The Irreverent Hero Islam Forgot

akcheema "Besides who is to decide how it should be spelt; that is not the original language of the text and it can potentially be spelt any way appropriate to convey the message as with any other proper noun."

It is unfortunate that the mullahs having too much time on their hand would make an issue of the spelling of Quran/Koran. Comprehension is what it should be about. If you are writing for a Western audience, the are most familiar with Koran, they would not as easily understand Qur'an- so while writing for them as audience I use Koran (as you will see all over my website), while writing for Muslims, who cares how you spell it, you can spell it as "Q" and they would understand it...more important things to argue over people than this....time to get past this mullah syndrome...

Re: # 177
Majumdar Bhai,

My intention here was NOT to prove if he was a "pukka musalman" or otherwise.

I think you know very well what I was trying to say!

Cheers.

Re: # 153

Massaddin Mian:

"...I am on the right side in this battle, the side of light and not the darkness, barbarism, destruction...."

This one-liner is so from Bollywood "C" movies.

You cannot even plagiarize from a decent source. At least try Hollywood movie one-liners. Please take classes from Salim Sahib on creativity. These days, Salim is in a fighting mood.

Cheema sahib,

Surely MAJ was Islam's greatest leader since the rightly guided Caliphs.

(but you are adament he wasn't a murtid!)

You can contact Atif Payee for details to show that he was a true Muslim.

Regards

Re: # 174; Majumdar Bhai

aren't you upgrading MAJ's status a little too high here? And btw, pbuh is usually only reserved for prophets; before someone else tries to set you straight! I personally don't care.

The man was an agnostic, drank and ate pork/ham openly; married a Parsi girl and produced a Parsi child. Couldn't even say "Namaz/Salat". I have nothing against that personally, but you are adament he wasn't a murtid!

All his "persona" of a "mard-e-momin" was created and refined to an art form after his death. You should read in detail before allocating him sainthood, I reckon!

Cheers.

Re: # 173; no, not recently.

Zee sahib,

Re: Spelling of the Prophet and the Holy Book

I guess just becuase someone spells it some way does not make him a bad way unless his intention was clearly to denigrate it. "Mahound" certainly seems to be in that catgeory. I have spelled Koran that way without having any desire to insulting anyone's sentiment.

And surely you cannot overlook the fact that MAJ (pbuh) spelt his name as Mahomet. And he was probably Islam's greatest leader by a mile since the days of the rightly guided Caliphs. Certainly not a anti-Muslim or a murtid by any chance.

Regards

#169 Posted by akcheema,

No I'm not talking about the vermin's book. Have you seen any of his interviews?

Re: # 169; Zeemax

I apologise for some cheap remarks I might have made in anger; I don't think getting personal gets us anywhere.

I do sincerely mean it.

And keep your hands off other people's wives for God's sake!

Cheers.

#167 Posted by akcheema,

I have seen both worlds and since I live in yet another part of the world, gives me a lot deeper perspective than you'd ever have.

Hmmm ... as if no others may have done the same, or the few who did, failed to develop any 'deep' perspectives.

But a dingo is a dingo in one place and a dog in another. The bark is the same! Doesn't change much with climate I guess ..

#166 Posted by hamidm2,

I have never cussed your wife. As per whatever you've told us about her, she seems like a good Momina, and I wouldn't mind asking for her hand in marriage when your Nikah is nullified by you officially declaring yourself a murtid.

Re: # 163; Zeemax
"Just as the pope of murtids rushdi spells Muhammad as Mahomet".

If you are referring to "the Satanic Verses", it was spelt/distorted to "Mohound" and NOT Mahomet.

Thought you needed everything clarified.

Truce now?

#164 Posted by hamidm2,

Well, all I wanted to establish was that cowasjee has no credibility and you shouldn't quote him on anything. When he says "sala sub chore hai", that may be true or untrue, but one thing is certain that he himself is a big "Chor"....

Re "the venom and acrimony i see between the pml-n and mqm guys on tv does not bode well for the future", it indeed does not. I see this move of MQM to ditch the Chaudhries as some sort of wheeling dealing to get into the federal cabinet - in which case - PML-N will not join it and restrict itself to Punjab and form Punjab Government without PPP. That will in turn bring about the eventual fall of the government in the center, re-elections, and a clean 2/3rd sweep of PML-N in the next snap elections just as in 1997 because PML-Q will have dissolved by then.

The issue of PML-N re MQM is a very fair and principled one. They just want to know what exactly happened on May 12 in Karachi, what were the motives behind it, and who was responsible. Is enquiry into May 12 an unfair demand? MQM refuses to concede on that even though it claims innocence, and PPP is not asking for it either to get in bed with MQM - in order to preempt any move by Amin Fahim in forming a 'forward bloc' with MQM support in Sind.

PML-N has a clear and principled stand on each issue, in harmony with public sentiment, which will win them unprecedented support in the future while usurpers and conspirators will fall by the wayside.

Re: # 165; Zeemax

just to clarify my education as it seems to have bothered you a bit. As I said befor on Gil Sahib's board, I was born in England and grew up between the UK and Pakistan; I have seen both worlds and since I live in yet another part of the world, gives me a lot deeper perspective than you'd ever have.

I speak/read/write english because it is almost my first language; on what grounds do you use "the gora boli"; then you went all funny when I mentioned "sour grapes" before!

Re: # 163

zeemax,

the pakis spell muhammad as mohammad or mohammed; the turks spell it as mehmed or mehmet; i call him mo of mecca ........ so what is the difference ? a false prophet by any other name still has clay feet .......sorry for the mixed metaphors, but you get the point ...

...... i really don't understand why you mohammedans (or muslims as you like to be called) get so upset about such petty things ..... seems to me that your faith is not as strong as the horrible hindoos who don't mind people making fun of their god's tail or nose ......what is it that causes you people to react so violently to percieved and real insults ? ...... look, you and others have insulted, abused and cussed my wife and daughters (real people as opposed to the bedouin in a cave) and i have just ignored it .....why can't you do the same ? .... what is it in your primitive brain that makes you start foaming at the mouth just because someone spells the silly book as 'koran' instead of the stylized 'qu'ran' or whatever ? ..... you guys remind me of the kid in fourth grade who would go into a blind rage if someone called him a homo; by eighth grade he had many boyfriends and finally found happiness .......

Re: # 163; Zeemax
"As for his spelling of Qur'an, how many people who were educated in Pakistan spell it this way? The answer is NONE."

That is exactly how it is spelt, not just in Pakistan, but most parts of the Muslim world. The Qura'an you suggested, I have not seen anywhere including Pakistan.

btw; Dawood's translation of the Qur'an is spelt as Koran; that happens to be a well respected translation. May be you should write to him as well.

Besides who is to decide how it should be spelt; that is not the original language of the text and it can potentially be spelt any way appropriate to convey the message as with any other proper noun.

This faithfreedom thing you keep refering to; on your recommendation, I did look up. There is nothing there I didn't know about; don't tell me I have presented you with any challenges from that web-site. As for the questions raised on that website, they all appear pretty genuine; regardless of who is asking, you should try to answer them perhaps. May be consult with Tahir Sahib and the others as well to "up the anti"! as they say.

What I write here, comes from my own mind, unless I specify, use quotes/parentheses or at times references or state that I came across some material elsewhere. May be you should try that so we all know who happens to be behind your ideas.