The Irreverent Hero Islam Forgot

#258 Posted by tahir,

If you must proceed in that direction, wear an Imam-Zamin--whatever that is.

I'm sure you mean a condom by saying Imam-Zamin. No, Sir, if Mrs. Hamidm2 exists, she would be quite happy without one.

About his teenage daughters (if they exist) would certainly insist on the guy wearing one. Though I remember and respect Hamidm2's assertion once that how could I say such things about my 'Bhanji/bhateejis'? I won't. That was a fair demand by hamidm2.

Re: # 204

That 'P' thing is actually Pakistan-envy which makes many Islam-bashers on this site blush.

The Western idea of religion is flirtatious Greeko-Roman gods and goddesses, capitalism, communism, and many more silly 'isms'. Ah! Lenon, Marx, Mao and others.

Spend less time at the Sydney Opera House please.

Re: # 199
You don't appear to have much faith in Ham-Damn2. Are you sure the Mrs. is not a fictional character meant to ensnare innocent men?

If you must proceed in that direction, wear an Imam-Zamin--whatever that is.

Re: # 196
Thanks for your comment ["that is a great point (and only you appear to have made it here) - that the true Quaid-e-Azam can only be Prophet Muhammad"]

When I propounded this to hard-core Pakistani-Deobandis, they were initially taken aback but then smiled generously and hugged me. You too are very kind in paying compliments Mr.Eklavya. Of course, 'deen' seperated from 'siyasat' degenerates into 'Changayzi'--so said poetic Allama Muhammad Iqbal.

I remember seeing somewhere a picture of Mr.Jinnah relaxing on a bench in a park, wearing a suit and two-tone shoes--very different from the 'official pictures' in our textbooks.

If only he could return to give a taste of his two-tone shoes to these clowns who lord over us...

Regards.

Re: # 245

Tahmed sahib:

"... this simple concept makes religion a liberating force rather than an oppressive one...."

Would you agree to say that let us use "human mind" instead of "religion" in this statement?

Supremacy of mind not only matter, but concept of God, itself is a state-of-mind. Just belief in religious fundamentalism is another state-of-mind.

Many may have enslaved their mind, and thus can never understand. Irrespective who they are Hamidm or Massaddi Mian.

#253 Posted by masadi
“Things are getting interesting and will probably get a whole lot bloodier if the Americans don't get what they want,.”

These are what I call the obvious conclusions given the historical US approach in matters like the one on hand. These tricks work with the army and generals as they don’t understand what public support means and Generals give up quickly or resort to blackmail (that is what mush has been doing for the last 7 years).

In Pakistan’s case admitting defeat would be the last thing in the US mind and all those things that you mentioned mean admitting defeat in Pakistan.

There are still many pieces of puzzle that have not been defined clearly. For sure there are officers in the army that are supporting NS. The Generals and the US know that too. Any army action or Martial Law could mean civil war in Pakistan. Now the US might love that but we still don’t know whether the Pak army as a unit would go for any US forced solution that might start the breakup of the army itself.

Many people think the Generals would do anything for the US but since the Sept. 11, we are watching many fissure points in the Pakistani society. I doubt that the army is immune from resulting disputes and would outright accept any decision from the Generals or the US that would be considered unpatriotic by many in the army itself.

Pakistani politicians and the army have been dealing with the US for a long time and know pretty well how the US operates. The politicians are finally in a position to go eyeball to eyeball with the army and US and at this time I think they are going to take chances!

The WoT drama would go down considerably come Jan 20th, So the politicians now have to find a way to deal with the US for another six months or so and the way to do that is not by acquiesce but by deferring!

"this simple concept makes religion a liberating force rather than an oppressive one."

Absolutely! I have repeatedly emphasized that point, since it is so different from what many outsiders seem to expect.

HP writes "It will be hard for the PPP even in its own backyard to go against NS on this issue."

Things are getting interesting and will probably get a whole lot bloodier if the Americans don't get what they want, eventually prepping for the Iran invasion they will opt for "liberating" the Western parts of Pakistan, unfortunately the turmoil for the people of Pakistan will continue for the near future. This "move" by the Americans and its welcome coverage by the media was another step in the right direction for the people- it merely shows that what is relatively easier to accomplish with the Pakistan Army is getting a bit more complicated and they are getting ever more jumpy- hence such "mistakes"- we hope and pray that these "mistakes" continue in the future....


g'night...

#251 Posted by HP,

Thank you.

Refering to asadi’s posts.

I think the US made the worst diplomatic move in Pakistan by sending its top two diplomats at the wrong time.

They needed to wait this out. It was clear from the oath ceremony and NS meeting with John that situation is getting grimmer out there in Islamabad. NS brought in the Parliament in the whole discussion thus tying up everyone’s hands in PPP or any other forces outside.

NS has raised the stakes. I heard Saudi Arabia is pressuring him to come to the Jeddah for discussions. He is resisting that too. Eventually he will go but not until he has tied the whole thing in knots for the army and US.

Something I wanna say here: Besides his supporters in Punjab, the ANP supporters and even the PPP supporters in Sindh and the Baloch support him in his approach in dealing with the US. It will be hard for the PPP even in its own backyard to go against NS on this issue.

Apparently, his message to the US is: get rid of Mush and we will talk to you. If that means confrontation with the army, he will probably go for it and that alone would be enough to make the army back off.

#249 Posted by masadi,

it was a firm and polite rebuff, masadi. This time this idiot got no protocol, and met Nawaz Sharif in Frontier House in Islamabad instead of the US embassy as the previous Government.

majumdar writes "As per your analysis what is the purpose of this visit? And the likely outcome?"

Samosa and chai first and foremost, don't want to digress from the sage (of the sewer) Hamid's analysis then

i) keep fighting the war on terror in other words maintain the status quo and don't get any false ideas about your soverignty or challenging the military, if you don't comply we intervene

ii) Forget about the restoration of the judiciary, (like I said earlier it sets a dangerous precident for military rule in Pakistan)

outcome: i) status quo ii) martial law iii)US intervention in the Western parts with the related fireworks that are persuasion tools used by the American using the mullah who "hops to" whenever called.

zee writes "politely"

why politely? A go "F" yourself and your mama would have been more appropriate

masadi/majumdar,

First thing Negroponte did was to meet Nawaz Sharif, who's not even in the cabinet. Soundless clips were shown on TV, and the body languages were quite revealing.

Negroponte was shown the door, politely.

Here is masadi and CW Mills discussing US Elite and Peons on the West. Enjoy

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xq0YSRAXj4w

masadi #243 no you twit, i did not red-flag your posts.

eklavya sahib: while appreciating your taking the time to defend my honor before hamidm's dastardly references to me as doorknob, i would much rather you use your precious time to consider and discuss the substance of what i wrote to dr cheema concerning "religious" vs "philosophical" God.

I do agree with the important point you make to dr. cheema - that given the idea of individual responsibility to God, it does not matter if what I write is not the religion understood by many. And also i would like you to consider the implication - this simple concept makes religion a liberating force rather than an oppressive one.