The Irreverent Hero Islam Forgot

#111 akcheema: you listened to a qawwali, but you ignored (or at least did not comment on) the perfectly rational and intellectually honest explanation of the concept of God that i had presented on another board.

wrt the bubble that is human life: you say this sounds nihilistic, but in fact it is anything but that when you consider that you are part of a much bigger and grander scheme of things.

Re: # 114

naqshbandi,

..... you are a good man ........if all muslims were like you and my mother i would be okay with being a muslim ..... unfortunately, she is dead and you are a dying breed ... these damn wahabis are what islam is all about nowdays ... even the koranist tahmed is a wahabi-in-waiting with his absolutist 'everything is in the book' nonsense .... what happened to that live and let live islam ???

... look me up if you are ever in detroit - maybe we will go and visit sheikh kabbani who has a large following among the lebanese in this area .......

zeemax: why do u call zia al haqq (a man I do not and never did like) --a disgusting name of zina-al-fuck? i would have thought a nihilist-wahabi-terrorist-sympathiser like you would
have liked the man who, more than anyone else, was responsible for the rise of this extremist deobandi-wahabi strain of islam in pakistan.

and even if u don't like him--why call him disgusting names? its not terribly islamic is it? oh yeh, i forgot. for wobblers like u islam is not about devotion to allah and his messenger but all about killing and political power...

oops!

p.s. i am all for this gilani fellow--by his name i guess he must a descendent of sayyidina ghawth al azam shaykh sayyid abd al qadir al jilani al baghdadi, the greatest of all the sufi saints of islam?

also, i saw this interview with musharraf on geo tv the other day and--well i LIKED the guy. despite his mistakes he genuinely seems to be a straight-forward guy who wants the best for pakistan. i hope he is allowed to stay...

Re: # 83 & 88; Tahir and Zeemax;
"These people, I don't know what to call them, have no basic 'respect' and they're supposed to be liberals".

That is a pure oversight; I am not the world's fastest typist. Same is true for hindu/christian/judaism etc; sometimes I get it right, sometimes I don't; I can assure you its not deliberate and DOES NOT have covert meaning/feelings etc. Besides i am severely dyslexic too.

My apologies.

However, if we are still in the domain of penis-envy, I'd try to take extra care from now on.

And I'd try to spell it Qur'an; is that acceptable?

Re: # 77; Hamidm sahib,
"i feel jilted - am i a smaller murtid-muslim than cheema-come-lately?".

that can never happen; so please don't you go getting paranoid as well! there are plenty like here already..I'd be happy to do "bayt" on your hand and pledge allegiance any day sir!

Re: # 98; tahmed bhai
"i know this sounds grim, but life is grim when you are a small bubble in an endless ocean".

that is a bit nihilistic isn't it? Cheer up man, it might never happen!

Like I said, I live a good life (not meaning financially); If your God is as grand as you make him out to be, just read your own excerpt above; he might reward me for using the brain he gave me than of intellectual cowardice! Surely he must have SOME sense of justice.

I have said before, I began to doubt the religious rubbish in my adolescent years. The thing that made me think for the very first time, and yes you can all laugh, was a qawwali by Aziz Mian (I didn't even like qawwali then!). It was none other than "Aadmi hai benazir"; please do me a favour and listen to the full version carefully once or twice. That got me thinking......

Re: # 109

GT,

... we can talk to india because they are horrible hindoos and not muslims ..... as the great slobodan milosevic of serbia once said about the bosnian mohammedan leader, ibrahim izetbeogovich, "how can you talk to a man who doesn't drink ?"

#108 Posted by hamidm2:

What is your take on this Gilani guy? He said something like - If we can talk to India then why not to our own guys. I kind of like that!

Re: # 107

GT,

... that is what he said in one of his posts - but who knows ... you can't trust these people

#106 Posted by hamidm2:

No, I mean has he left the US?

Re: # 105

GT,

... it is an educated guess, but where else would he go?

#104 Posted by hamidm2:

"and then finally took off to take up residence somewhere in a cave along the pak-afghan border"

When??!! Is this true?

Re: # 100

zeemax,

... urstruly is the epitome of an asshole - the man was right here in michigan and for years i kept on inviting him to meet and discuss this over a couple of shirley temples and whiskies, but he declined .... i wonder why?

.... he ranted and raved against america while living on government handouts and then finally took off to take up residence somewhere in a cave along the pak-afghan border ..... unlike you - who is suffering from the common strain of type-II islam brought on by the onset of old age - the man is a born jihadi ........ you are just trying to save your keester from hell fire like the other type-II patients .....

Re: # 96

zeemax,

okay, you are right - i misread and he wasn't a minister ..... according to wikipedia :"Ardeshir was appointed by Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto as Managing Director of Pakistan Tourism Development Corporation (PTDC) in 1973 but was jailed for 72 days in 1976 by Zulfikar Ali Bhutto for which no explanation has been given to date"

......... so what is the difference ? ....the fact remains that the man has been an outspoken critic of everyone including zia, bhutto and musharraf even though he seems to have a personal vendetta against the bhuttos ...... but it still puts him, nawaz sharif and many others in the same boat as far as zia is concerned ......

.... but i really don't get the point of this discussion ... what are you trying to prove ?

zeemax: but i'll agree that it is not correct to accuse someone of something behind his back. So, replace "urstruly's brand of islam" with "zeemax's brand of islam" - the one where you applaud the fata mullahs. and correct me if i am wrong here.

in any case, the distinction between the peaceful live-and-let-live version of islam of hamidm's parents vs the oppressive version that i made below is still valid.

zeemax #100 urstruly has not made any secret of his view that religion is not a choice and that his sympathies are with mullahs. thus - when the suicide bombing took place in lahore, all i saw from him was talk about how the first bombing was ok because it was targetted against pakistan government.

i dont claim to be an intellectual, so it doesnt matter if he has written not just chowk articles but best sellers.