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The Irreverent Hero Islam Forgot

William Dalrymple March 19, 2008

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#164 Posted by hamidm2 on March 24, 2008 3:09:28 am
Re: # 159

zeemax,

.... okay, so cowasjee is naked in the hamam with the rest of them - nawaz sharif, gilani and the choudhary brothers ..... but you must admit he has taken musharraf to task on the 'disappeared' and he has always called him the 'lesser evil' ..... besides, the man is just a loud mouth and not one of these politicians who seem to be up to their old tricks again ...... the venom and acrimony i see between the pml-n and mqm guys on tv does not bode well for the future ...... in a couple of months ppp might have to change 'partners' - i hope it doesn't happen, but it doesn't look good ...... as cowasjee says, "sala sub chore hai" .... you have to agree there is some truth to that
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#163 Posted by zeemax on March 24, 2008 2:55:41 am
#155 Posted by tahir,

Mr. Tahir, you're being too gracious in accepting this akcheema's apology which is neither sincere nor honest.

It is a white-lie. When he says in #113 "That is a pure oversight; I am not the world's fastest typist.", you should see how many words he types in all caps in his posts i.e. CAPITAL LETTERS ... and you'll know what I mean. This person (or whatever creature he is) does it deliberately.

As for his spelling of Qur'an, how many people who were educated in Pakistan spell it this way? The answer is NONE. This is straight out of faithfreedom.org and shows the crusader spelling of the name. Just as the pope of murtids rushdi spells Muhammad as Mahomet.

Re the envy of the male reproductive organ he mentioned, I suppose he would be well advised to solace the female amongst his nearest and dearest who has that sense of deprivation by saying to her that - as long as she has one of hers - she will have plenty of those!
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#162 Posted by akcheema on March 24, 2008 2:16:45 am
Re: # 161
"I dunno about that, but yours is certainly all about whirling around with a big dhol around the neck in sheer ecstasy brought about by 'love' of the Prophet Muhammad sustained by a heady punch of bhang".

LOL!
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#161 Posted by zeemax on March 24, 2008 2:05:00 am
#114 Posted by Naqshbandi,

... for wobblers like u islam is not about devotion to allah and his messenger but all about killing and political power...

I dunno about that, but yours is certainly all about whirling around with a big dhol around the neck in sheer ecstasy brought about by 'love' of the Prophet Muhammad sustained by a heady punch of bhang.

Congratulations! Your murshid, Pappu Saeen of Baba Shah Jamal fame, has been awarded the 'Tamgha-e-Imtiaz' yesterday for doing just that and doing great service to the whirling variety of Islam.
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#160 Posted by akcheema on March 24, 2008 1:27:33 am
Re: # 159; Zee bhai
".........because he thinks everyone is a fool but himself."


...hmmmm.....who else do I know that fits the description I wonder......

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#159 Posted by zeemax on March 24, 2008 12:53:15 am
#103 Posted by hamidm2 Re: # 96

zeemax, okay, you are right ... he wasn't a minister .....

Thank you. Next time do check your facts before making your argument.

.... but i really don't get the point of this discussion ... what are you trying to prove ?

What I'm saying is cowasjee is a typical humbug kind of looney who shouldn't be taken seriously. Even his own extended family members avoid him because he thinks everyone is a fool but himself. He badmouths Jinnah for being some sort of dictator while supporting musharraf. He has a beef with everyone and everything except the khakis whom he adores. Have you read his accolades about every retired army man he has ever known from colonels to generals?

BTW, let me tell you something (and you can verify it). This fake and fraud, who blackmails every large builder by obtaining stay orders based on civic arguments to stop constructions, has himself fenced off an empty plot of Government land adjacent to his house, built a gazebo in it, and uses it as his lawn. The society administration keeps sending notices which he ignores because they know they won't demolish it, him being the biggest media blackmailer around.
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#158 Posted by tahir on March 23, 2008 11:39:26 pm
Enough for one day; I must now return to getting CHOWK editors to publish what appears to have been consumed by their office 'bakri' as part of Operation Cleanup! To criticise Islam and Pakistan is okay here, to satirise the Western ideals in not.

See you all, soon.
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#157 Posted by tahir on March 23, 2008 11:26:34 pm
Re: # 115

May I say something to the resident of the Motor-CIty madhouse?

Wahabbis don't call themselves Wahabbis, but rather Muwahidoon (unitarians).

Explaining away the beauty of the Qur'an (now watch your spellings unless you've only read Orientalists) with the Alif-Lailawi Sufi-Hadith literature is a great injustice.

Mercifully, the Most Merciful provides insights into things only to those who walk the path with reason, faith and unwavering sure-footedness.

Take that step now.
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#156 Posted by tahir on March 23, 2008 11:17:49 pm
Re: # 114
All the dancing girls revere this saint too!

Let's see what Mr. Gilani does standing on his own two feet instead of the crutches of his ancestors.

Peace

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#155 Posted by tahir on March 23, 2008 11:14:18 pm
Re: # 113
To realise something is the first step! Do take time out (away from surgery) to notice these little things that somebody older (hence wiser) points at. Your apology is now public and sounds honest and hence acceptable to me. Mr. Zee will do what he pleases.

Positioning one's little finger over the SHIFT button is easy to master. For example: shift 'm'= M!

How does one's sexual organ come into the arguement? One must neither drag the 'thing' around nor think through it.

Peace.
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#154 Posted by tahir on March 23, 2008 10:59:05 pm
Re: # 89
Liberal means: tolerant of different views and standards of behavior in others, borad-minded, favoring gradual reform, especially political reforms that extend democracy, distribute wealth more evenly, and protect the personal freedom of the individual (now isn't that Islam??)

Mr. Zee, do refrain from name-calling Ejaz's father, who died leaving us just the dentures to weep over (buried at Faisal Mosque, Islamabad). Don't we all laaahhhve to hate the dictator?

And I would strongly suggest that you drop the pseudonym.

Regards and season's greetings.


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#153 Posted by masadi on March 23, 2008 10:38:36 pm
hamid writes "to be very honest, there are only three people and one woman on chowk who, i believe are rotten to the core and i will not suffer - masadi, urstruly, romair.."

It is a great honor and privilage to be on your bad list. That tells me that I am on the right side in this battle, the side of light and not the darkness, barbarism, destruction and global destitution that you support. The cure for your ailments and frustrations is a long walk off a short ledge....
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#152 Posted by nkg on March 23, 2008 9:47:49 pm
Re: # 142
You are correct. BJP is very much opportunistics and is lacking leadership skills in centre. In fact, internal feud has caused much damage (Uma Bharti, Kalyan Singh). BJP has not gained popularity through mass movement. Ram temple movement was supposed to be in people's mind beyond few years. People expected a better alternative of Congress. Some Pakis see BJP as religious party like they have ( who support Quoran, Haddish, Sharia, Huddod, Blashphemy lasw...). Ha ha ha....., I fill pity for them....
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#151 Posted by akcheema on March 23, 2008 6:45:28 pm
Re: # 150 Hamidm Sahib,

are you sure you discount masadi's assertions about the US elite completely?

Cheers
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#150 Posted by hamidm2 on March 23, 2008 6:36:28 pm


tahmed,

.... don't feel slighted - you are also welcome whenever you come to michigan ..... regardless of your rather queer and quaint views on islam that have no bearing to reality, you are a harmless chap and i would be more than happy to buy you a couple of beers and then beat some sense into you! ......... to be very honest, there are only three people and one woman on chowk who, i believe are rotten to the core and i will not suffer - masadi, urstruly, romair and that woman frau sadna ........ for them there is no redemption .... what about jayp and arjun? ... they are just a pair of hormone crazed kids who have yet to discover an outlet for their sexual frustrations .... i will take them down to eight mile road and buy them a twenty dollar whore - that will get them off your back ....
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#149 Posted by bjkumar on March 23, 2008 6:07:02 pm
Re: # 146

Tauheed sahib, one can always hope for the best. However, the simple reality is that the external constraints on Pakistan stay exactly the same as pre-election, and perhaps it matters very little who the current players are. The power to change those constraints in all likelihood resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and nowhere else.

More worrisome is the (apparent) fact that even the internal constraints have not changed. You can blame Mushy all you wish but he is a mere individual and was nothing without the khaki institution behind him. Yet nobody dares to blame those real culprits who installed him in place and kept him propped up over their own awaam.

There is no sign that there has been any change in the mindset of that institution.

Perhaps it IS possible for the US policymakers to accord a bit more dignity to the new leaders than those who only understood the language of being "bombed back to the stone age" - that would be right and proper. However, many of these leaders have a track record of wasting opportunities.

There was no deliberate intent on my part to rile you up! (Sometimes these things just happen.) :)
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