The Irreverent Hero Islam Forgot

Re: # 138

Tahmed sahib:

Only thing I am attributing to you, is anger against Musharraff. Woh bhi munasib ho sakta hai, abhi.

Yes, Tahmed sahib, I believe that Musharraff could have wrecked the elections, and delayed democracy, and even made the path bloodier. Saudis are no friends of democracy, therefore, neither their protege, Mian Nawaz is.

I also believe, that Pakistani government needs to demonstrate that it can take a stand independent of the U.S. "Bombing back to stone age" etc. indeed put Pakistan as very week and gave birth to thoughts that Arjun expresses. Hopefully, democratic Pakistan will put such nonsense behind.

#145 anil sahib: my anger makes no difference. it is the vast majority of pakistanis who have said "enough" to musharraf's outrages.

mush was not beholden to the Pakistani people, and acted accordingly. With the new government it is the reverse. A representative government carries a gravitas that a tinpot dictator can never posses. No doubt Pakistan will be a much stronger and much more reliable member of the world community now that the tinpot is reduced to begging to be allowed to "serve out his 5 years", even if only as a powerless figurehead.

#144 akcheema sahib: in making this analogy, you are once again overlooking that "minor" point about the voice of the people which is what makes pakistan after mush different than Syria (or any other arab dictatorship or kingship).

Re: # 147; tahmed sahib,
Point taken. I wish I could share your enthusiasm about this farce; have a look at Tariq Ali's website; he is a crank but says something useful now and again.

I would invite you back to the base planet though when you are ready!

Re: # 146

Tauheed sahib, one can always hope for the best. However, the simple reality is that the external constraints on Pakistan stay exactly the same as pre-election, and perhaps it matters very little who the current players are. The power to change those constraints in all likelihood resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and nowhere else.

More worrisome is the (apparent) fact that even the internal constraints have not changed. You can blame Mushy all you wish but he is a mere individual and was nothing without the khaki institution behind him. Yet nobody dares to blame those real culprits who installed him in place and kept him propped up over their own awaam.

There is no sign that there has been any change in the mindset of that institution.

Perhaps it IS possible for the US policymakers to accord a bit more dignity to the new leaders than those who only understood the language of being "bombed back to the stone age" - that would be right and proper. However, many of these leaders have a track record of wasting opportunities.

There was no deliberate intent on my part to rile you up! (Sometimes these things just happen.) :)

tahmed,

.... don't feel slighted - you are also welcome whenever you come to michigan ..... regardless of your rather queer and quaint views on islam that have no bearing to reality, you are a harmless chap and i would be more than happy to buy you a couple of beers and then beat some sense into you! ......... to be very honest, there are only three people and one woman on chowk who, i believe are rotten to the core and i will not suffer - masadi, urstruly, romair and that woman frau sadna ........ for them there is no redemption .... what about jayp and arjun? ... they are just a pair of hormone crazed kids who have yet to discover an outlet for their sexual frustrations .... i will take them down to eight mile road and buy them a twenty dollar whore - that will get them off your back ....

Re: # 150 Hamidm Sahib,

are you sure you discount masadi's assertions about the US elite completely?

Cheers

Re: # 142
You are correct. BJP is very much opportunistics and is lacking leadership skills in centre. In fact, internal feud has caused much damage (Uma Bharti, Kalyan Singh). BJP has not gained popularity through mass movement. Ram temple movement was supposed to be in people's mind beyond few years. People expected a better alternative of Congress. Some Pakis see BJP as religious party like they have ( who support Quoran, Haddish, Sharia, Huddod, Blashphemy lasw...). Ha ha ha....., I fill pity for them....

hamid writes "to be very honest, there are only three people and one woman on chowk who, i believe are rotten to the core and i will not suffer - masadi, urstruly, romair.."

It is a great honor and privilage to be on your bad list. That tells me that I am on the right side in this battle, the side of light and not the darkness, barbarism, destruction and global destitution that you support. The cure for your ailments and frustrations is a long walk off a short ledge....

Re: # 89
Liberal means: tolerant of different views and standards of behavior in others, borad-minded, favoring gradual reform, especially political reforms that extend democracy, distribute wealth more evenly, and protect the personal freedom of the individual (now isn't that Islam??)

Mr. Zee, do refrain from name-calling Ejaz's father, who died leaving us just the dentures to weep over (buried at Faisal Mosque, Islamabad). Don't we all laaahhhve to hate the dictator?

And I would strongly suggest that you drop the pseudonym.

Regards and season's greetings.

Re: # 113
To realise something is the first step! Do take time out (away from surgery) to notice these little things that somebody older (hence wiser) points at. Your apology is now public and sounds honest and hence acceptable to me. Mr. Zee will do what he pleases.

Positioning one's little finger over the SHIFT button is easy to master. For example: shift 'm'= M!

How does one's sexual organ come into the arguement? One must neither drag the 'thing' around nor think through it.

Peace.

Re: # 114
All the dancing girls revere this saint too!

Let's see what Mr. Gilani does standing on his own two feet instead of the crutches of his ancestors.

Peace

Re: # 115

May I say something to the resident of the Motor-CIty madhouse?

Wahabbis don't call themselves Wahabbis, but rather Muwahidoon (unitarians).

Explaining away the beauty of the Qur'an (now watch your spellings unless you've only read Orientalists) with the Alif-Lailawi Sufi-Hadith literature is a great injustice.

Mercifully, the Most Merciful provides insights into things only to those who walk the path with reason, faith and unwavering sure-footedness.

Take that step now.

Enough for one day; I must now return to getting CHOWK editors to publish what appears to have been consumed by their office 'bakri' as part of Operation Cleanup! To criticise Islam and Pakistan is okay here, to satirise the Western ideals in not.

See you all, soon.

#103 Posted by hamidm2 Re: # 96

zeemax, okay, you are right ... he wasn't a minister .....

Thank you. Next time do check your facts before making your argument.

.... but i really don't get the point of this discussion ... what are you trying to prove ?

What I'm saying is cowasjee is a typical humbug kind of looney who shouldn't be taken seriously. Even his own extended family members avoid him because he thinks everyone is a fool but himself. He badmouths Jinnah for being some sort of dictator while supporting musharraf. He has a beef with everyone and everything except the khakis whom he adores. Have you read his accolades about every retired army man he has ever known from colonels to generals?

BTW, let me tell you something (and you can verify it). This fake and fraud, who blackmails every large builder by obtaining stay orders based on civic arguments to stop constructions, has himself fenced off an empty plot of Government land adjacent to his house, built a gazebo in it, and uses it as his lawn. The society administration keeps sending notices which he ignores because they know they won't demolish it, him being the biggest media blackmailer around.

Re: # 159; Zee bhai
".........because he thinks everyone is a fool but himself."


...hmmmm.....who else do I know that fits the description I wonder......