Zardari Rev 2

Re: # 37

bulleya

{..there are only three people, whom i feel deserve to be pm - imran khan, aitezaz ahsan and gilani (and one could add javed hashmi to this list also)..}

Bulleya jee, what does deserve mean in a democratic setup where leaders are chosen by the majority vote? I am afraid, like Musharraf and many other feudalistic mindsets, you too suffer from the same malaise..."I feel", "I shall decide who is desrving and who is not..."

With love and respect

Arif

Re: # 33; Zeemax
"Mind your language, you product of the milkman!"

I would have accepted that but I am reliably told it was "giyarween shareef's naagha"; so the milkman didn't turn up.

Sorry to disappoint Zee bhai.

#37 Posted by bulleya on March 24, 2008 12:18:06 pm


i have a strange feeling this time it will be different


different from the last time when you told us you were a supporter of musharraf before it was cool?

aslam dude...check out capt clueless' interacts on this thread

http://www.chowk.com/interacts/5216/2/0/a

capt clueless was doing a kristen on mushy..

Re: # 37
Bulleya
Let us hope your optimism is well founded, it’s too early to arrive at any conclusions.
I personally feel there are good people at the junior level in all the parties but, unfortunately they haven’t been allowed to come through, one reason is that there is no internal democracy in the parties, the other is that democracy hasn’t been allowed to run its course in Pakistan by the army. If Pakistan can achieve Turkish style democracy in a decade that would be something maybe EU should take note and help.

aslam644#: .....i have a strange feeling this time it will be different......there is an independent civil society, an independent judiciary, an independent media.....and most of all, a public that has carried out a historic vote.....23 ministers have been voted out.......and i believe there a huge number of mnas (66%??) are new....

....and gilani is a good man......very balanced and a someone with a lot of credibility......there are only three people, whom i feel deserve to be pm - imran khan, aitezaz ahsan and gilani (and one could add javed hashmi to this list also)........

pakistan is on the right track........first time i am saying that since i have been on chowk....up til now, it was a choice of the lesser of two evils - musharraf vs. nawaz sharif vs others......now it is different.....

#35 Posted by aslam644,

You people, will keep giving your 'budd-duaas' that this coalition doesn't last.

You people, wish Pakistan not to progress.

You people, wish Pakistan to become part of bharat, or a slave of amreeka.

You people, will never appreciate that the people of Pakistan, poor, uneducated, sheep, unwashed - voted-in this Government (with no small contribution by the suicide bombers who shoved the stick up the dictators to accede.

You people, will never appreciate that even before taking oath tomorrow and immediately upon conclusion of vote today with a 77% majority, the new Prime Minister ordered the release of the Superior Judiciary from detention. Iftikhar Chaudahary appeared on his balcony today. The barbed wire was removed.

You people, will never appreciate all of the above, that Pakistan is a 'Country'.

Back to democrazy Pakistani style

All the opportunist politicians have gathered under the leadership of granddaddy of all the thieves zardari , without any consideration for principles or ideology they have jumped on the gravy train, personally I can’t see it lasting long this grand coalition, because zardari will demand the lion’s share of anything and everything.

But bulleya, main thing is not who carried out the implementation. There're many people who can 'implement'. Pakistan is not short on those. Lashari is an 'implementer', not a 'visionary'. Sharifs are visionaries.

Then, there's this thing of finances. I don't think you know (or anyone else on this stupid board) that Lahore was rebuilt, including it's new airport, without a single penny of Federal money?

#30 Posted by akcheema,

make sure these bastards do what they are there for!

Mind your language, you product of the milkman!

#31 Posted by bulleya,

Kamran Lashari was the head of Horticulture ... parks etc. He is a brilliant administrator - very perceptive and motivated - and was responsible for parks and greenery, plus his biggest achievement, the excellent Gawal Mandi Food Street.

But he had nothing to do with any of the hard infrastructure in Lahore. Nawaz Sharif did, personally.

zeemax #: "Barkhurdar, Lahore ko kya aussies ney aa kar nya banaya tha?"

from what i have heard, lahore was fixed by kamran lashari, who is now the head of cda in islamabad (?)....and islamabad is starting to look better, already.......

Re: # 28 Zee bhai

I have seen the Nya Lahore, certainly better than before but in the greater scheme of things, LONG OVERDUE. That is what governments are supposed to do aren't they?

"Ik shehr nu saaf ker kay saade agleyan pichhleyan te ki ihsaan keeta ve?" What about the rest of the country and infra-structure?

This is not a dig. Unfortunately our mindset has always been to settle for second best.

Zee bhai, make sure these bastards do what they are there for! The system of accountability has to be right up there.

I only hope my fears are baseless.

Jayp rf786
Pakistani politicians,media and civil society is still learning the craft of intellectual masterbation like the majority of chowkees.Once they master this craft they will take the next step of logical thinking and analysis.Long way to go.

#11 Posted by akcheema

Zee Bhai...What has ANY one of them done for the country?

Barkhurdar, Lahore ko kya aussies ney aa kar nya banaya tha?

Jayp bhai,

Unfortunately, politicians all over the world are the same low life breed, ambitious tothe extent of being greedy with no scruples.

Only way to hold them accountable is via elections, democratic process. As for the people, well they will have to make civil society strong enough for their voice to be heard and take active part in party politics to forward their issues.

The ducated pakistnis have analysed the breed of gillani. How about any policy directions.

For nawaz, it is only a question of kicking out mushy. He hopes to do it by reinstating the CJ, who will do it for him.

For zardari, it is a question of recovering the drain on his money in the last ten years, to refill the cofers in swiss bank, so that he is ready to be kicked out in another five years time.

There is no talk what so ver in teh pak papers about hwat the govt should do in the next 100 days.

how about some electricity for karachi.

how about addressing the fuel crisis.