The Vicious Circle of Violence

The birthday of The Prophet Muhammad is a good time to remember that he was a man of peace.


man of peace? HAHAHAHAHAHA....

Eid Milad al-Nabi mubarak to all!
He is verily, "Rahmatulilalamin"-- a Mercy unto the Universes...

the perfect one who forgave those who tried for decades to kill him and those who killed his closest friends and family. He even forgave the man who killed his beloved uncle and the woman who then split open his uncle's belly and took a bit of his liver. When he entered Makkah as the victor he forgave everyone. subhan Allah. May my mother and father and my very being and my honour be sacrificed for his name! amen.

Ya Rasul Allah I love you!

aaj milad e nabi hai kya suhaana noor hai
aagyaa voh noor wala jis ka saaya noor hai!

sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam!

Rejoice O Mankind!

Re: # 2

naqshbandi,

stop making a fool out of yourself ! ........ the man might have forgiven one crazy woman, but by allowing the killing of another he has stuck us with this silly blasphemy law that prevents me from saying what i really think about him .... so instead ,i will just cuss the camel that brought him to medina ....... if there is such a thing as hell for animals, that camel will be rooming with the jackass that brought jesus' mama to bethlehem ....... mankind would have been much better off if these two hadn't showed up on earth and stayed in heaven with their father ......

anyway, happy eid-i-mild-un-nabi .....

Re: # 4; Hamidm,

I wonder, was it the same camel whose urine was recommended to the faithful to have contained medicinal properties and a deterrant to various ailments if consumed in appropriate quantities? (It is a Sahih Hadith, in case someone has doubt).

Cheers and rejoice O faithfuls! Can one celebrate with champagne?

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Re: # 5

P.S.: It is from Sahih Bokhari; the reference is as follows:

"Volume 7, Book 71, Number 590:
Narrated Anas:

The climate of Medina did not suit some people, so the Prophet ordered them to follow his shepherd, i.e. his camels, and drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they followed the shepherd that is the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. When the news reached the Prophet he sent some people in their pursuit. When they were brought, he cut their hands and feet and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron."

Who needs modern medicine eh?!

#4 hamidm:

You are a smart person. Given your views, don't you think it would be some what risky to think of retirement in Pakistan?

Unless, you think that Islam will be reformed and folks will become sufficiently tolerant by the time you are ready to move.

Re: # 2
"May my mother and father and my very being and my honour be sacrificed for his name! amen."

That sounds like the sort of expectation David Koresh would have of his followers; but hang on a minute, wasn't that a notorious and viscious cult?!

Sorry, just a news flashback from a few years ago; I stand corrected.

Re: # 8

I suppose people can get by by keeping their mouths shut about issues that matter in the Islamic Republic; I am planning to go and live/work there in the near future. So that answers tahmed's earlier query about my alleged "beratement" of the people.

One must understand that the worst victims of Islam are actually Muslims themselves. Besides, in INTER-COMMUNAL conflicts throughout muslim history, far more muslims were killed by muslims themselves, than any non-muslim population! This is what no one talks about. Not to mention the complete lack of the ability to THINK rationally; there is no worse slavery in the world mate!

The "conspiracy theorist" would keep at the elite from here and there; what they never mention is the INTERNAL HEGEMONIES that are so prevelant and are actually taking place right now; the usual "face-saving" that goes on in our society doesn't allow us to talk abou these in front of "Ghairs"!

May Allah have mercy on my soul......

Baig says:

"Tragically evil things are never done with such righteous pride and such joyous glee as when they are done in the name of religion."

This is the crux of the matter. The fact is as GBS says "Way to hell is paved with good intentions".

When Quran says "Tum hi ghalib raho ge agar tum momin ho" it is calling upon true believers to be overpowering as the test for true faith, as some believe, is political predominance and not a moral one.

Can there be any peace in the world when the religion is exhorting the believers to overpower others to be true believers?

'Ghalba' is the ultimate truism clearly laid out by Muhammad a long time ago. Without Ghalba, there's no life. There's no such thing as 'peaceful coexistence'. Big fish eats the small fish. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

Re: # 12 Zee bhai
what you are saying is that the "big fish" eating "small fish" should be muslims and that would make it allright?

Pakistan was created for perhaps the same reasons; so we could have 'ghalba' over our own destiny; all that came out of is exactly what is written above. (btw; this view is not new but expressed by Ibn-e-Insha in his book "Urdu ki Akhri Kitab"; it is a good read!

Re: # 6
People who take gallons of cow urine as tonic should not object to camel urine drinkinhg who are sick. Really people should do reserch on both animals.
I know people who are prison for long time use self urine for massage as body becomes strong and he can survive whipping its common practice where is whipping is normal practice to decipline and improve morale.

Other example shows the sensitivity and appreciation of trees specially date tree who gives sweet dates year after. Now same people will not find fault with tree protection.

One has to understand symbolic message of these stories , but blocked heads of goats will never appreciate. To understand or appreciate culture one should be cultured.
Good night.

I guess if someone who started at least a hundred wars (and screwed an equal number of chicks) can be considered a man of peace, Bush should be considered the most peace loving person ever to have lived.

Baig, is following a good Summary:
"Christians broke treaties whenever it suited them. Muslims honored their treaties. Christians killed their minorities. Muslims allowed people of other faith to live their life or leave with their property. Even if Muslims had to kill people of other faith, they made sure they killed equal number of Muslims.

One question - Why are there no minorities worth counting in Middle east? Kindly don't count Shia and Sunnis as minorities in those counteries.