The Irreverent Hero Islam Forgot

Re: # 173
Maestro, please tell me which books, what interviews, and who is this Ham-Damn2 who is about to lose his better half to you?

Guru...that was hilarious :)

Re: # 177
Majumdar sahib,

In calling the man Qaid-e-Azam, one forgets that that title is best suited to Prophet Muhammad (peace on him).

Muhammad Alibhai Jinnahbhai Khojani changed his name to sound acceptable to English ears. He was a political leader but never Islam's great leader or anything like the caliphs.

Regards.

tahir, that is a great point (and only you appear to have made it here) - that the true Quaid-e-Azam can only be Prophet Muhammad. And for all his greatness, Mr. Jinnah was still no original caliph.

Still, we shouldn't, even by implication, minimize Mr. Jinnah's great, truly exceptional, religious status. After all, in Islam, politics and religion are the same sides of the same coin. Take politics out of Islam, and I don't know what would be left behind.

[Hope you won't misread it as an insult to anyone, but a possible statement of fact. For instance, I asked Mr. Tehsin Abbasi (one of Mr. Hamidm's friends) if there was ever in history anywhere a significant political dispute that Muslims as a group had with any group of non-Muslims, which was not turned soon into a religious fight for Islam, and didn't receive a response from Mr. Abbasi.

My feeling (which you may correct) is that that would be hardly possible because the religious and the political are inspeparable in Islam. So as a great political leader of Muslims who probably changed and saved the lives of More Muslims than anyone other than Prophet Muhammad himself, Mr. Jinnah deserves a very rich and honorable place as a religious leader as well.

And with justification as well: All the great religous pirs of India worked mightily but as tiny underlings to help Mr. Jinnah's great effort and struggle (and if THAT was not a great Jihad then we would need to re-think what Jihad might be.)

Of course, you seem very knowledgeable, and if you disagree, we will respectfully hear your view. Thanks in advance.

I seem to have a contracted a bad case of 'greats' in #196. Lame excuse: agree or disagree with Propeht Muhammad and Mr. Jinnah, it's impossible to overuse that word when describing these two men even briefly.

Zeemax

Post #159

" He badmouths Jinnah for being some sort of dictator while supporting musharraf."

To quote a so called parliamentarian (though a colonist to the core),Winston Churchill, "The honourable gentleman is being economical with the truth."

On the contrary, Mr Cowasjee has been praising Mr Jinnah as if he was the best thing ever happened to Pakistan, since the arrival/introduction of sliced bread. All along he has been quoting excerpts from Mr Jinnah's various speeches relating to freedom for everybody.

Actually, it has been quite tiring to see Mr Cowasjee quoting Mr Jinnah, day in and day out. And many a times, even when it did not warrant.

By the way, I have not read him/his coloumn for over 3 years now. If things have changed during this period, I do not know.

#193 Posted by tahir,

Maestro, please tell me which books, what interviews, and who is this Ham-Damn2 who is about to lose his better half to you?

Guess I don't have to say about the books and the interviews , but I can say about Mrs. hamidm2. she's a Momina (from what he has told us), and would gladly dump him for a Momin if she had the slightest chance.

So, Mrs. Hamidm2 Zindabad!

zee, thanks for clarifying that important distinction between bowing (in respect and admiration) and prostrating (in surrender) yesterday. I will keep it in mind.

In post #198, I meant, colonialist, while quoting Winston Churchill.

eklvya, did tampax show you how he kneels and bobs, yet? it is written in quran or is it qu'raan or koran or q-ran or kewron or kuron or simply the compendium of 7th century circular logic.

CA, a rose by any other name would smell as sweet but connoisseurs care :)

As to logic being circular etc., who cares if it work perfectly for a billion plus people?

One leaves this place for a couple of hours and look what you come back to!

Zeemax and Tahir Bhai: As far as I am concerned, the matter is closed unless "aap ne gadhay murday ukhaadhne hein?". Water under the bridge.

That penis envy thing Tahir bhai can still be up for discussion (don't worry you can spell it fully, no need for innuendos!; don't tell me the word makes you blush!!Common!).

Eklavya bhai; mostly "sar kay ooper say guzar geya; keya karain dimaagh hi aisaa hai bhayya". That doesn't mean you should ramble on on the subject more though! When I called you Eklavya "the chakkerbaaz", I used it advisedly.

The hindus here; what can I say. I have criticised some of the silliness of Abrahamic faiths so far; please don't even get me started on your version of the same gobledeegook please! May be not a bad idea; might even generate a laugh reaching all the nooks and crannies of the land! Let us leave it there guys.

What I have learnt so far is that most of the truth behind belief is hidden well behind "thick scotch mist!". That can have the capacity to make it fascinating, like fairytales to a child (for me at least), or make others do silly things at times. This is NOT just one single set of faith/values though; none of them are immune from this nonsense. It is best to interpret this exactly as it is, hidden behind scotch mist. It is when we become very sure and certain of "the truth (our version)", the problems start. Worse, when we try to impose it on others.

The reason mankind invented religion/gods etc is essentially an extention of "the imaginary friend" psychology of childhood. Subsequently, this permeated into the wider human psyche as "the clan" concept, to bring a group of people together (for mutual identification).Now have your imaginary friend console you, give you hope personally etc, don't expect others to just "see him/her" exactly "how YOU see it"! because that is when the problems start.

Learn to live and let live for once! and don't let anyone (especially some fairy in the skies or ridiculous looking statues), divide up humanity.

Cheers; and Happy Easter/Eid Milad/Holi/others etc etc.....Amen (sorry for the belated message).

Cheema,

hamid2 is always around to make fun of all religions. It's quite an envious job.

A billion plus people also believed that the earth was flat, the moon was made of cheese and on the 7th day god rested to smoke a blunt.

CA, some people are happy to have their elephant-nosed god ride around on a rat's back. Some can't wait to get to all that cheese awaiting them on the moon.

So long as you don't put the rat-god and the moon-cheese together, what's the problem?

No..but one should make as fun as possible of choots who believe in elephant gods riding rats or those who kneel and bob to the moon god from arabia. For those within these believers who think they are special, should be put into little special ed school buses and dropped off a cliff...for those who think that shit written thousand years ago as tribal laws for a local society is relevant today, should be tarred and feathered...and those who are waiting for a one eyed devil..should just look in their pants and messiah would come.

We don't have time for these idiots eklavya...we are trying to evolve and frankly don't have time to cater to relics of a mediocre past wth mediocre thought. Except for making fun of them and where appropriate dropping a daist cutter or two or even lubing up the ramrod,