The Vicious Circle of Violence

Re: # 153
Pmishr2..
If you seriously believe that ancient traditions "vanish" because islam has some intrinsic wonderfulness...

Ans: Yes sir...The wonder you look into some nice statistics from Transparency International etc...

http://www.masada2000.org/nobel.html

#153 by pmishra2

Mishra bhai, Aleph is indeed being sarcastic. If you didn't know his views (he is perhaps an Indian Christian), you should read his earlier interacts.

#143 alephNull

I assume your response is a joke or some weak attempt at irony. If you seriously believe that ancient traditions "vanish" because islam has some intrinsic wonderfulness, than you are maybe mentally ill and probably quite dangerous even when unarmed.

Your response is actualy a vivid demonstration how some aspects of islamic ideology is quite close to nazi ideology or extreme forms of communism. Each of these extremisms pretends that it has some special answer to all our problems that is unique and involves complete obliteration of the "other" side. Exactly the kind of thing you have put forward...

Re: # 139
Pmishra2...
islam definitely has a supremacist side - it
Ans: Those who are not confident (...rather knows that it is BS) , try to impose. Bad teacher uses cane very frequently....The method adopted by Muhammed was quite simple and Quoran is ideal for any criminal gangster to succed...

Re: # 143
Ali:-
...and willingly embraced the Religion of Peace and Justice.

Ans: If that would have been true, Muhammed need not had to invade Medina,Mecca...

Re: # 143
Al...

Coming next on Chowk FP: the great Islamic egalitarianism as the finest of al-Islam's manifold contributions to South Asia.

Ans: Gautam Budhdha had spread that very effectively without any violence...
If as prince, he can leave all his wealth and lead a life of Vikshuk (not exactly shabby as beggar), so can anybody.

Egalitarian view from a economically poor looter does not look very good from human social value system (Loot other's propery,enjoy part of it and distribute amongst poors...Instant heroism..clap,clap,clap...But those who generate wealth and process of generating excellence stops...)

Re: # 143
Ale...
When the light of the True Faith arrived there a little more than a millennium ago, tolerant and humane Islamic rulers gave all facilities for benighted Buddhists and Hindus to continue to practice their outworn creeds.

Ans: ...and destroyed the monasteries and temples PEACEFULLY in Afghanisthan/Pakisthan (whatever remained in remote hilly areas survived)...this PEACEFUL spread of Islam should happened before the islamic invastion... But Pakistan and Persia experienced different story...First sword and then PEACEFUL spread of Islam....

Re: # 147

Laddu, you are doing us more harm than good.

After elections , the Jaza-e-Jehad has increased amongst Paki momeens.
The script that has been implanted in their minds would run it's inevitable course.

More attacks on indian cities is expected from Paki momeens. More attacks are also expected on cities in west- especially Europe.

It would only stop unless Pakistan is dismantled!!

Re# 144

Hindus in Inida are killing humans before they are born. Muslims in Pakistan are killing humans after they are born. The killings must stop for the sake of humanity!

haideri

Re: # 144

This cult of Mohammadeism is a virus of insanity that needs to be cured by opening mental asylums in Pakistan!! It has no cure, and the affected Islamists need to be incarcerated.
UN needs to fund a huge project on this in Pakistan.

AN #143
"There is absolutely no contradiction between the peaceful and tolerant nature of Islam and the relative absence of other religious traditions in Afghanistan and in the North-West of the Indian subcontinent."
Wah! Wah!! Peaceful treatment of Ahmdadi's and Bahai faiths and tolerance in Saudi Arabia towards bringing of Hanuman Idols are very strong arguments in favor of your QED
You also failed to mention that only way for someone in peaceful Islamic counteries to renounce Islam as faith is through grave. Very strong proof of tolerance indeed.

pmishra2 #31

{{If you really want to talk about tolerance, start with your hometown. How many buddhist, hindu and sikh temples are there? What is their condition? How visible are these minorities? Have their numbers grown or shrunk in the last 50 years??}}

#92

{{If islam is inherently multi-cultural and peaceful, where are the sikh, hindu and buddhist temples of Afghanistan and Pakistan? Hindu and Budhist traditions were active in this region for 3000 years - and most important - where are the hindus, sikhs and buddhists???}}

Pmishra babu, you have repeated the very same question/assertion like a stuck gramophone record in #31, #66, #92, #112, #115, #135. We heard you the first time. Please cease your inane blabbering.

There is absolutely no contradiction between the peaceful and tolerant nature of Islam and the relative absence of other religious traditions in Afghanistan and in the North-West of the Indian subcontinent. When the light of the True Faith arrived there a little more than a millennium ago, tolerant and humane Islamic rulers gave all facilities for benighted Buddhists and Hindus to continue to practice their outworn creeds.

However, the more intelligent sections of the populace – just like the inhabitants of Mecca in 630 CE - perceived the truly enlightened, rational and universalistic nature of Islam – as opposed to the parochial, particularistic and irrational nature of their ancestral faiths – and willingly embraced the Religion of Peace and Justice. Only a few pandit-hates clung to their ancestral religion hoping to lord it over the common people again should Islam ever be vanquished. If the thinking people and the masses voted with their feet for the enlightenment of al-Islam over the barbaric jahalat of Hinduism and Buddhism, it is because the former is manifestly superior in every way to the primitive mindsets and superstitious traditions embodied by the pagan creeds – not because of any supposed intolerance from Muslims.

And naturally, once the pagan creeds lost their adherents, their temples and monasteries were no longer needed and fell into disrepair. Some no doubt were put to better use or simply dismantled – others just crumbled away. QED.

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Coming next on Chowk FP: the great Islamic egalitarianism as the finest of al-Islam's manifold contributions to South Asia.

#139 pmishra2

[...but many muslims realize this is some ancient baggage and are struggling to move on...]

pmishra,

How many of these Muslims would be willing to declare the koran as "ancient baggage" in ANY Islamic country?

I think you are indulging in wishful thinking. The handful like hamidm do so in the safety of the anonymity of the Internet, and that too in the USA.

#140 slyder

[Stop eating cow dung you stupid fukkers and maybe the civilized world will reconsider.

And stop sprinkling gao muthra in the server room while you're at it! ]

Now now. Such language! What would your mothers say?

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