The Irreverent Hero Islam Forgot

Masadi sahib,

As per your analysis what is the purpose of this visit? And the likely outcome?

Regards

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In #238 read "regarding his advertise "morality"" as

regarding his advertised morality

campfollower masadi #238: i am not going to read your post. i have used up my quota for you this week.

I now order you to write at least two more posts addressed to me or about me (with at least two personal insults directed towards me in each) which I will also not read but I like to see my campfollower keep himself in shape! You have your orders..now get to work

By the way the heading for my ilog about the Negroponte visit (below) is aptly put:

Barbarians at the Gate: Negroponte visits Pakistan....again

By the way Negroponte is on his ultimatum tour again and he is visiting with the new PM, the opposition as well as the rat (president) and seperately with Kiyani- This trip is only for exchanging pleasantries, enjoying samosas with tea, it has no political agenda because as we all know there is no such thing as the US elite or their interest in Pakistan, according to the resident scholars tahmed, and hamidm.......these idiots will be denying US role in Pakistani affairs even when one of these days the thugs in washington declare that they have to liberate the people of Waziristan...

Tahmed doesn't have a clue about anything, let alone the Quran, he reads (or better yet does not read) the Quran through the lenses of the white man's master symbols regarding his advertise "morality". In other words, he hold the Quran subordinate to what the white man tells him is correct and incorrect. Just like the "religious god" (has many varieties)- and only God knows what the hell he means by this as God has commonly been defined by religious institutions, reasoning through which led to his "philosophical god" (also having many varied varieties)- the facts are lost on him. He is spineless, moraless and thoughless. Many times (even as he has acknlowledged) he has copied what I have written about the Quran, mixed that with his white man worship and presented that as if it is "proof" of his idolatorous ways.

Science reveals a very specific God, rather than a "religious god" or a "philosophical god", consider what the facts show. That has been treated extensively by me and the article can be read here http://god.rationalreality.com

The hypocrite tahmed, is the very antithesis of the way of the Quran, ignore the fool...

cheema sahib: i'll check out your posts and get back to you later.

Hamidm: Namecalling is not an argument. And in any case, there are far more seasoned namecallers on chowk than you. So that leaves you neither here not there - just like "lost-my-deposit" lota rashid and the "rising sun" musharraf whom you were brilliantly predicting would oversmart everyone.

I could start competing with you in namecalling. But I wont. Because I like to believe that people sometimes sound more stupid on chowk than they actually are.

akcheema ji

Hope you won't take hamidm2 too seriously and mistake your interlocutors here for doorknobs.

Neither is anyone here, on either side, deaf, or blind.

The problem is that you are trying to talk across the tallest and the most impenetrable dividing wall ever constructed on earth (or in heaven).

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BTW, it is patently unfair of you to tell tahmedji that he or any other Muslim 'can't bail out' by talking of HIS particular Islam. He does and will and has a right to, just as does and will every other Muslim. That is the essence of direct relationship to Allah (or Allah's message).

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And that's the wall that makes all communication (on the issues of interest to you) totally futile. Can you even imagine trying to use your 'reason' with a billion plus fully-believed-in 'Islams'?

How many will you talk to and convince - one, ten, two hundred, one million?

Re: # 233 Zeemax

btw; we can also discuss the intricacies of "wahdat-ul-wujud" or its opposite in detail. Perhaps starting with Ibn-al-Arabi himself?

Personally I am of the opinion:

"dubito, ergo cogito, ergo sum"!

Cheers and Khuda Hafiz for now.

Re: # 232; Zeemax bhai

Ghalib also said something like

"Jabke tujh bin naheen koi maujood;
phir yeh hangaama ai khuda keya hai"

I am going to work

Cheers

Re: # 228 Zeemax bhai;

I think I have written a lot on this subject in the Sufi context, and if my memory serves me right, you'd find it all on the Bulleh Shah board.

Just to finish off what you started; I think it is the second last sheyr, ends like:

"yeh masaa'il-e-tasawwuf, yeh tera beyan Ghalib
tujhe hum wali samajhte, jo na baada khwaar hota".

Apologise if made any mistakes.

Cheers

Re: # 229; hamidm sahib,

I think you are right; I give up!
Although saying that, my doorknob does respond more approprately to what it is meant to do!

Cheers

Re: # 228 Zeemax bhai

Thank you sir. Please feel free to read my contributions towards the end on the Bulleh Shah board by Gill Sahib. I have spoken in reasonable detail about the concepts you are referring to. think it was in reply to Majfari Sahib.

Cheers

cheema sahib,

........ why are you talking to a doorknob (aka tahmed) ?????