The Irreverent Hero Islam Forgot

#231 akcheema: "I think you are right; I give up!"

I told you I would read your posts and get back. Without giving me that chance, you jumped to join Hamidm in implying that I am not being reasonable.

If you wish to seriously discuss something, then you would need to give me the consideration I give you.

I will in any case now look at your posts now and see what you have to say and respond.

Re: # 253

MASADI SAAB,

I am new here. Can you guide me please so I know what to do.
Regards

Peon of The West

akcheema #224/5/6: "YOUR concept of God is called "Deism";"
it has nothing to do with ritualistic religion of any kind; "

You are merely playing with words and labels here. If you want to get serious, then address the substance of what I have written.

"please get the concepts clear in your head first."

The fact that you dont agree with me does not mean that I am ignorant or confused.

Basically what you are saying in these three posts is that I have no right to have a view on the Quran that is different from yours. That I have no business conceiving of God as being something more than the maulvi concept of God (i.e. of a glorified thanedar) and still calling myself a muslim.

I am afraid this is as far as we can carry this discussion. Thanks.

#264 anil sahib: It is true that the concept of God, as of everything else, is within our minds. But "supremacy" is not a relevant word for this. Kant solved this problem centuries ago when he said quite the same thing (i.e. that everything we perceive of conceive is an image in our minds), but that merely means we can never understand what he called the "ultimate reality". Which ties in with the concept of a Supreme Being tha our brains can no more comprehend than a dog can comprehend calculus (actually I had trouble with it too, but that is another story..)

Re: # 263

tahmed,

... i never said accepting islam makes you a criminal - it makes most people a fool (doorknob) ...... but if you have the slightest mental problem it will turn you into a suicider or homicider ..... like any other virus it attacks the old, the young and the feeble (minded) ...... on the other hand, some of my best friends are muslims and seem to be doing fine (so far) ...... but i do keep a wary eye on them for any tell tale signs of the full blown disease .......

hamidm: So what about your claims that the Quran has verses which, if read aloud under a full moon turn normal men into bloodthirsty werewolves and normal women into lecherous she-devils? :-)

more seriously, if you have the "slightest mental problem" you dont need a reason to turn suicidal or homicial - in fact, the suicide rate is highest in places like Iceland and Sweden and Finland (no muslims there, no unwashed there). Same for homicide rates.

Re: # 275; tahmed bhai
I reply as follows:

1 - There is a well-recognised difference b/w 'deism' and 'theism'; read up and tell me if I am wrong
2 - Believe in Father Christmas or the Tooth Fairy if it helps; doesn't mean they are real
3 - If you think that by rejecting 'unsuitable' aspects of Qur'an and Sunnah and selective reading etc., you can call yourself anything but Muslim; Ahmadis do the same when it comes to the concept of "khatm-e-nabuwwat"; otherwise the basic theology etc is the same as Sunni Islam; If they insist on being called Muslims, are you going to accept it at face value?
4 - The interacts I was referring to were over the last month; not just the last three that suited your needs; please don't apply your selective understanding to everything else in life as well
5 - Your assertion about the Swedes; that my friend is called the effects of Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD); there are also genetic explanations as well; they do it quietly (personal matter); not blow everyone else up til kingdom come as well
6 - If this "all-inclusive" concept of God you are into now (like Zeemax tried to distract me with Ghalib thinking I might not be able to deliver!), then what the hell does it matter anyway! "dar hashr da rakhiyay dil vich kiyun, jad mein hi naeen teh fair dar kaa'da"!

I am not trying to convert anyone, can you reassure Eklavya for me; he seems pretty concerned for some bizzarre reason. If we all kept our ideas to ourselves then what is the point of language in the first place.

Now stop sulking and be a good boy.........

Cheers

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Re: # 199
Is this the Moth Smoke/Reluctant Fundamentalist man?
It is important to know what level of madness one is confronted with on CHOWK!

Regards.

Re: # 209
Dear man-with-a-brain-larger-than-my-own,

Did Prophet Muhammad stop after he purified worship and helped mankind to seek true guidance? It had to grow from personal to regional, and then global. He did not stop at just teaching everyone how to perform 'wudu'?

Man's faith is linked with living. Only you see politics as something seperate from faith.

In the meantime, you may continue to worship the golden calf of neo-con caliphs. Those who curse the rightly-guided ones are indeed unblessed to the core. Every once in a while, one must glance at the rear-view mirror.

I will see you again, won't I?

Re: # 212
Kumar sahib, your ability to sum it up (burp) has been duly (another burp) noted.

Regards.
PS: burrrrrp....

Re: # 214
Funny! But it nicely explains away the mystery of those who follow a 'khalifa' who specialises in circumcision!

Did he really inspire you to take up chop-chop surgery?

Re: # 214
"Only the erring follow the poets"

Who said that? The Sublime and the Subtle in Qur'an, of course!

Re: # 218
You forgot to impress us completely dear!

"Whatever good happens to thee is from God; and whatever evil befalls thee is from thyself."

Now who said THAT? Take a guess...

Re: # 221
"All religions, Abrahamic or otherwise, are man-made. WE created the God(s) in OUR image not the other way around."

Stay away from rotten theories and wicked literature if you wish to have mental peace. Come to your senses doctor before the patients start complaining too!

The next thing you'll propose now is: daddy and mommy created every atom in your body!

Re: # 224

Mr. Tahband Battees (dhoti-32) or Tohmat Battees (charge-32) says:

"Religious God" is based not on the Quran but on a jahil culture".

Momins please take note of this blasphemy.