Ather Naqvi March 19, 2008
#41 Posted by rf786 on March 24, 2008 8:43:39 pm
Re: # 37
bulleya
{..there are only three people, whom i feel deserve to be pm - imran khan, aitezaz ahsan and gilani (and one could add javed hashmi to this list also)..}
Bulleya jee, what does deserve mean in a democratic setup where leaders are chosen by the majority vote? I am afraid, like Musharraf and many other feudalistic mindsets, you too suffer from the same malaise..."I feel", "I shall decide who is desrving and who is not..."
With love and respect
Arif
bulleya
{..there are only three people, whom i feel deserve to be pm - imran khan, aitezaz ahsan and gilani (and one could add javed hashmi to this list also)..}
Bulleya jee, what does deserve mean in a democratic setup where leaders are chosen by the majority vote? I am afraid, like Musharraf and many other feudalistic mindsets, you too suffer from the same malaise..."I feel", "I shall decide who is desrving and who is not..."
With love and respect
Arif
#42 Posted by rf786 on March 24, 2008 8:51:19 pm
Re: # 36
Zee
Nice speech, but sounds desperate.
Instead of giving bhashan, why not accept the fact that a true democracy demands diversity of opinion, tolerance and acceptance of the right to express. Like they say, abhee juma juma 8 din huway naheen and u r already giving sermons....tsk tsk....
Zee
Nice speech, but sounds desperate.
Instead of giving bhashan, why not accept the fact that a true democracy demands diversity of opinion, tolerance and acceptance of the right to express. Like they say, abhee juma juma 8 din huway naheen and u r already giving sermons....tsk tsk....
#43 Posted by hamidm2 on March 24, 2008 11:58:56 pm
Re: # 37
romair,
shut up ! ........ who cares what you think .......before you open your big mouth wipe the egg fom your face from last time ......."i think this, i think that !" ....... fool!
romair,
shut up ! ........ who cares what you think .......before you open your big mouth wipe the egg fom your face from last time ......."i think this, i think that !" ....... fool!
#44 Posted by bulleya on March 25, 2008 12:05:25 am
rf786#: "you too suffer from the same malaise..."I feel"..."
...i feel is the basic expression of democracy....it is the combinations of i feels that result in someone being elected to a position....
hence i feel is exactly the opposite of what you are painitng it to be......it is the basic right of every human being to say i feel this or that should happen.....
i feel so and so should be in such and such position......what is wrong with saying that......people vote on that basis......
...i feel is the basic expression of democracy....it is the combinations of i feels that result in someone being elected to a position....
hence i feel is exactly the opposite of what you are painitng it to be......it is the basic right of every human being to say i feel this or that should happen.....
i feel so and so should be in such and such position......what is wrong with saying that......people vote on that basis......
#45 Posted by bulleya on March 25, 2008 12:11:05 am
hamidm mian #: ...i have been saying, for ages, on this site that imran khan, aitezaz or yusuf gilani would make good pm's.....i was the only person who even mentioned gilani's name two years ago......and until a few months ago, no one even knew who he was.......
lo and behold, he is the pm.....with an overwhelming historical majority.......i have been proven correct.....
as correct as i was proven, when i told you, your friend bush would destroy the republican party and that the american people would eventually turn against him......i said that at a time when nearly 70% of americans held your points of view.......
i was proven correct there, as well......
i don't swing with pendulums......nor do i wait for pendulums to swing.......a phrase coined by you, to explain the demise of bush......
you need to stop commenting from abroad......if you are really interested in pakistan, come back and join the party, like many of us have.....otherwise, your comments - correct or incorrect - will always be opportunistic.......
lo and behold, he is the pm.....with an overwhelming historical majority.......i have been proven correct.....
as correct as i was proven, when i told you, your friend bush would destroy the republican party and that the american people would eventually turn against him......i said that at a time when nearly 70% of americans held your points of view.......
i was proven correct there, as well......
i don't swing with pendulums......nor do i wait for pendulums to swing.......a phrase coined by you, to explain the demise of bush......
you need to stop commenting from abroad......if you are really interested in pakistan, come back and join the party, like many of us have.....otherwise, your comments - correct or incorrect - will always be opportunistic.......
#46 Posted by harish_hyd on March 25, 2008 12:33:15 am
#45 by bulleya
i don't swing with pendulums......
Sure. We still remember how you were singing paeans for Musharraf in the aftermath of the coup and even 9/11; you were itching to join the invasion of Afghanistan.
You don't swing WITH the pendulums. You ARE the pendulum.
i don't swing with pendulums......
Sure. We still remember how you were singing paeans for Musharraf in the aftermath of the coup and even 9/11; you were itching to join the invasion of Afghanistan.
You don't swing WITH the pendulums. You ARE the pendulum.
#47 Posted by hamidm2 on March 25, 2008 3:01:46 am
Re: # 45
romair,
...there you go again ! ....stop putting your hoof in your mouth ......"until a few months ago, no one even knew who he was" ..... what if i told you i have been to his house and had dinner with him ?
romair,
...there you go again ! ....stop putting your hoof in your mouth ......"until a few months ago, no one even knew who he was" ..... what if i told you i have been to his house and had dinner with him ?
#48 Posted by izuber on March 25, 2008 8:40:52 pm
It all goes well beyond 1946. Nawab Mushtaq Husain Viqar al-Mulk (March 24, 1841-January 27, 1917), also known as Mushtaq Hussain, was a Muslim politician and one of the founders of All India Muslim League. He is also known for his involvement in the Aligarh Movement. It was Nawab Viqar-al-Mulk who literally drafted Jinnah into All India Muslim League.
The founding meeting of the League was held on 30 December 1906 at the occasion of the annual All India Muhammadan Educational Conference in Shahbagh, Dhaka that was hosted by Nawab Salimullah Khan. The meeting was attended by three thousand delegates and presided over by Nawab Viqar-ul-Mulk. The resolution was moved by Nawab Salimullah which was seconded by Hakim Ajmal Khan. Nawab Viqar-ul-Milk declared:
“The Musalmans (Muslims) are only a fifth in number as compared with the total population of the country, and it is manifest that if at any remote period the British government ceases to exist in India, then the rule of India would pass into the hands of that community which is nearly four times as large as ourselves... our life, our property, our honour, and our faith will all be in great danger, when even now that a powerful British administration is protecting its subjects, we the Musalmans have to face most serious difficulties in safe-guarding our interests from the grasping hands of our neighbors.”
Jinnah rose to prominence in the Indian National Congress expounding ideas of Hindu-Muslim unity and helping shape the 1916 Lucknow Pact with the Muslim League; he also became a key leader in the All India Home Rule League. Later Jinnah quit the Congress and took charge of the Muslim League. He proposed a fourteen-point constitutional reform plan to safeguard the political rights of Muslims in a self-governing India. His proposals failed amid the League's disunity, driving a disillusioned Jinnah to live in London for many years.
Prominent Muslim leaders made efforts to convince Jinnah to return to India and take charge of a now-reunited Muslim League. In 1934 Jinnah returned and began to re-organize the party.
(Acknowledgements: Wikipedia.org)
The founding meeting of the League was held on 30 December 1906 at the occasion of the annual All India Muhammadan Educational Conference in Shahbagh, Dhaka that was hosted by Nawab Salimullah Khan. The meeting was attended by three thousand delegates and presided over by Nawab Viqar-ul-Mulk. The resolution was moved by Nawab Salimullah which was seconded by Hakim Ajmal Khan. Nawab Viqar-ul-Milk declared:
“The Musalmans (Muslims) are only a fifth in number as compared with the total population of the country, and it is manifest that if at any remote period the British government ceases to exist in India, then the rule of India would pass into the hands of that community which is nearly four times as large as ourselves... our life, our property, our honour, and our faith will all be in great danger, when even now that a powerful British administration is protecting its subjects, we the Musalmans have to face most serious difficulties in safe-guarding our interests from the grasping hands of our neighbors.”
Jinnah rose to prominence in the Indian National Congress expounding ideas of Hindu-Muslim unity and helping shape the 1916 Lucknow Pact with the Muslim League; he also became a key leader in the All India Home Rule League. Later Jinnah quit the Congress and took charge of the Muslim League. He proposed a fourteen-point constitutional reform plan to safeguard the political rights of Muslims in a self-governing India. His proposals failed amid the League's disunity, driving a disillusioned Jinnah to live in London for many years.
Prominent Muslim leaders made efforts to convince Jinnah to return to India and take charge of a now-reunited Muslim League. In 1934 Jinnah returned and began to re-organize the party.
(Acknowledgements: Wikipedia.org)
#49 Posted by jayp on March 26, 2008 11:17:59 pm
Re: # 45
Romair,
I like that twist to teh reality, having been sent back ball and chain in a chartered flight, you want others to follow you.
Romair,
I like that twist to teh reality, having been sent back ball and chain in a chartered flight, you want others to follow you.
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