The Vicious Circle of Violence

Eklavya, Ajeya


There is no need to accept this kind of silly fairy tales about mohammed or jesus or krishna or whoever. If your point is that for many muslims this is normal - well, we have to point this out vigorously and defend our position.

People do change - I am not saying its going to be easy - islam definitely has a supremacist side - it has an over-emphasis on how it alone stands for true religion and other bakwaas like that - but many muslims realize this is some ancient baggage and are struggling to move on.

Look, a couple of hundred years ago, christians were still killing heretics and a hundred years ago most hindus believed that jati really meant that some communities were better/purer than others.

So there is no contradiction between being blunt when somebody trots out stupid statements - islam is religion of peace or mohammed was a pacifist gandhi-type - and at the same time thinking that people can learn and move forward. Maybe some are slower than others....

#136 Eklavya

[pmishra ji, with all due respect, this is the biggest problem I have with us Hindus.

We take an ordinary, average, normal, middle-of-the-road person and declare him a fanatic, and extremist, a gonner, instead of recognizing that the person is simply being an average, normal, middle-of-the-road person of his faith.]

This is the biggest problem I have with you liberals. You take a cult-member (albeit by birth), a believer in something far more insidious than Mein Kampf, someone who is part of the very soil that terrorism grows on, someone who would vigorously defend his cult, and declare him a harmless and average man of peace.

As I tell my liberal friends - Daniel Pearl was a liberal.

Eklavya, middle of the raod in certain faiths is a fanatic as identified by 5/6th of the humanity. You are a numbers man..as you said...so numbers speak for themselves. Nothing Baig or you can do about it. We are coming into yoru house and telling you that. tough luck buddy...make sure you can protect tampax by hiding him in a safe and dark place :)

"this guy is one of these fanatics who believes fairy tales about his religion based on selective choice of historical facts."

pmishra ji, with all due respect, this is the biggest problem I have with us Hindus.

We take an ordinary, average, normal, middle-of-the-road person and declare him a fanatic, and extremist, a gonner, instead of recognizing that the person is simply being an average, normal, middle-of-the-road person of his faith.

There is nothing Baig sahib suggests that any Muslim (who call himself or herself a Muslim) will not tell you with complete confidence, or any liberal Nehruvian/Gandhian Hindu would not agree with.

* I know a couple of people who disagree with this 'of peace' business but you can count them on the tips of your fingers.

#127 dost_mittar

The relationship between hinduism and buddhism in India is a different issue. There could well have been fights - I certainly dont believe in stupid statements like "Hinduism is the religion of peace" etc. We know that Buddhism was a state religion of some kings at various points, we know that the some hindu kings did not look on Buddhism with favor...

My question is simpler. If Islam is inherently peaceful etc. where are the historic traditions of afghanistan and pakistan? Why is there this extreme allergy to hindus, buddhists and sikhs in these countries? How come every large indian city has 100s of mosques and an active muslim community but the same is not true of Kabul, Kandahar, Peshawar, Lahore, Karachi, Hyderabad, Rawalpindi etc?

Why does this never get discussed when we consider islamic multi-culturalism - why should we keep repeating this discussion of Spain and Turkey only???

Summarizing: this guy is one of these fanatics who believes fairy tales about his religion based on selective choice of historical facts. So he should be treated accordingly - a not very intelligent twit....

"Mr. Baig does not participate in chowk discussions."

Mr. Baig is a man of his faith, propounding his faith.

Discussions here will not advance his cause.

(By the way, such men in India are called secularists.)

Re: # 125

Mohammad is the real culprit behind this cult of violence. He mastered the art of dis-information. He ensured that no one wrote anything disparaging about him. He ensured that the poetic flowery language of the scribes turn int HIS revelation. And when one of the scribes saw through the act he got them executed.
He mis-represented the pagan religion of Mecca- he spread the mis-information that they "worshipped" idols and that their idols== god . He USED Abrahim to stake a claim on Mecca and destroy the idols.
He USED the Abrahmic hatred for idolatory to kill, loot , rape and occupy Mecca and take reenge for his past humiliations.

Blame this circle of violence of Mehammad. No one else is to e blamed not OBL, not Ali, not Ayesha, Not Maududi.
Destroy Mohammad's FALSE representation through the flowery language of his scribes.
And the circle of violence would END!!!

Re #110
Vengat...

The purpose was simple. Frighten non-moslems and exploit the situation. They have expected support from Congress ( specially Sharad Pawaer) and police. Low level police force (Sub-Inspector and lower ranks), like commoners deserted Congress and ....
Siv Sena have saved Mumbai...

Re: # 110
Vengat...

Mumbai situation was something, which could have been exploited by any Marathi leader. Bal Thakre have taken that cause. People of Konkan have benefitted a lot from Siv Sena. The method used by him is very bad.
Regarding 1992-1993 riot, it was bound to happen anytime. The same Dubai-Muslim Underworld-Congress nexus was forcing business/industry to flee Mumbai. Only people benefitted from this nexus is smugglers and 3rd grade Mumbai movie makers. The situation from mid-eighties were becoming untolerable. It was the muslims, who have initiated the riot (...I was in Mumbai for 2 years. Most commoner's account says so). The basic tactics followed by moslem terrorists are same everywhere (operate from muslim ghettoes. When you attack them,some commoners will get effected. And cry foul about it. Hamas & Hejbullah are using the same tactics).

Indians there is no Paki in the gallery. Ek Dukka Mittars can play to the gallery but there is nobody there. Dont waste ur time here on this chowk. This is probably yet another NGO to manipulate young minds. These people are are employed to post articles and posts. Seems one poster has 5 nicks. Good Bye!

Hope this helped some Indians.

Hinduism is not an ism or religion. That is why it will outlast all and will lead humanity to peace and prosperity. Wars were never fought to spread Sanatan Dharma. Yogi is Hindu. Dhyan-dharana-Samadhi can happen while developing new process for substrating GaAs ..while coming up with faster Simplex algorithm. That is when one reaches to the higher consciousness. In fact, you reach to that higher consciousness so get those ideas.

When you progress on this path you will see oneness of every thing. The barriers and walls will disappear. You will be Sat-Chit-Ananda ie roughly Freedom(truth), Confidence and Bliss.

Re: # 127:
""India Unvarnished" at chowk, which you can search by clicking on the author of the article. It is really the kind of history that was popular during secular reinterpretation of history.
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"India White-washed" at chowk, which you can search by clicking on the author of the article. It is really the kind of history that was popular during pseudo-secular, lifafa and doomed Doon re-interpretation of history.

Today's Hinduism is more Jainism and Buddhism. Which religion/culture allowed settlement of Jews, Zaratrostian, Syrian Christians and even early Arab Muslim and even celebrated their presence. These doon kids are very superficial. One can imbibe their talk while having whisky at their expense. But do not forget to flush it later in their toilets.

Went to a hillstation resort type farm-house of a relative with heavy british accent. His father was commissioned in 22 with Iskandar Mirza. Childhood in Quetta and schooling at Doon. Voracious reader mostly of books of nature Last Mughal, British Army and its conquests, World War I etc. Lot of pictures of Sambhaji with Aurangzeb's daughter. But no Marathi book on Dnyneshwar, Tukaram or even Shivaji as a social reformer. Utter contempt for local religion and culture.

Thanks god, India was saved from such morons. our 7th grader Vasant Dada Patils and even Lalus are wiser than these elitist Dhobi ke Kutte.

pmishra2#92:

Unfortunately, Mr. Baig does not participate in chowk discussions. But I know that he does not share your views about who destroyed Buddhism in South Asia. According to him, it was extreme violence and persecution by Hindus of Buddhism that was the reason. He gave a detailed history of India in a large article "India Unvarnished" at chowk, which you can search by clicking on the author of the article. It is really the kind of history that was popular during secular reinterpretation of history.

Which one is it?

I-slam-Ur-Mouth or I-slam-Ur-Intellect/Reason/Common Sense?

Re: # 117
The idol worshippers of Mecca were so overcome by the peaceful and bloodless conquest in 630 AD that they accepted Islam

Ans: So, Muhammed needed conquest to spread Islam!!!!

Re: # 118:
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The idol worshippers of Mecca were so overcome by the peaceful and bloodless conquest in 630 AD that they accepted Islam"}
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The idle worshippers of I'bad were so overcome by the peaceful and bloodless conquest in 1999 AD that they accepted I-slam-Ur-Mouth religion and accepted handsome Kammandu Khilapha as the new prophet who ruled "piece-fully" for next nine years.

The rest is His-story.