muslim League; he also became a key leader in the All India Home Rule League. Later Jinnah quit the Congress and took charge of the Muslim League. He proposed a fourteen-point constitutional reform plan to safeguard the political rights of Muslims in a self-governing India. His proposals failed amid the League's disunity, driving a disillusioned Jinnah to live in London for many years.
Prominent Muslim leaders made efforts to convince Jinnah to return to India and take charge of a now-reunited Muslim League. In 1934 Jinnah returned and began to re-organize the party.
(Acknowledgements: Wikipedia.org)

Re: # 45

romair,

...there you go again ! ....stop putting your hoof in your mouth ......"until a few months ago, no one even knew who he was" ..... what if i told you i have been to his house and had dinner with him ?

#45 by bulleya

i don't swing with pendulums......

Sure. We still remember how you were singing paeans for Musharraf in the aftermath of the coup and even 9/11; you were itching to join the invasion of Afghanistan.

You don't swing WITH the pendulums. You ARE the pendulum.

hamidm mian #: ...i have been saying, for ages, on this site that imran khan, aitezaz or yusuf gilani would make good pm's.....i was the only person who even mentioned gilani's name two years ago......and until a few months ago, no one even knew who he was.......

lo and behold, he is the pm.....with an overwhelming historical majority.......i have been proven correct.....

as correct as i was proven, when i told you, your friend bush would destroy the republican party and that the american people would eventually turn against him......i said that at a time when nearly 70% of americans held your points of view.......

i was proven correct there, as well......

i don't swing with pendulums......nor do i wait for pendulums to swing.......a phrase coined by you, to explain the demise of bush......

you need to stop commenting from abroad......if you are really interested in pakistan, come back and join the party, like many of us have.....otherwise, your comments - correct or incorrect - will always be opportunistic.......

rf786#: "you too suffer from the same malaise..."I feel"..."

...i feel is the basic expression of democracy....it is the combinations of i feels that result in someone being elected to a position....

hence i feel is exactly the opposite of what you are painitng it to be......it is the basic right of every human being to say i feel this or that should happen.....

i feel so and so should be in such and such position......what is wrong with saying that......people vote on that basis......

Re: # 37

romair,

shut up ! ........ who cares what you think .......before you open your big mouth wipe the egg fom your face from last time ......."i think this, i think that !" ....... fool!

Re: # 36

Zee

Nice speech, but sounds desperate.

Instead of giving bhashan, why not accept the fact that a true democracy demands diversity of opinion, tolerance and acceptance of the right to express. Like they say, abhee juma juma 8 din huway naheen and u r already giving sermons....tsk tsk....

Re: # 37

bulleya

{..there are only three people, whom i feel deserve to be pm - imran khan, aitezaz ahsan and gilani (and one could add javed hashmi to this list also)..}

Bulleya jee, what does deserve mean in a democratic setup where leaders are chosen by the majority vote? I am afraid, like Musharraf and many other feudalistic mindsets, you too suffer from the same malaise..."I feel", "I shall decide who is desrving and who is not..."

With love and respect

Arif

Re: # 33; Zeemax
"Mind your language, you product of the milkman!"

I would have accepted that but I am reliably told it was "giyarween shareef's naagha"; so the milkman didn't turn up.

Sorry to disappoint Zee bhai.

#37 Posted by bulleya on March 24, 2008 12:18:06 pm


i have a strange feeling this time it will be different


different from the last time when you told us you were a supporter of musharraf before it was cool?

aslam dude...check out capt clueless' interacts on this thread

http://www.chowk.com/interacts/5216/2/0/a

capt clueless was doing a kristen on mushy..

Re: # 37
Bulleya
Let us hope your optimism is well founded, it’s too early to arrive at any conclusions.
I personally feel there are good people at the junior level in all the parties but, unfortunately they haven’t been allowed to come through, one reason is that there is no internal democracy in the parties, the other is that democracy hasn’t been allowed to run its course in Pakistan by the army. If Pakistan can achieve Turkish style democracy in a decade that would be something maybe EU should take note and help.

aslam644#: .....i have a strange feeling this time it will be different......there is an independent civil society, an independent judiciary, an independent media.....and most of all, a public that has carried out a historic vote.....23 ministers have been voted out.......and i believe there a huge number of mnas (66%??) are new....

....and gilani is a good man......very balanced and a someone with a lot of credibility......there are only three people, whom i feel deserve to be pm - imran khan, aitezaz ahsan and gilani (and one could add javed hashmi to this list also)........

pakistan is on the right track........first time i am saying that since i have been on chowk....up til now, it was a choice of the lesser of two evils - musharraf vs. nawaz sharif vs others......now it is different.....

#35 Posted by aslam644,

You people, will keep giving your 'budd-duaas' that this coalition doesn't last.

You people, wish Pakistan not to progress.

You people, wish Pakistan to become part of bharat, or a slave of amreeka.

You people, will never appreciate that the people of Pakistan, poor, uneducated, sheep, unwashed - voted-in this Government (with no small contribution by the suicide bombers who shoved the stick up the dictators to accede.

You people, will never appreciate that even before taking oath tomorrow and immediately upon conclusion of vote today with a 77% majority, the new Prime Minister ordered the release of the Superior Judiciary from detention. Iftikhar Chaudahary appeared on his balcony today. The barbed wire was removed.

You people, will never appreciate all of the above, that Pakistan is a 'Country'.

Back to democrazy Pakistani style

All the opportunist politicians have gathered under the leadership of granddaddy of all the thieves zardari , without any consideration for principles or ideology they have jumped on the gravy train, personally I can’t see it lasting long this grand coalition, because zardari will demand the lion’s share of anything and everything.

But bulleya, main thing is not who carried out the implementation. There're many people who can 'implement'. Pakistan is not short on those. Lashari is an 'implementer', not a 'visionary'. Sharifs are visionaries.

Then, there's this thing of finances. I don't think you know (or anyone else on this stupid board) that Lahore was rebuilt, including it's new airport, without a single penny of Federal money?