The Vicious Circle of Violence

Re: # 16; friend
"Why are there no minorities worth counting in Middle east? Kindly don't count Shia and Sunnis as minorities in those counteries"

There are two guys, Eklavya and Zeemax, who can answer that question fully.

All I can work out is there is this "brilliant system" incorporated within the Islamic fibre that takes care of this issue!

The birthday of The Prophet Muhammad is a good time to remember that he was a man of "peace".

Many jihadis also believe in the above, they got the spelling wrong, "peace" they understood as "piece" and that is why they blowing people to pieces.

Ha Ha Ha....The first sentence is very funny.... Muhammed was apostle of peace ( fought 7/8 wars, looted properties, killed thousands of people.) Changed definition of peace....

Christians broke treaties whenever it suited them. Muslims honored their treaties. Christians killed their minorities. Muslims allowed people of other faith to live their life or leave with their property. Even if Muslims had to kill people of other faith, they made sure they killed equal number of Muslims.
Ans:
http://www.iranian.ws/cgi-bin/iran_news/exec/view.cgi/2/4793
List of wars Muhammed had fought peacefully....

Yes Mr. Murad A Beg....Peaceful spread on Islam in Persia ( AD-635-650.....

#17 Posted by akcheema,

"Why are there no minorities worth counting in Middle east? Kindly don't count Shia and Sunnis as minorities in those counteries" There are two guys, Eklavya and Zeemax, who can answer that question fully.

You're even more ignorant than the poster of the quoted nonsense. Even a quick wikipaedia check will tell you how many coptic christians are in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Egypt ....

Next time go to the following link before making any ridiculous statement:

www.wikipedia.org

Re: # 21; Zee bhai
don't get upset, I was merely directing the question to the appropriate authorities on the subject.

A couple of small points:

Coptics are from Egypt; descended from ancient Egyptians (Wallahu Aalam); mass migration out of Egypt into various European countries in the last few decades

Lebanese and Syrians are Orthodox Church not Coptics; Again, population proportion of Christians in Lebanon has dropped from 65% at the end of WWII to

Re: # 21; Zee bhai
don't get upset, I was merely directing the question to the appropriate authorities on the subject.

A couple of small points:

Coptics are from Egypt; descended from ancient Egyptians (Wallahu Aalam); mass migration out of Egypt into various European countries in the last few decades

Lebanese and Syrians are Orthodox Church not Coptics; Again, population proportion of Christians in Lebanon has dropped from 65% at the end of WWII to less than 30%; ongoing exodus continues; big pop. in Australia

Syria: Generally no major issues; as I said before elsewhere, the Islamist issue was "sorted out" by Hafiz Asad (Alawite himself) in 1982 (Hama); hence peace and quiet for a while

Iraq: we all know is not safe for anyone. Christians remain all but a miniscule minority since early 1990s with growing unrest and anti-christian feeling with the demise of the Baathists (secular) and the rise of Islamism; surely multiple factors at play here

Palestine: Again since the relaxed grip of PLO (secular) and increasing support for Hamas etc (Islamists), mass exodus and increasing marginalisation

I hope that puts everything in perspective.

Cheers

Re: 21 Sorry Zee bhai, my post got cut off in half so had to send it twice.

One last thing; until recently Lebanon was regarded as a Christian majority country (see figures below); not so any more; although the constitutional requirement for a prime minister to be a maronite christian continues.

Cheers.

Akcheema
If we go by the figures that you have presented i.e.there were sizeable miniorities and in some places majorities till recently,it becomes easy to jump to the conclusion that muslims were decent rulers and they let the minorities prosper regardless of the ecnomic motives for doing so.Personally i believe muslims were less deamonical than the rest.

Re: # 23
Why don't you look our your neighbours... Pakistan and Bangladesh ( Sindh from 24% to 6% in 50 years, Bangladesh from 35% to 9% in 50/45 years...)....

Re: # 23
Why don't you look our your neighbours... Pakistan and Bangladesh ( Sindh from 24% to 6% in 50 years, Bangladesh from 35% to 9% in 50/45 years...)....

Re: # 23
Why don't you look our your neighbours... Pakistan and Bangladesh ( Sindh from 24% to 6% in 50 years, Bangladesh from 35% to 9% in 50/45 years...)....

Re: # 25; treetop

I totally agree with you. Minorities existed peacefully UNTIL the newfound puritanistic Islamism came into play.

With regards to the figure produced by "nkg"; I am sorry they are completely flawed. There was mass exodus at partition on BOTH sides which caused the respective populations to drop, again on BOTH sides.

There are hardly any sizeable populations of "native" Punjabi Muslims in Indian Punjab; those who may be there have come to live from other states and are NOT native Punjabis.

My family themselves have migrated from Gurdaspur; many didn't make it.

Cheema sahib,

Re: 29

You sound like my old pal YLH.

In Pak, The minority population was decimated not only in Punjab but also in NWFP/B'stan and even Sindh and East Bengal have shown similar trends. Whereas in India, minority population has grown in all states since 1951 Census and nowhere was the Muslim population decimated except in East Punjab.

Regards

Sad to see this kind of gibberish...

This fellow is unable to look at the region he comes from...instead he has the same old rubbish about spain and turkey...

Islam in south asia has been definitely violent and hegemonic. Where is the hindu and sikh minority of afghanistan today???? Where did they go? Do you know that when indian TV programs are broadcast in Afghanistan, they have to erase scenes of hindu workship from the shows, just like pornography? This is islamic tolerance...

How come the 3000-year old hindu/buddhist culture of north-west india has totally ended?? Not a single shred survives other than some poor farmers and workpeople in Sindh.

Violence and imperialism are closely allied with Islamic explansion. The prophet himself provided some "violent short-cuts" in his behavior with people who rejected his point of view. This was further exploited by warlords who easily used the prospect of loot and exploitation of conquered territories as part of islamic conquest. "Islam khatre mein hain" has been used as a violent and bigoted tool against non-muslims again and again in south asia.

Until educated muslims understand this, as for example, educated christians understand the horrors of the crusades and inquisition, and educated hindus the horrors of caste exploitation, we will not make much progress. But this silly Murad fellow, yapping about regions and areas he knows nothing about, is not someone to enlighten us.

If you really want to talk about tolerance, start with your hometown. How many buddhist, hindu and sikh temples are there? What is their condition? How visible are these minorities? Have their numbers grown or shrunk in the last 50 years??

Re: # 29
Another tolerant islam...Kashmiri Pundits....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmiri_Pandits